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Feb 6th, 2018 at 5:25pm
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Hello,

I know I don't post much but I quit sometime directly after the eveningstar release. Trying to catch up on all the content. Could anyone explain to me what I should be getting if I want to run "reaper" content? It seems like the new elite but I don't know how tweaked I need to be to be able to run anything. My most geared dude only has 3pl and 0epic pl and 0 racial pl. I'm just sort of looking for some good general builds/frameworks for continuing tr'ing or what gear to grind for tr'ing. From what I've read it seems cannith crafting is the shit so I'll have to grind that but I was really wondering about other things like Slavers, the newest expansion, level 30 builds.

Furthermore should I just server transfer to Orien? Lfms seem dead on Khyber when I run and Orien has a much larger pop.
  
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Reply #1 - Feb 6th, 2018 at 5:43pm
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I would suggest uninstalling. You were free, why would you come back?
  

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Epoch wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 5:43pm:
I would suggest uninstalling. You were free, why would you come back?



There was a hole in me I couldn't fill when I finished Divinity.
  
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Reply #3 - Feb 6th, 2018 at 6:11pm
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You only come back for Reaper? It is not worth it.
  

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Wig wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 5:25pm:
Could anyone explain to me what I should be getting

A friend. To knock some sense into you. We can't help you with that, though. Instead, there's Epoch. If you have any trouble following Epoch's advice, please don't hesitate to PM him with further questions.
  

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Reply #5 - Feb 6th, 2018 at 7:38pm
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I would just do racials. Start with r1/r2 and work your way up to higher.. crunch all your vendor loot for cannith essences. Get your crafting up. Then make some shit.

Do some heroic slaver runs for a day. And should be set with that. Then find a little named gear and weapons here and there.. most of what you missed is now garbage anyways.. its not hard to "catch up"..

Past lives/reaper pts are the only things that stay worth a shit.. almost all this ravenloft shit will be trash in a few months too.. so fuck grinding the epic shit.. do them racials with mostly crafted grar and a few named items depending on your build.. when youre done with racials in 6 to 9 months.. then start looking into end game gear.
  
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Reply #6 - Feb 6th, 2018 at 9:32pm
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Racial PL's give you the AP on the 3rd completion of each race. Epic and Iconic stack 3x with themselves. Doing 3 heroic and then 3 Epic/Iconic bounces you between different content a bit. I went after the PDK sprint boost first from Iconic and Fast Healing from Epic.
  
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Re: Returning after 5+ years, need advice
Reply #7 - Feb 6th, 2018 at 9:37pm
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Wig wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 6:09pm:
There was a hole in me I couldn't fill when I finished Divinity.


You think DDO will fill a hole left by Divinity?



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I hope I made my point.
  

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Reply #8 - Feb 6th, 2018 at 9:57pm
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It may not fill a hole, but at least it’s filled with a holes.

Seriously, though: quit playing.
  
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Reply #9 - Feb 6th, 2018 at 10:58pm
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Here's your advice - Wait 5 more years!
  

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Reply #10 - Feb 7th, 2018 at 10:10am
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When you're ready to stack up 1-20 past lives, buy the Slavers pack and the Ravenloft expansion.

Then grind out a 3-piece Beacon set, and 5-piece Adherent set, and a 5-piece Slaver's set.

Focusing on iconic and epic lives first is more bang for buck though.
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Reply #11 - Feb 7th, 2018 at 10:30am
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First:  After 5 years, as you can see, the Vault has a high population of disenfranchised folks. 

Second:  Yes, find a server that fits your play time.  Khyber is active during US peak times.  (6pm eastern - midnight eastern during the week).  But if you play off those hours, it is a bit more spartan.

Third:  You want 36 point build characters.  From there, past lives are helpful, but not required.   There are some "easy button" builds with low past life and gearing requirements.  Look in the builds section here for the shuriken thrower builds, warlock builds, or rogue x-bow builds.  Any of those will perform nicely in raiding or the typical elite/R1-R4 runs that are done with pugs.   Also, clerics recently got some nice new features and a strong cleric is always welcome in the group.  Since most loot (non-raid) is bta now days, you can build your gear this way.  And they can do more than heal.  You can make a strong DC casting version, a strong SLA version, and some of the best tanks are clerics/cleric multiclasses.

