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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #250 - Apr 5^th, 2019 at 4:34pm	Print Post
	DnD wrote on Apr 5^th, 2019 at 3:06pm: In general what is best to persue for Tempests, increasing MP or DS? More specifically on filigrees... I can get up to 7% more DS or should I get the most MP I can? Go with Prowess/Sucker Punch + One Against Many/Long Shadow. 3 set : Sucker Punch/One Against Many 4 mp/2 str punch 5 mp -- set bonus 2pc. 5 mp. 14 mp/2 str total. one 5mp -- set bonus one 2pc set 5 mp. 10 mp total. 24 mp/2 str total 3pc. 3 artifact set : Long Shadow 5 mp Long Shadow 1 hit/dmg Long Shadow 1 dex -- set bonus 5 mp/acid proc. 10 mp/ 1 dex/ 1 hit and dmg 3pc. total. 34 mp filigree/ 1 hit and dmg/ 1 dex 6 piece filigree. 5pc. Prowess.

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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WonderfulFoppyBint Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Poooop Posts: 5986 Location: stockholm victim of hag master Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2013	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #251 - Apr 6^th, 2019 at 10:33am	Print Post
	ty as always rub

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DnD Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 155 Joined: Dec 3^rd, 2014	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #252 - Apr 6^th, 2019 at 7:36pm	Print Post
	Thanks for the info. Now I have to choose the race, i am between Aasimar or Scourge. I am going DEX based. Aasimar: 2 DC for dire charge, 5% DS click, 10 MP/vulnerability stance, but according to wiki can bug so switch on/off frequently. Scourge: Free Favored enemy undead, perma 5% DS and 6MP. Scourge seem to be more convenient, but a bit less dps.
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yardarm_ Toothless Molehunter Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 295 Joined: Aug 21^st, 2015	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #253 - Apr 6^th, 2019 at 7:59pm	Print Post
	DnD wrote on Apr 6^th, 2019 at 7:36pm: Thanks for the info. Now I have to choose the race, i am between Aasimar or Scourge. I am going DEX based. Aasimar: 2 DC for dire charge, 5% DS click, 10 MP/vulnerability stance, but according to wiki can bug so switch on/off frequently. Scourge: Free Favored enemy undead, perma 5% DS and 6MP. Scourge seem to be more convenient, but a bit less dps. 9 ap for scourge : loh + 5% ds and 16 for aasimar to get the stance and the ds clicky is too limited and the cd too long


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Techno Beaver Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 17 Joined: Jul 15^th, 2013	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #254 - Apr 7^th, 2019 at 10:49am	Print Post
	If not Human and not using a Khopesh what is a good replacement feat?


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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #255 - Apr 9^th, 2019 at 9:29am	Print Post
	Techno Beaver wrote on Apr 7^th, 2019 at 10:49am: If not Human and not using a Khopesh what is a good replacement feat? aasimar now, dropped maximize and dodge, picked up Kinight�s Training. Den still might be better


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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #256 - Apr 9^th, 2019 at 9:29am	Print Post
	Dex


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yardarm_ Toothless Molehunter Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 295 Joined: Aug 21^st, 2015	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #257 - Apr 9^th, 2019 at 11:51am	Print Post
	Bigjunk wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 9:29am: Dex Is elaborate parry worth it on a str build ?


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StratleThot Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 34 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2018	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #258 - Apr 10^th, 2019 at 2:18pm	Print Post
	yardarm_ wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 11:51am: Is elaborate parry worth it on a str build ? I run Dex and do not use elaborate parry (or anything else in 2nd tempest column) as it eats too much valuable AP. I suppose if you weren�t running Meld, then it could be a substitute. Or if you are running into issues in which you need 2 melds. Don�t forget you should also have your dodge helm clickie, too.


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DnD Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 155 Joined: Dec 3^rd, 2014	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #259 - Apr 10^th, 2019 at 6:28pm	Print Post
	StratleThot wrote on Apr 10^th, 2019 at 2:18pm: I run Dex and do not use elaborate parry (or anything else in 2nd tempest column) as it eats too much valuable AP. I suppose if you weren�t running Meld, then it could be a substitute. Or if you are running into issues in which you need 2 melds. Don�t forget you should also have your dodge helm clickie, too. What do you consider valuable?


