Just seen your latest whinge for nerfing a class - in this case those nasty insta-killers making you feel as if you're losing your manhood  As usual, the other anus droolers have come out in support of you so here's a message to you and idiots like you ....

It's a fucking PvE game you fuckwit, kill count means jack shit. Stop calling for fucking nerfs every other weak because you clowns are getting butthurt. For fucks sake it's annoying and childish.


Here's the link for anyone wanting to read this bullshit and lower your IQ in doing so - https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/489003-Balancing-Instant-Kill-spells-i...

If you're sitting in the front of the bus, you're less likely to understand the guy in the back, sitting over the wheel well complaining about the flat tire under him.  Everything is great from where you're sitting, but that doesn't change the fact there are some serious fucking flat tires on this shared ride.

Instant kills for melee are random with the dice roll - if you even have them at all.  Anything else is just a boost to power a comes with either

A - a much longer cool down than 6 seconds if it gives much of a power boost at all or
B - a very limited usage per rest cycle.

If melees had a clickie on scale with finger of death it would have at least a 30 second cool down period with 5 max usages per rest - which is a far fucking cry from 6 seconds and chugging a pot to get (near) unlimited usage like you can get from most of the higher end spells.

Crying to let the air out of other tires might not be cool, but it doesn't change the fact that some of us have a way cushier ride than others.

The problem is, him and his ilk only whinge because of kill count. If melee imbalance in reaper really was the priority, the thread would make no mention of kill counts and wah wah, those nasty insta killers. You know it's true.


Metal-Beast wrote on Aug 17^th, 2017 at 11:33am:


and therein lies the rub, all the nerf whinge in the world is only going to lead to inflation of some aspect until the next round of whinge

The forums get flooded with trolls during down time anyways.

Metal-Beast wrote on Aug 17^th, 2017 at 12:56pm:

Telling the truth != elitism.  He's right.   A large percentage of the players (not just melee) that join LFMs are mediocre players, running mediocre builds, or often both.  The top of the bell curve for DDO player skill in general is extremely wide.


Metal-Beast wrote on Aug 17^th, 2017 at 12:56pm:

Then obviously he wasn't talking about you.


Metal-Beast wrote on Aug 17^th, 2017 at 12:56pm:

At least at end-game and especially in reaper, any melee build that doesn't have options for some sort of crowd control and utility is a stupid build.  Ditto for any glass cannon melee builds that can't take more than 1 or 2 hits without dying. If they don't have proper defenses, Dire Charge, LGS Radiance and Salt weapons, etc., they deserve to wait around while people who know what they're about handle things.   Maybe they'll actually learn something from watching.


Metal-Beast wrote on Aug 17^th, 2017 at 12:56pm:

This is complete horseshit.  I've done many 10-skull runs in a fairly static group with several melee DPS players.  They bring the pain constantly and don't die any more than the ranged or casters.  There's a guy on G-Land running a melee build who pseudo-soloed 5-6 skull at-level missions on a regular basis.  He used a divine hireling as needed to top off his health after killing the mobs as a work around for the self-healing penalty.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9WSOa9vrpw
10-skull Black and Blue run with a tank, a healer, a wizard, and 3 melee DPS.  Feel free to watch and see if you think those melee were carried.  Regardless of what KC does or doesn't mean, the melee players didn't get a total of 151 of the 250 kills by not doing physical damage and being carried...

Maybe you should try a lower difficulty?


Metal-Beast wrote on Aug 17^th, 2017 at 12:56pm:

The effective range of an excuse is zero meters.

Wipe wrote on Aug 17^th, 2017 at 11:45am:

Miss your hjeals.

Melee is the best dps you can hope for in some scenarious and fucking garbage elsewhere.
Given that a Shuri thrower is probably 60% of thier dps if built correctly (due only to reaper debuff formulas) then playing a melee you can only die once every three minutes, if ranged is not dying at all.

Asheras wrote on Aug 18^th, 2017 at 10:27am:

Not bad.

In particular, the ideas regarding the caster tree and DCs would help a lot I think.

I disagree a bit with stating that melee need more DPS.  Melee are the best DPS you can get in high-skull reaper.  Melee builds problem in reaper is how to stay alive while standing near mobs that cleave for 4k+.  As the saying goes, Dead = 0 DPS.

What SSG should do create a fourth reaper tree by splitting melee and ranged tree into separate trees.  Give melee lots of HPs, PRR/MRR, Dodge Cap, tactical DCs, etc.   This would help them survive while doing their existing top-tier DPS.

Give the Ranged tree little or no extra defenses (restrict them to glass cannons essentially) and give them ranged power, stats, doubleshot, etc. to help mitigate the excessive damage mitigation penalty they face versus melee.  Ranged DPS is noticeably lower in mid and high skull reaper, but at least intelligently played ranged toons can generally stay alive and do consistent DPS.  This would reward intelligent play and keep ranged toons from becoming second-class DPS vs melee if the melee are buffed to the point where they can survive.

