Good, this and the LGS change looks like finally there is a reason to not be a wolf

seems the best weapons are flow + dust for trash, and double whelms for boss if someone is debuffing

Whelm has a pseudo guardbreaking effect. Has anyone been using one in practice?

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Vaultaccount wrote on Feb 14^th, 2019 at 9:45am:

Because of the 2 extra dice. It is just better raw dps, even so without any stacks, than any other weapon Tempests can equip. Nothing is even close. (7) 1d8+3 is 15 unadjusted damage, that alone is huge ( around 90 a hit on average ). Then the Whelm bonus benefiting Razor scales those 2 dice even further making Razor + Whelm the best raw dps combo on bosses and trash ( assuming someone has vac/dust stacks ). 

Here is some quick math for Razor/Whelm vs Beacons I did other night.

razor
7.5 x 7 = 52.5
+ 15
67.5 per hit base weapon damage unadjusted. 
16-18 x4, 19-20 x7 - whelm oc -

0, 67.5,  67.5,  67.5,  67.5,  67.5,  67.5,  67.5,  67.5,  67.5,  67.5,  67.5,  67.5,  67.5,  67.5, 270, 270, 270, 472.5, 472.5

2700 / 20 = 135

135 x 1.75 = 236.25

whelm
7.5 x 5 = 37.5
+ 15
52.5
16-18 x4, 19-20 x7

0, 52.5, 52.5, 52.5, 52.5, 52.5, 52.5, 52.5, 52.5, 52.5, 52.5, 52.5, 52.5, 52.5, 52.5, 210, 210, 210, 367.5, 367.5

2100 / 20 = 105
105 x 1.41 = 148.05

411.3

Beacon
7 x 6.5 = 32.5
+ 15
47.5
16-18 x4, 19-20 x6

0, 47.5, 47.5, 47.5, 47.5, 47.5, 47.5, 47.5, 47.5, 47.5, 47.5, 47.5, 47.5, 47.5, 47.5, 190, 190, 190, 285, 285

1805 / 20 = 90.25

mainhand 90.25 x 1.75 = 157.9375
mp bonus 15 157.9375 x 1.15 = 181.628125

offhand 90.25 x 1.56 140.79
140.79 x 1.15 = 161.9085

343.536625

411 vs 343. This is using 0 damage from character and just solely weapon damage using scourge doublestrike and scourge offhand doublestrike values. The disparity in the numbers will get even larger once character damage is accounted for and Whelm's OC bonus on Razor starts to shoot ahead massively. Hundreds of points difference after player damage hits that critical multiplier, and maybe thousand or so higher on helpless.

The Razor+Whelm combo beats any other possible combination. And I am pretty sure 2 Beacons beat anything that isn't Razor and Whelm.

As I furiously farm up Whelm and Razor I want to point out just to be clear it appears that Whelm applies its 19-20 crit bonus to both weapons.  This is why the combo is better than one alone.

Assuming miss on 0:
The critical damage factor for Razor/Whelm is 1.7
The critical damage factor for the scourgy Cotton Candy sticks is 1.6
The difference is the +1 on 19-20 from Whelm

Accounting for doublestrike and offhand bonuses
The hits per animation for Razor/Whelm is 3.41
The hits per animation for a scourge cotton candy build is 3.51
The difference is the 5% offhand doublestrike from scourge and the 5% offhand dstrike from heavy warfarce.

1.7/1.6 = 1.0625
3.41/3.51 = .9715

1.0625*.9715= 1.0322

At an arbitrarily large damage bonus, the blackrazor/whelm will be ahead by 3.2%, excluding sneak attack.
  At an arbitrarily large sneak attack damage bonus the bon bons will pull ahead by 2.9%. Because the critical damage factor is larger than 1.5, melee power will scale base damage better than sneak attack damage.

I don't have the realistic calc, but we could do it.

Rubbinns wrote on Feb 13^th, 2019 at 2:47pm:


Wrong. Double Razors win the game at any time and Vulkoors Edge blows the Beacons out of the water too. If you actually used those Weapons in paractice, you would know that you are fucking wrong and talking out of your ass.

Also good luck with DR if you use any Blunt Weapons at End Game

yardarm doesn't play, just sucks his own cock

WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Feb 15^th, 2019 at 10:49am:


I own all of these Weapons you retards and math doesn't work with Vorpal and PK. I even own your mom who is sucking my cock right now 

Rubbinns wrote on Feb 15^th, 2019 at 1:54pm:


Your Weapons don't mean shit without Sovereign Vorpal/Steal of Souls. Go figure Retard

WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Feb 15^th, 2019 at 10:49am:


If you were that flexible how much DDO would you play?

Vaultaccount wrote on Feb 16^th, 2019 at 8:51pm:

oh, snap! You're Cupuacu on the mobos hahah! And you're on Cannith! That's dope, I'm there too. Hit me up so i can shit on your face in game. I know for sure now that you're kind of trash, I mean, I knew from your posts, but always nice to confirm.

Vaultaccount wrote on Feb 19^th, 2019 at 5:49pm:

Shit! I just left Orien.. Looks like me clapping your buttcheeks is on hold for now. Say whats up to sym for me.