Game freezes all the time = problem solved!

Asheras wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 9:50am:


Aye, and.. god forbid i fucking say this.. but, that Kylstream dude is spot on with the ranged portion of the debate. Unless you had Shot on the Run, you were just like any melee swinging their axes, stuck on spot. The moment they changed that, Ranged became significantly better, in Ranged vs Melee encounters. They still get slaughtered by casters though. Im not sure what the fuck this strafing bullshit is they both going on about.. unless its that.. but that only affected the speed at which you could swing at, not the ability to dodge hits.

Asheras wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 9:50am:


Even broken clocks are right once in a while.

Fran's just a fucking moron.

Rubbinns wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 10:16am:


They could alter the situation several ways: 

1)  Reduce RoF on ranged weapons while moving.  Thrown and Bow on the RoF.  Crossbow on the reload. 
2)  Reduce speed while firing and/or reloading.

They could offset this by adding feats (or buffing the existing shot on the run) to eliminate the penalties they add.  Thus making ranged building include more trade offs.

They could do the same thing with casting.  Either increase the casting time on casting while moving or slow you down (more than already).   And make it apply to casting while jumping.  To eliminate the jump casters who look like they are playing DDO in a bounce house.   

All of this does not need to be as drastic as 1/2 or 1/3rd of current movement speed.  I agree with Rubbinns that moving the pendulum too far the other way would be a huge negative.  That said, a smaller change (10-15%) that makes builds have more trade offs and creates more decision points in combat and makes it more skill based, would be OK.

HOWEVER: I would generally prefer that they fix the melee/ranged/caster imbalance at this point by improving what isn't working, rather than breaking what is. 

Bigjunk wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 11:20am:


As I said in the previous post, it depends on the degrees to which you move things.  Part of the problem has been the tendency to over compensate.

Large shifts in either direction are unwise, in my opinion. 

With melee, you also have the option of handing out more DPS, or more damage mitigation, or more recovery.   

Even within the category of damage mitigation you have temp HP, real HP, PRR, MRR, AC, Dodge, deflection, DR, Saves, Fortification, etc.   Then within enhancements, feats, gear, etc.  Classes, races, universal. 

Lots of ways to go.  All of which interact with builds and content differently.  And, the more you do it differently for different builds, the more you differentiate their play styles and pros and cons in a variety of content. 

I think it can be done.  But there are a NUMBER of cautionary tales from the past that should be heeded.  That doesn't mean that it can't be done at all.  Just not repeating mistakes of teh past.

Asheras wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 11:22am:



Havnt they already fucked ranged folks enough tho? Sure, we can Kite.. we also miss half our fucking shots, because some asshole thought it would be cool to give everything in the game Deflection.. At lvl 1, i swear i missed over 70 shots out of 100, because of deflection rolls.. like.. what the actual fuck..

I still love the movement in ddo.
It just makes sense on some wierd level.

Just got finished with a Witcher 3 playthrough and in that game the movement is properly balanced.
Things feel like they have weight. Your character takes a little bit of time to turn. There are no silly movement speed bonuses unless you get on a horse.

But...

...something is fun about the old FPS doom-style movement. People don't want reality in a fantasy and how movement interacts with your keyboard and mouse is very linear in DDO. In modern "real" games it is non-linear.

But my keyboard is a linear instrument, and the mouse is to for the most part...

WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 12:44pm:


Loved Witcher 3.  Think I managed to stretch out the game play for at least 4 months.  Way more balanced than Fallout 4 or Skyrim (both of which have such a short sweet spot of enjoyably challenging - you spend the first part underpowered, have a brief sweet spot of fun, then the rest is OP as fuck) and loved the immersion of the game overall.

Just doesn't have the same replay value as DDO though.  Some interesting character building options, but not nearly as much to get in there and play around with.  If it had a TR system that let you build in power and impossible gear to grind forever, I probably would have never stopped playing (plus, how much fun is Gwent?  Ignored it for the 1st month, but when I finally started building my decks, I got seriously addicted).

Skoodge wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 3:39pm:


I tried to start Fallout 4 over again saying to myself "I will not make a stealthy, sneaky sniper this time"... 20 hours later, I'm a stealthy, sneaky sniper.

Asheras wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 9:50am:

This is where you went wrong.  He doesn't think.  The end.  You should have said "Fran doesn't think." and stopped there.

Bigjunk wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 11:20am:

Balancing downwards leads to some players quitting.   SSG can ill afford to be driving away whatever customers they have left, for any reason.

The rest of the power gamers will just migrate to the next OP'd FotM build and contine business as usual.  In the end, not much will have changed aside from there being a few less players to group with and pay SSG and there being a few less viable build options for end-game.

Balancing upwards and downwards is fine if done in moderation, but as history shows, neither SSG nor the zealots on the official forums have any concept of moderation.

What the mobo mouthbreathers is that there's no such thing as perfect class balance in a game with the depth and variety of builds DDO has.   There will always be strong meta builds that have been min/maxed to the nth degree and there will always be flavor builds that are less powerfuly but that some people still enjoy playing for the variety.  The sooner people on both sides of the debate realize that, the sooner they can stop wasting time, effort and energy worrying about it and focus on more productive things like the multi-year backlog of bugs and fixing the fubarred codebase.

SpaceGoat wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 4:46pm:

Vendui wrote on Jan 22^nd, 2018 at 12:23pm:

LMFAO.

I called this before Ravenloft shipped.

Welcome to the new paradigm.

Also, Asheras is right: Buffing is better than nerfing, as galling as it may be.

There's a lot new players rolling around now, so to suddenly change game mechanics on them mid-stream would turn most of them off when the learning curve is already steep and retention is crucial for a declining player base.

Just accept the upward adjustment to X-builds and move on.

Or just roll gimps like I do.

It saves a lot of grief.