Fourth:  Gear is easier to get than ever.  Look into the cannith crafting on the wiki.  It is pretty easy to get involved with and you can make stuff that is more powerful than all but the named stuff from the last 5-6 updates.   It will get you to 85-90% of the power of most players pretty quickly.  And leveling it up to an effective level isn't too tough.   Ask for help, or people's random gen items from chests (so you can disjunct them for essences) and they will probably give them to you.  Most players are leaving them in chests.  For named stuff, hit slavers (which runs daily), hit Ravenloft, and hit Mines of Tethymar.  Run Baba, Strahd, and legendary shroud raids as often as you can. 

Best advice:  Don't worry about being behind or feeling overwhelmed about catching up.  Nobody cares if you don't have all the PL's or best gear and it doesn't really matter.  The more you play to have fun, the less likely you are to get burned out or all torqued up over shit.   




 
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Reply #12 - Feb 7th, 2018 at 10:44am
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Snu Snu wrote on Feb 6th, 2018 at 6:11pm:
You only come back for Reaper? It is not worth it.

Fuck you and YOUR FUN IS WRONG attitude.

@OP: I came back after 4 years for reaper.  It did not disappoint.  Yes, Cannith Crafting is the way to go for TRing.  More important than gear: Find people who share your attitude and play time.  Soloing your way through lives is a lonely existence.  If you're going to stay at cap, Ravenloft gear is OP. You'll still be running Slavers for a hat, and more Slavers if you're a DC caster.
  
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Reply #13 - Feb 7th, 2018 at 11:21am
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Asheras and 5fs pretty much hit all the points, but I'll add this:

Sharn Syndicate: They updated the items, so it's very good twink gear. You can't craft items that good at that level. It's worth grinding out a few runs, especially now, since you don't have to keep that family of suicidal freaks alive in Bookbinder.

Three-Barrel Cove: The items have some limited utility, but they are good when you need them at Lvl 5.

Red Fens: All these items got updated too. Not the worst thing in the world to have on hand.

You no longer need all the Sigil pieces for entrance into Litany of the Dead. Farm one completed Sigil and forget about it forever after. You can then keep the other sigil-frame to manage inventory of just pass pieces in the chest to people who want them.

Temple of Elemental Evil: While a running joke, has some decent named items and the crafted weapons are very good if you don't have Greensteel stockpiled from before. They are grindy to make however, since the devs didn't reduce their ingredient costs (like Slavers Gear) so your patience may be tested.

Like Asheras said, have some fun and don't stress too much... It's just a game.  Wink
  

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Reply #14 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 2:15pm
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Metal-Beast wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 11:21am:
Asheras and 5fs pretty much hit all the points, but I'll add this:

Sharn Syndicate: They updated the items, so it's very good twink gear. You can't craft items that good at that level. It's worth grinding out a few runs, especially now, since you don't have to keep that family of suicidal freaks alive in Bookbinder.

Three-Barrel Cove: The items have some limited utility, but they are good when you need them at Lvl 5.

Red Fens: All these items got updated too. Not the worst thing in the world to have on hand.

You no longer need all the Sigil pieces for entrance into Litany of the Dead. Farm one completed Sigil and forget about it forever after. You can then keep the other sigil-frame to manage inventory of just pass pieces in the chest to people who want them.

Temple of Elemental Evil: While a running joke, has some decent named items and the crafted weapons are very good if you don't have Greensteel stockpiled from before. They are grindy to make however, since the devs didn't reduce their ingredient costs (like Slavers Gear) so your patience may be tested.

Like Asheras said, have some fun and don't stress too much... It's just a game.  Wink


That litany change is pretty impressive.

Thanks for all the responses guys. Does anyone have any caster builds they'd recommend? Is it even worth making a caster? I'm kind of interested in warlocks but if they play like a melee I guess I'll skip over it.

With the cleric changes are FVS garbage tier now? Especially because I see you can get wings from epic destinies.
  
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Reply #15 - Feb 9th, 2018 at 6:51pm
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The only build you should be making is a bear build.

  
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Reply #16 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 5:02am
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Do whatever the fuck you want ? And "past lives grind" ? Jesus h christ, the amount of completionist tards that can't play for shit has really skyrocketed. Be more specific about the build or class you'd like to play perhaps. Any caster is great to have.
PM Rubbins, she's Vault contact on Orien.


Either that or Divinity 2 ?
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Reply #17 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 5:48am
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Wipe wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 5:02am:
PM Rubbins, she's a catfish on Orien.

