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Jan 14th, 2018 at 5:41pm
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theory crafting:
This build takes advantage of the tier5 enhancement tree in archmage with arcane supremacy and master of knowledge, but its based off of immolation. (Which is in the fire savant tree which deals up to 20d6 burning damage on each fire damage spell) 
And the fvs is just for increased spell crit chance and more spell points.


12sorcerer/5wiz/3fvs

Str : 8
dex: 6
con: 20 (level ups here)
Intel: 16
wis: 6
Cha: 16 (14 if 32 point build)

Order of classes doesn't matter, as long as you take advantage of the extra wizard feats properly (Mental toughnessess/metas)

Feat progression:
1: Maximize
3: Empower
6: Quicken
9: Completionist/Toughness/wizard past life
12: Insightful reflexes
15: Force of personality
18: Adamantine armor
Extra Wiz feat 1: Mental toughness
Feat 2: Improved mental toughness

Epic feats: 21,24,27,30
21: Wellspring of power
24: Master of knowledge
27:Ruin
30: Greater Ruin

ED feats: 26,28,29
26: arcane pulse
28: Spell power focus: Fire
29: Hellball (Its a personal preference, this or Guardian angel, or epic spell focus: repair )

Legendary feats:
30: Scion of the plane of fire

Warforged/Bladeforged
Enhancement breakdown:
Archmage (35) for arcane supremacy and arcane blast
Fire savant (23) for immolation+fire crit IV
Favored soul (12) T3 smiting (spell crit)

Last 10 points dont matter that much, but you can take more efficient metamagics, or even go bladeforged and get
a 2nd reconstruct for more survivability. (if you wanna pay for a heart of wood)

Damage of immolation breakdown:
20d6 fire damage>[(20+120)/2]=most probable number is 70
Assuming 900 spell power (which will increase while fully stacked but I wont include it for this calculation)
70x10=700 base damage
Now the crits
6% from fvs
4% from archmage
8% from fire savant
5% from magical training
3% from all the mental toughness feats
9% from the energy criticals epic past life feat
29% from burnscar sash
10% from empyrean magic
10% exceptional from revalia
5% insight from golden orb

89% spell crit chance

Assuming only 100% crit damage=1400
1400x.89=1246
700x.11=77
1246+77=1323 MPN

But with the legendary greensteel, arcance supremacy, master of knowledge, it goes up quite a bit.
As far as I know, the critical damage multipliers stack multiplicitively (since I have not made this build yet so dont judge me Tongue )
Legendary green steel=1.2x1.1x1.05=1.386
Master of knowledge=1.6
Arcane supremacy=2.0
Scion of the plane of fire=1.2
Night horrors buff=1.25
Wellspring of power=1.2
Red fens spell crit multiplier=1.5 (I don't think the spell crit chance stacks, needs testing)
base crit=2.0
All multiplied=23.95008 (Unsure if rounding counts, will include vulnerability in the end)
700x23.95008  =16,765
over 100% chance to crit even while arcane supremacy is active soooo
16,765x1.00=16,765
700x.00=0
16,765+0=16,765 if 20 stacks of vulnerability=20,118

all multiplied except night horrors,arcane supremacy, and wellspring of power=7.98336

So now the new, more consistent calculation
700x  7.98336   =  5,588
   5,588   x.89=  4,973
700x.11=77
77+4973=5050 MPN (before vulnerability)

Scorching ray breakdown:
(4d3+12) per ray, looks like it is always capped at 3 sadly.
MPN is 20 for the base spell damage, and still assuming 900 fire spell power: 200 per ray.
Sooo with a 23.95008 multiplier it gets nice
4,790 per ray.  X3=14,370

But with  7.98336  multiplier=1,596   
1,596x.89=1420
200x.11= 22
1420+22=1442 Most probable number.  1442x3 = 4,326
Per scorching ray spell cast.

So combined with the mpn with immolation, with all  buffs 20,118 + 14,370 =  34,488

And without
5,050 + 4,326 = 9,376




I forgot to mention but immolation triggers every 2 seconds and each time it is reapplied the damage immediantly goes off.

