Melee DPS is still the highest sustained single target DPS.  On Reaper 10 you will want some of that.  The groups that I have seen use a couple different tactics:

1)  The "cheese" way is to use charms heavily.  Charm half the mobs and let them beat on each other.  They aren't debuffed, so they hit way harder than you.  In lower levels, dominating a single carnage reaper can allow you to waltz through a dungeon. 

2)  The old school epics tactics.  Heavy use of CC - Holds, etc.  Instakills where you can.  Have one (or maybe two) melee that can beat the crap out of helpless CC mobs. 

Party makeup:

2-3 CC Warlocks/Wizards
2 Ranged builds
1 melee DPS
(if only 2 CC casters, last spot can be whatever.  Divine, another caster, another ranged, another melee.  I'd prefer a 3rd ranged or 3rd caster.  Heals are handled by cocooning each other and using heal scrolls.  Everyone has Wand and Scroll mastery, except maybe the melee DPS.  That with some heal amp is plenty fine.)

As for prepping, get reaper tree XP as a core focus of your TRing.  More so than the actual TR's you are getting.  It will add a ton of HP to all your characters.

Dc casting dominates r10. Any video of r10 will highlight just how important CC and insta-killing is.

welcome back.

Ranged DPS and CC, done deal ...... tanks, uhm lol 

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Wipe wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 5:09pm:

Wizza and Rys have tons of quests on r10 with some combination of a DC sorc, DC wiz, and a Monkcher?

Runs not rubs.  Typing in phone.

Rys and Wizza are just photoshoppers trying to act cool on the forums >.> nothing to see there

You can find 5 other people to make a full group? Lol.. ya right..

WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 7:28pm:


Wasn't Monkcher nerfed to nothingness? Or arrow of Slaying still works on shuris?

So basic facts in reaper:

-Dedicated CC is mandatory
-Insta-killing is STRONG because DPSing down trash is just a non-starter. It takes forever and because CC effects don't last super long in r10, being able to thin out a group very quickly is valuable
-Tanks work if they are min-maxed to shit (everyone has to be min-maxed and focus only on what their role is supposed to be)
-Debuffs are effective because their penalty applies before reaper/dungeon scaling, e.g. the -25 damage provided from Purification stacks can actually translate to several hundreds point of damage.
-Ranged DPS don't have any serious advantage in a party with good CC, healing, and debuffs

So if I had the ability to craft the perfect party:

1. Enchantment-based Sorcerer.
-Chosen over Wizard because faster casting and lower cooldowns
-Using T5 harper because savant trees literally provide nothing useful when you're just DC casting (T5 Air for Wind Dance is fine over the +1 to DCs)
-Spells beyond the usual stuff like Mass Hold and Finger: Wave of Exhaustion, Crushing Despair, Ray of Enfeeblement, and Solid Fog to debuff bosses

2. Necro-based FvS
-Focuses on healing but throws around Destruction/Implosion when able
-Very specifically takes Rebuke Foe in Exalted Angel. This is why FvS is preferred over Cleric, because you need to be focused on healing and Archon will build Endless Ardor stacks for you.
-FvS is also chosen because Aura of Menace aids the DC abilities of the party members.
-also uses T5 harper because T5 AoV doesn't have anything useful
-Spells beyond the usual stuff: Symbol of Weakness to debuff bosses

3. Tank. Idk what the meta is for tank builds. Just a tank. Doesn't have to do anything but tank.

4. Unarmed Monk
-Provides debuffs Jade Strike (+10% damage vulnerability) Knock on the Sky (-20% damage) on bosses
-Provides good DPS and some CC

5/6. 2x max-DC Assassins
-Their single-target DPS is about on par with everything else (Sneak Attack is not penalized as much as other sources of damage) (I could be wrong that they're on par, I know they were at least decent damage before taking into account reaper mechanics, at the very least they're not bad DPS)
-They provide more insta-kills
-In Shadowdancer for higher Assassinate DC. Not a horrible loss in DPS compared to Dreadnought when you consider that Blitz will be unreliable, Shadowdancer provides 6d6 SA damage which is, again, scaled lower; and Shadowdancer Capstone provides another damage multiplier
-Can also get traps which can be obnoxious with r10's very long death timer

Other notes:
-EVERYONE except the DC caster takes Interrogation or Purge the Wicked (the t1 ability in Divine Crusader,) and at least one person takes Crusade+Consecrated Ground
-Someone with a source of Vulnerability is absolutely required
-Everyone should have Enervate Scrolls as they are the highest DPS in some situations

Total damage multiplier: 1.25 (5x stacks of Rebuke Foe) * 1.2 (20 stacks of Vulnerability) * 1.1 (Jade Strike) * 1.1 (Crusade) * 1.05 (Shadowdancer Capstone) = 1.91
Total damage debuff: -25 (Purification) + -11 average (Ray of Enfeeblement+Wave of Exhaustion+Crushing Despair+Solid Fog) + -9 average (Symbol of Weakness) = -45 damage before reaper/dungeon scaling, and then another -20% due to Knock on the Sky

Debuffing may warrant more testing, but I've gotten pretty amazing results (cutting damage in half, reducing some boss damage to *zero*) in some content.

Rubbinns wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 12:49pm:


I’ve watched Rys’ R10 vids.  I was kinda surprised that a 82 Necro and 75 Enchantment DC were so effective at instaskills and charming, but it got the job done.  As much as Deep Gnome is attractive for ~100 DC PKs, it looks like the DC metagame is Necro/Enchantment especially with Ravenloft on the horizon.

WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 7:28pm:


Is the U36 monkcher still a 14 Monk/6 Ranger using shurikens but DWS T5 now? Trying to wrap my head around whether bows+AA are worth a damn in R10. Quick calcs say I can get mid-80s Enchantment DCs for Paralyzing Arrow ghetto CC.

WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2017 at 1:59am:

hydra wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2017 at 12:01am:


More strong reasons why I’m steering away from melee DPS. With a Kensei T5 and Shadow Veil template for max avoidance, getting to 200 PRR with current gear isn’t possible even after a huge TR investment.  Theorycrafting 130 DC Dire Charge seems sexy though.

Bigjunk wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 3:02pm:

Antagonizing Shade on the forums was always a fun diversion.

Skrilla wrote on Jul 21^st, 2017 at 10:13pm:

BYOG. We met playing DDO then drifted off to other games. It’s our “putting the band back together” Blues Brothers moment, and DDO is the huge trainwreck of police cars at the end of the movie.

EDIT: typos

Carpone wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2017 at 9:28am:


you won the internet