I'm considering trying out the Scourge Aasimar and I want to try to make a good TWF Morningstar-wielding one.

The Scourge tree grants a Sacred +1 to Crit multiplier and Kensei grants +1 Competence bonuses to both Crit range and Crit multiplier.

My question is, does any other enhancement tree grant a +1 to Crit range that's not a Competence bonus?

As an aside, has anybody made a good TWF Scourge, yet? What splits are you using?

Right now, I'm considering either a 14Ftr/6Rngr split or some split like 8Ftr/6Rngr/6x. I don't know what the third class should be, though. Could be Cleric, FvS, Paladin, or even Barbarian.

5 Foot Step wrote on Mar 4^th, 2018 at 2:56pm:


Huh, funny you would say that...

There are some trees with temporary boosts, but, peramanently:

Swash gives +2 range, +1 mult on the light mace that is competence.  Most other melee trees offer the +1/+1.

Pick one of those,

Add in Improved Crit, and Overwhelming Crit, obviously.  Then use Dreadnaught to get Devastating Critical and Pulverizer (+1 insight bonus to threat range.)

I really like having at least 12 fighter levels.  Power Surge is really nice.  Especially if you have a 5 piece prowress set, as the Surges are action boosts with a different counter and cool down than your base ones.  75 MP (even just for 10 seconds) is really strong.  8 more uses of it is great.

I bagged on the ranger levels and only did 2.

6 Monk is an option for the Henshin MP.   And evasion if you are doing a pajama build.   You have enough feats to get the forms and, with Kensai you can be centered.    

7 FvS is an option.  The wisdom divine might plays well with the Scourge healing hands being wisdom based.   You get some buffs and heals (cure serious) and at level 7, it will yield an extra 70 heroic HP plus 100 more for your epic levels.  That's useful on a melee.

Cleric isn't a bad option, either, but the FvS feels better with the wisdom based divine might.  You need 9 cleric levels to get the domains to really make it work.  And that takes too much off the dps table.

Pally is an option, but a splash that just gets you divine might and LoH is all you need.   The combo of LoH and Healing Hands makes you unkillable in heroics (you will have like 12-15 uses combined and unless you are over R4, they still provide decent HP).   In epics, when adding in cocoon, it becomes crazy self healling for a high DPS melee, especially on EE or R1. 

I'm not a fan of Barb on this build.  Just not seeing the value.

I ran one for a while.  Did 12 fighter, 6 monk, 2 ranger.   Used the henshin MP, Power surge, and got the forms.  Was centered using Kensai.   It was a fun build and did serious DPS.  It felt like a 5 stat build build though.   Strength for the To hit/damage, Int for KtA, Con - Duh, Dex for AC/reflex (I was in cloth) and wis for AC, will, healing hands.

I was thinking about a heavy armor build that could ignore dex (beyond what you need for GTWF) and dump INT and go with just Str, Con, and Wis.   Using FvS to get more HP and Wis DM and Wis on the healing hands.  Maybe a 12 fighter/8 FvS.  (Or 12/7/1 to avoid having to LR the 1 Ranger level out).  I've not really fleshed it out yet.  (I think Inflame is also an action boost, btw, on it's own timer).  I'm wrapping up some racial PL's with the boxes and the VIP bonus.  I'd like to have the racial AP.  That scourge tree is too nice.  I can easily spend 19-26 AP there.  Getting 12 for free makes the build much easier to work.   

Thanks, Ash. My intention was to definitely go TWF (so that kills Swashbuckling) and Heavy Armor (no Monk) for the PRR and MRR.

I like the 12Ftr/8FvS idea.

I'll have to cogitate on that a little more, maybe play around with it on one of the character planners (what's the best one right now?) and think about the gear a bit.

If you do the 8 FvS, you get 1 level 4 FvS spell.  That can be Divine Power (full BAB), or FoM, or Restoration or Death Ward or Cure Critical Wounds.

Seriously, though...what's the best character planner out there right now? Link?

Thanks. I've used Ron's before but I haven't seen any word on whether he (or anyone else) is updating it anymore.

Technomage wrote on Mar 5^th, 2018 at 12:11pm:


I switched to Ellis's planner.  Once you get used to it, it's a lot faster than Ron's

5 Foot Step wrote on Mar 7^th, 2018 at 10:30am:


Depends on your definition of "dead end". 

If by "dead end" you mean approaching but not quite the DPS of a Khopesh or Scimitar build , then yes, you are correct. 

If, by "dead end" you mean "unacceptable performance for raiding or high skulls" then I would disagree.


The Scourge tree combined with LD erases most of the crit profile issues with blunt mace/star/light mace.  The tree adds some extra doublestrike, offhand doublestrike and to-hit/damage that covers a little more ground.   By coming from a racial tree, this makes it additive vs. just swapping with regular class AP.  A big issue the lack of a named weapon at end game that is on par with Calamity or Flow.  I was surprised and disappointed that they released the VKF tree and supported it heavily with daggers but did not do anything named for the scourge.   

A handwrap monk build with Duality will stil be better raw DPS.  (at least for now).  Although not that dex build one you linked.  That thing is hot garbage.   For a PL, I guess it would suffice, but it is definitely a flavor build of it's own accord. 

5 Foot Step wrote on Mar 7^th, 2018 at 12:45pm:


5 Foot Step wrote on Mar 7^th, 2018 at 12:45pm:

First, it is 17-20x4-6 not x4-5.

And what weapon type is giving 14-20 x4?  Most that I know of that have that expanding crit range are x2 base, not x3.  And are a d6 bace die vs. a d8. 

As for your build:  Off the top of my head:

There is no KTA, Divine Might, or Divine Will.  You are leaving a lot of damage (and DC) on the table.  (Divine Will has great synergy with a scourge monk.  Those ranger levels are a waste, but you aren't LRing the ranger out on a PL build)   

Where is the Kensai for extra AB?  Prowress set.  You can slot that sentient jewel on a bunch of diff named wraps and ride them all the way to cap with +75 MP. 

I mean, for a PL only build it doesn't need to be optimal, at all.  But let's not pretend that build is optimal.  Its a quickie PL build.  Probably about 75%-80% of what a real, permanent build would be. 

 

5 Foot Step wrote on Mar 7^th, 2018 at 3:01pm:


What about OC and Devastating critical?  Why include Pulverizer but leave those out?

OC and DC are static and need not be brought into comparisons of crit profile. Pulverizer is relevant because +1 range adds more to profiles with a high multiplier and less to profiles with a low multiplier.

You're right, War Soul would be nice on that build if I can drop 2 feats.

Technomage wrote on Mar 7^th, 2018 at 4:59pm:


Phosphor 15-20x4
Forgotten Light 16-20x4