Digimonk wrote on Aug 17^th, 2017 at 1:29pm:

That's not what he said though, his statement was an unqualified:

"Most melee are way too retarded. Always have."

I won't get into the grammar issues here, but that's about as dismissive as a blanket statement gets, no matter how you choose to interpret the connotation.

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Yes he was. See above.

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In a perfect world, this is correct.

But we live in a world where Cordovan has a full-time job and an intern is the brightest point of light in the dev team.
 
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Isn't that kind of the definition of "Glass Cannon"? Also, this would fall under the umbrella of "stupid builds". See above.

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Back to the Elitism.

Awesome.

You may be surprised to learn that not everyone in the game gets on board with features early and has the BiS gear for their build.

You may also be surprised to learn that even if they did, they can still get killed like helpless lambs through no fault of their own. See "Top of the Bell Curve" above.

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They'll quickly learn they're better off playing a caster or ranged toon. This was the case with non-Evasion melee builds before the "Armor Up" PRR/MRR pass in times of yore.

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Pictures or it didn't happen.

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So... Melee requires more assistance. Roger that.

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tl; dr. I'm sure it's great.

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So... A well balanced party with Tank, CC and Hjeals? Sounds like a recipe for anyone to enjoy success.

My 28 pt. first life gimps lead kill counts in parties like that back in the day. That's the "Promised Land" of party support, which is not what we're discussing.

The Quarterback shines because the line is great at blocking.

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It's all I ever do. Anyone trying to grind Reapers at higher skulls is "Pants on Head Reatrded", IMHO.

There's no ROI after the first 120% XP bonus, and the game is set for TR, not to hang around at level 30 running... How many quests at level cap are there again?

This could quickly deteriorate into a squabble over DDO's lack of end-game, but like you said earlier, we're just telling the truth here.

You may feel differently. That's your prerogative.

But Reaper effectively split the player base in a game with a dying population and now they need to fix their mess, because practically nobody runs outside Reaper anymore, whether they want to or not.

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The grade on a poorly reasoned argument without citation and quantified evidence is an F.

Digimonk wrote on Aug 18^th, 2017 at 12:24pm:


The problem with this is twofold:

1)  Very few people like significant power in the reaper trees.  That creates another grind.  And the back end of the reaper grind is crazy.  People would prefer this power to exist in other ways.

2)  If you don't limit people to only one tree, then the ranged will go into the melee tree like the casters do now with Grim Barricade.  Most casters I know are maxxing out Grim first before putting points into Dire Thau when leveling because HP > DC's for the most part.  Ranged will give up the small DPS boosts for big survivability boosts in Grim and melee tree most likely.  You either need to limite players to 1 tree or something else.  Otherwise, everyone chases the HP.  Good luck finding a way to keep the ranged or casters away from the HP/defensive boosts.  Not that I care that much about casters or ranged having them as long as the melees get them.  The goal here is to make melee more viable.  I'd prefer to do it without also buffing casters and ranged, but if they get a buff out of it too, I really don't care. 

Although, I'm not sure what you can do to prevent death from 4k+ cleaves.  You can't jack HP up that high.  Part of that is a playstyle issue.  Melees can't charge in on R8-R10 and face tank trash mobs.  They have to wait and let the casters or ranged hold/command/paralyze,stone,etc stuff first or use their own CC, like Dire charge, trip, stun, etc. 

Asheras wrote on Aug 18^th, 2017 at 3:12pm:

For the record, this sort of expectation is what's wrong with the entitled whiners on the motherboards.  Of course you don't charge into a horde of trash mobs on R10.  That's just stupid, regardless of the build. 

You wait for your crowd controller to lay down disco ball, sleet storm, etc., then your tank pulls the horde into that while the cleric heals them and the crowd controller works on mass holds, etc.  At the same time, melee should be dire charging the mobs that have moved into the sleet storm, etc. to help with the initial lock downs and any mobs that resist disco, hold, etc.  The ranged and dps casters are sniping the archers, champs and reapers during that time. 

When done properly, virtually all the threat to your melee DPS is eliminated in the first 5-10s and then they are free to go nuts with DPS.  That's how you do R10.

Really funny.

Ive said it many times, in a game wout pvp there is no real competition nor ballance nor will it ever exist.
The most efficient way to play ddo is to pick the most op fotm and just roll with it.
No point to be attached to a specific class, only makes you miserable when you group and see how useless you are.
Nerfing or buffing wont change shit, they need to add a pvp system and focus from there.
(im quite enjoying bns pvp even tho i massively suck at it)

This guy's an idiot, I'm more than happy to get 1 kill or none at all and be in someone's inventory until the end of a quest to get resurrected for the end reward and free xp. Fuck the kill count!