Rotating this with magic missiles, scorching ray, greater ruin, ruin, hellball, energy burst, master of knowledge stackers. it'd seem like a nice dps build.  (but obviously more geared for single target dps)

EDIT: fixed multipliers
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Reply #1 - Jan 15th, 2018 at 12:10am
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new raid scepter gives 20% fire crit and 50 fire power.

orb of death 5%

noble robe 10%

35% extra right there
  

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Rubbinns wrote on Jan 15th, 2018 at 12:10am:
new raid scepter gives 20% fire crit and 50 fire power.

orb of death 5%

noble robe 10%

35% extra right there


Shit you're right.  Guess that means you shouldn't go warforged then.
  

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Ive got like.. 50 hearts.. and a mule up for the task, just no gear on her ;c
  
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Reply #4 - Jan 15th, 2018 at 3:32am
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froggy wrote on Jan 15th, 2018 at 1:54am:
Shit you're right.  Guess that means you shouldn't go warforged then.

the docent is is also 10%. I have the scepter and the robes as well, and they all stack atm. my shiradi goes from 66% fire to 86% with scepter buff.
  

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Reply #5 - Jan 15th, 2018 at 5:35am
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Rubbinns wrote on Jan 15th, 2018 at 12:10am:
new raid scepter gives 20% fire crit and 50 fire power.

orb of death 5%

noble robe 10%

35% extra right there


What new scepter from raid? nothing at all listed in either of the raids remotely close to a sceptre..

Unless you are confusing Sceptres with Clubs again? -

Echo of the Tome Insightful 5%/Golden Orb of Death Insightul 5%//Silver Libram Insightful 2%
Nobles Regalia Exceptional 10%
CLUB, Spiral Voice of Elemnts - 20 Exceptional

You say the buff stacks, so im wondering if its actually an Artifact bonus, instead of Exceptional?, either way. 12 second buff, with 36 second downtime in between (12 seconds per element, 4 elements total)

Not sure which docent has the same buff as the robe tho.. so.. yeah
This one gives Exceptional 3% - Fine Regalia

Im wondering if SSG fucked up on the docent, since the none-legendary has the same Spell Power/Lore buffs.. or, its been fixed in game, just not on wiki?
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Reply #6 - Jan 15th, 2018 at 10:19am
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Vendui wrote on Jan 15th, 2018 at 5:35am:
been fixed in game, just not on wiki?



Vendui wrote on Jan 15th, 2018 at 5:35am:
confusing Sceptres with Clubs again?

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Reply #7 - Jan 15th, 2018 at 5:35pm
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You know that immolation to Triggers on fire spells, right? Not magic missiles rtx
  
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Reply #8 - Jan 15th, 2018 at 9:17pm
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SpaceGoat wrote on Jan 15th, 2018 at 5:35pm:
You know that immolation to Triggers on fire spells, right? Not magic missiles rtx

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froggy wrote on Jan 15th, 2018 at 9:17pm:
scorching ray


Yes and? How are you going to get 20 stacks of them up?
  
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Reply #10 - Jan 15th, 2018 at 9:27pm
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I like the innovations, but something like ruin Kong might be better since so much of your dps comes from immolation which is hard for you to stack. You’ll need the fire cloud spell too
  
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SpaceGoat wrote on Jan 15th, 2018 at 9:27pm:
I like the innovations, but something like ruin Kong might be better since so much of your dps comes from immolation which is hard for you to stack. You’ll need the fire cloud spell too


You'll be taking greater ruin as well Smiley  and with the efficient metamagics as well.  ruin does have a timer on it soooo spam mm and scorching ray while on cd Smiley
  

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Yes and? How are you going to get 20 stacks of them up?

1.5 second cooldown
  

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Vendui wrote on Jan 15th, 2018 at 5:35am:
Not sure which docent has the same buff as the robe tho.. so.. yeah
This one gives Exceptional 3% - Fine Regalia


The docent has the same crit chance as the robe  (10%) but was incorrectly released with the heroic number (and fixed in one of the subsequent patches or hotfixes).

Some undoubtedly well-intentioned idiot appears to have created a wiki page using the (old) number that was known to be wrong without bothering to note that it was scheduled to be (and was) fixed.
  
