Flav wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2017 at 12:44am:

I stand by my statement.

But we could use some additional perspective: Earth sundering events are fairly commonplace.

harharharhar wrote on Jun 1^st, 2017 at 2:22pm:

Also looking at 2d8 quarterstaves. What are handwraps these days, two-handed as well?
Even 5[W] falchions would receive a solid +20 base damage just from [W] increase.

Frank wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2017 at 2:25am:

harharharhar wrote on Jun 1^st, 2017 at 2:22pm:




shhhh

gibbon wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2017 at 1:33pm:


It is my understanding that it is just using spell power.  Not actually changing the damage type of the spell.  Also, FvS don't get domains.  Only Clerics do.  So you'd have to multi-class to get the AoV benefits.

Metal-Beast wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2017 at 3:27pm:


If you want melee cleric - War Domain.  No other option.
If you want nuker - Fire or Sun Domain.   Best possible light and fire spell power with 8+ useful SLA's in a rotation.
If you want DC caster - Knowledge or Law domain.  Offers ability to have +5 in one school with +3 in all schools DC's with +13 spell pen OR +7 in one school and +5 in all schools DC's with +3 spell pen.  Maybe Death Domain if you want to just be a Necro DC caster.  You get +6 in Necro DC, but +0 in other schools and +3 spell pen.  Is weaker in pure casting, but the SLA's and Turn feature are nice and might offset that for you.

Magic, Earth, and Good are nice for flavor/niche builds that do one thing well and are fun to play, but won't be the most powerful options.  Same with Destruction Domain.  Weaker than War domain for melees, but a Barb/Cleric Sylvanus Maul build that can rage and cast is interesting and fun idea.  Not everything is about pure DPS or DC's.  Fun can be had in many ways and the game isn't challenging enough to require a totally max build.

Some nice person did this so you don't have to pass your dc v. anal leakage just to read them:

http://ddowiki.com/page/Domain

Metal-Beast wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2017 at 4:51pm:


Folks on the forums are going ape shit over it.

Here is the summary:

Camp 1: 
You are nerfing TU into a positive energy burst.  This will suck in epics and legendary where HP are bloated to high hell.

Camp 2:
The Death Domain provides the insta-kill feature with a better DC.  AND the damage burst.  This is superior.  All other domains are getting a different use for TU in addition to the positive energy burst.  One that has synergy with the Cleric's primary build goals.

Camp 1:
Yeah, but that forces me into death domain if I want to use Turn Undead to destroy Undead.  I can't use other domains.  I have to build for Turn Undead now.  It pigeonholes my build.   

Camp 2:
On live, you have to build for Turn Undead already.  You must invest in Charisma and Gear and PL's.  So you still have to do that here.  This is not that different.  On live right now if you don't build for Turn Undead, it just sucks and is useless.  In the new stuff, if you don't want to build for turns, your turns are still useful in a way that has synergy with your build.  And your turns still do some decent damage to undead.  So it has two uses whereas on live it has zero usefulness if you don't build for TU.  This is a buff to a larger number of builds.

Camp 1:
Yeah, but building for Turn Undead to work is not mutually exclusive with max DC's or being a melee cleric.  I can get the necessary charisma and still max wisdom or strength.  So, I am more limited with this new system.  It is a nerf.

Camp 2:
Yes.  That is different.  So you are losing some stuff and gaining some stuff.  On the whole, most clerics will be gaining.  it isn't really a nerf or a buff.  Just different. 

Camp 1:  Bullshit.  Turn Undead is an iconic class feature.  it is unique to Cleric and Pally.  It should work for all clerics, not just ones in the death domain.  This homogenizes the classes and reduces the uniqueness and flavor.  It sucks. 

Niether camp is right or wrong, per se.  I'd prefer a different solution than the one SSG gave us, personally.  But I'm not as passionately opposed to it as some of those in Camp 1.

would this qualify as a breach of the NDA

Asheras wrote on Jun 2^nd, 2017 at 3:57pm:


Patience

Flameless wrote on Jun 1^st, 2017 at 8:10am:


thanks for this, some interesting build options.  at first glance i'm partial to the knowledge domain