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OP- Pretty much what everyone posted above. Cannith Crafting takes some time to level up unless you can get a hold of 50k~ essences, 1200 tp, and 30 minutes. In the meantime roll an iconic warlock. They're actually the best thing if starting out brand new. And warlocks can smash quests fresh out the box. Farm slavers and ravenloft for gear. They have BTA ML 8-10 items that can carry you to heroic cap. It's all the gear you will need while you work on your crafting levels.

  

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Reply #18 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 10:09am
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Metal-Beast wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 11:21am:
You no longer need all the Sigil pieces for entrance into Litany of the Dead. Farm one completed Sigil and forget about it forever after. You can then keep the other sigil-frame to manage inventory of just pass pieces in the chest to people who want them.



You no longer need all the Sigil pieces for entrance into Litany? False.

You only need to farm 1 complete Sigil per character, which will flag you on lives going forward.  Important distinction.
  
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Wig wrote on Feb 9th, 2018 at 2:15pm:
That litany change is pretty impressive.

Thanks for all the responses guys. Does anyone have any caster builds they'd recommend? Is it even worth making a caster? I'm kind of interested in warlocks but if they play like a melee I guess I'll skip over it.

With the cleric changes are FVS garbage tier now? Especially because I see you can get wings from epic destinies.


FvS is mostly a melee splash class.   FvS has the ability to do Wisdom to hit/damage or Cha to hit/damage with deity favored weapons if you have a majority of FvS levels.  It also has a Divine Might ability that can work off of Cha or Wis.

So, you will often see it in 12/13 FvS levels mixed with Fighter, Monk, Ranger, or Rogue or splashed with 1 or 2 levels into Dagger builds and high wisdom melee or ranged builds. 

But, until they release a 3rd tree and revamp AoV, the casting FvS is completely gimped compared to anything you can do with a cleric with the right domain.   
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Idk about Khyber but noone plays "melee fvs". Some newbs come up with useless gimps like archer fvs or sword and board "battle cleric" - mobos are spammed with such retarded ideas.

Otherwise, cleric or fvs casters rock the fuck out of high skulls or Ravenloft raids.
  
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Reply #21 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 1:14pm
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Carpone wrote on Feb 7th, 2018 at 10:44am:
Fuck you and YOUR FUN IS WRONG attitude.

@OP: I came back after 4 years for reaper.  It did not disappoint.  Yes, Cannith Crafting is the way to go for TRing.  More important than gear: Find people who share your attitude and play time.  Soloing your way through lives is a lonely existence.  If you're going to stay at cap, Ravenloft gear is OP. You'll still be running Slavers for a hat, and more Slavers if you're a DC caster.


Here here!

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Get hooked up with some friends after you cap up to 30. Do some of the raids on casual and enjoy your time. Do NOT take the game too seriously though or you will burn out. IGNORE the past-life grind monkeys. They're just burning their time. There's a ton of content to do before you sink your teeth into that void.

Finding people to play with is the #1 thing. It can be frustrating as fuck being solo, and you burn out wayyyy faster.
  

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Reply #22 - Feb 10th, 2018 at 4:42pm
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I'm pretty happy to hear that casters are in a good place right now because they're my favorite 'style'. I tr'ed yesterday into a warlock so I'll be slowly making my way to cap.

Thanks for the tips on slavers stuff I'll get one of my level 20 alts to get some gear for me.

Should I transfer to Orien or is there a good newb scene on Khyber as far as guilds go? I can't imagine I'm very good after not playing for so long.
  
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Reply #23 - Feb 11th, 2018 at 12:21am
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Wig wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 4:42pm:
? I can't imagine I'm very good after not playing for so long.


Whenever I take long breaks from the game, a year or two+, I just run some old quests (gwylans, tempest spine, other oldies but goodies that everyone farmed to death back in the old days). You will be amazed at how quickly the game comes back to you.
  

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I just read that the cat followed up by visiting the dog house later that night, dropping some Willie Pete in on the sleeping dog.  #epochsfamiliarFTW

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Wipe wrote on Feb 10th, 2018 at 12:53pm:
Idk about Khyber but noone plays "melee fvs". Some newbs come up with useless gimps like archer fvs or sword and board "battle cleric" - mobos are spammed with such retarded ideas.

Otherwise, cleric or fvs casters rock the fuck out of high skulls or Ravenloft raids.


The FvS part is just there for the Wisdom based Divine Might and/or the Wis to hit/damage.  It is very limited on builds.  Not saying they are FoTM level builds.  Nobody is mistaking them for a monk or shuri or xbow build.  But not everyone likes to play one of the 3-5 FoTM optimized builds.  I, personally, get bored on throwers.
  
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