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froggy wrote on Jan 16th, 2018 at 2:09am:
1.5 second cooldown


Didn’t one of posters above say it removes the taxis when it ticks?

But yeah, if yor main focus is immolation it won’t wkrk as well. You’re be better off without 12 sorc
  
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Focus on a regular shiradi, a fvs bb splash or one of the ruin king variants
  
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SpaceGoat wrote on Jan 16th, 2018 at 12:10pm:
Focus on a regular shiradi, a fvs bb splash or one of the ruin king variants


favored soul blade barrier splash?  lol.
and yes, it takes ruin and greater ruin.  So you'll still get good juicy ruins.
  

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Reply #17 - Feb 6th, 2018 at 2:15am
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Gear list:

Docent - Legendary Memory of Fine Regalia (Beacon)
Belt - Legendary burnscar sash (Beacon)
Gloves - Blurfingered gloves (Beacon)
Goggles - Legendary Garstones (Adherants)
cloak -  Legendary Mantle of fury (Adherants)
Bracers - Legendary bracers of the fallen hero (Adherants)
Ring 1 - Legendary deathwarden (Adherants
Ring 2 - Legendary ring of nightfall (Adherants)
Trinket - Legendary cursebane focus (No set bonus)
feet - Legendary Greensteel (Fire crit damage)
Helm - Epic elder's cap (Elders knowledge)
Necklace - Epic Elder's focus (Elders knowledge)
Main hand - Spiral
Odd hand - Golden orb of death


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Alternate option, gets rid of adherants set bonus, but gets some better things slotted.

Docent - Legendary Memory of Fine Regalia (Beacon, exceptional 10% spell crit, +20 exceptional spell power, 202 fort)

Belt - Legendary burnscar sash (Beacon, 29% crit chance)

Gloves - Blurfingered gloves (Beacon, Maximize 2, lesser displacement, +31 mystic diversion)

Goggles - Legendary greensteel (Fire crit damage)

cloak -  Legendary Mantle of fury (+19 dodge and con)

Bracers - Legendary bracers of the fallen hero (Insightful con 9, Quality prr +12)

Ring 1 - Legendary Slavers ring(Sheltering/Resistance/skills/quality con 4)

Ring 2 - Legendary Chieftane (Spell saves)  (can save a feat with force of personality)

Trinket - Epic gem of many facets (Elder's knowledge)

feet - Legendary Shackles (Wizardry 371/Force cirt chance 27%/ Quality mrr 11)

Helm -  Legendary panosonic circlet (Magical Efficiency 10%, Potency +131, Insightful Potency +65, Quality Potency +15, Green Augment Slot

Necklace - Epic Elder's focus (Elder's knowledge)

Main hand - Spiral, 12 second 20% crit chance and 50 spell power buff, 208 Fire spell power, +36 implement bonus

Odd hand - Golden orb of death, 5% insightful spell lore, 20% elemental absorption

+50 from beacon of magic set bonus

Spell power from items : 394
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Sorc: 40 fire savant core + 25 conflagration
Favored soul: 30 scourge, 1 angel of vengeance core
Wiz: 2 archmage core + 10 traditionalist spellcaster+ 150 (Maximize, lower SP cost)

Enhancements: 258
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+20 empyrean magic
+40 scion of the plane of fire
+10 Shiradi core
+15 Fey form
+60 epic power (Auto granted at 30)
+90 mental honing buff
+50 spellcraft

Epic stuff:285
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Total: 937


Currently I have 831 and thats without maximize, and all of the building buffs so I must be missing something.
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Reply #18 - May 17th, 2018 at 8:49pm
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Running a fire sorc right now for fun.  Unfortunately scorching ray ony adds one stack of immolation.  As a matter of fact every fire spell only adds one stack including if they take multiple tics of dmg from firewall.

Despite this, I still like immolation and fire sorc in general.  The dmg is pretty dang good and the new changes to awaken elemental weakness (or whatever it's called) have made it much less punishing to be a fire specialist since you can now take away fire immunity.

With sla fireball/fireball/scorch/fireball/scorching ray/burning hands/et cetera you can add about 2 stacks a second of immolation. I rarely even get it up to 20 stacks as bosses have already melted.
  
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