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StratleThot Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 34 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2018	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #260 - Apr 10^th, 2019 at 7:39pm	Print Post
	DnD wrote on Apr 10^th, 2019 at 6:28pm: What do you consider valuable? Any AP that maximizes DPS is valuable. 16Aasimir, 43Tempest, 26DWS, 11Harper I couldn't see reducing any trees other than maybe Harper. I suppose you could spare 3pts from Harper for E. Parry...but they are so much more useful as-is.
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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #261 - Apr 10^th, 2019 at 9:25pm	Print Post
	yardarm_ wrote on Apr 9^th, 2019 at 11:51am: Is elaborate parry worth it on a str build ? I'm still like 60 DEX so yes.


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Techno Beaver Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 17 Joined: Jul 15^th, 2013	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #262 - Apr 11^th, 2019 at 10:12pm	Print Post
	What changes are needed to be made if going Dex based?


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Bigjunk Horoluth Raider Offline Hjeal meh! Posts: 2686 Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #263 - Apr 12^th, 2019 at 8:38am	Print Post
	Techno Beaver wrote on Apr 11^th, 2019 at 10:12pm: What changes are needed to be made if going Dex based? Don't take Khopesh or Knight's training. Take Weapon Finess so you can use rapiers. Slightly different gearing.


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Techno Beaver Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 17 Joined: Jul 15^th, 2013	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #264 - Apr 12^th, 2019 at 9:52am	Print Post
	Cool, thanks.


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5 Foot Step Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline I Hate Idiots! Posts: 11119 Location: USA Joined: Mar 8^th, 2014 Gender:	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #265 - Apr 12^th, 2019 at 11:46am	Print Post
	Elaborate Parry is a prereq for the one that improves your evasion.

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yardarm_ Toothless Molehunter Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 295 Joined: Aug 21^st, 2015	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #266 - Apr 13^th, 2019 at 2:47pm	Print Post
	5 Foot Step wrote on Apr 12^th, 2019 at 11:46am: Elaborate Parry is a prereq for the one that improves your evasion. does improved evasion reduce the dmg of non reflex spells?


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Carpone Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1695 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #267 - Apr 13^th, 2019 at 7:58pm	Print Post
	yardarm_ wrote on Apr 13^th, 2019 at 2:47pm: does improved evasion reduce the dmg of non reflex spells? No.


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LavaMuffDiver Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2019	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #268 - Apr 16^th, 2019 at 9:34am	Print Post
	With knights training, if you have a full compliment of racial AP does scourge with maces become a viable option? another multiplier is nice but not sure if that is enough to make the available maces worthwhile.


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #269 - Apr 16^th, 2019 at 3:44pm	Print Post
	Small error in the previous post. I had the wrong threat range and misplaced a fraction on the crit values. Fixed now. Beacons : 16-20 x3 ( 19-20 x5) (69.575 x 15) + (69.575 x3 x 3) + (69.575 x2 x 5) = 2365.55 2365.55 / 20 = 118.2775 1.10 x 118.2775 = 130.10525 130.10525 x 2 = 260.2105 Scourge 1 multi, 5/5 strikes (69.575 x 15) + (69.575 x3 x 4) + (69.575 x2 x 6) = 2713.425 2713.425 / 20 = 135.67125 1.15 x 135.67125 = 156.0219375 2 x 156.0219375 = 312.043875 Razor + 2767.5 / 20 = 138.375 Whelm 2152.5 / 20 = 107.625 = 138.375 + 107.625 = 246. Quick maffs for dual Nightshard Nightshard 7 1d6+3 +15 14-20 x3 7 x 6.5 = 45.5 45.5 + 15 = 60.5 base (60.5 x 13) + (60.5 x 3 x 5) + (60.5 x 5 x 2) = 2299 114.95 per hand x2 = 229.9 Beacons outpace anything and blow by every thing when on a Scourge. If on a fully debuffed target that takes longer than 1k cuts duration. Long boss beat downs in high skulls. SoulWhelm pulls ahead when fully stacked. SoulWhelm 20 mp 20 dmg Soul 7.5 x 7 = 52.5 + 15 67.5 16-18 x4, 19-20 x7 67.5 + 20 = 87.5 87.5 x 1.20 = 105 (105 x 15) + (105 x 3 x4) + (105 x 2 x 7) = 4305 4305 / 20 =215.25 Whelm 7.5 x 5 = 37.5 + 15 52.5 16-18 x4, 19-20 x7 52.5 +20 = 72.5 72.5 x 1.20 = 87 (87 x 15) + (87 x 2 x 4) + (87 x 2 x 7 ) = 3219 3219/20 = 160.95 215.25 + 160.95 = 376.2

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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DnD Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 155 Joined: Dec 3^rd, 2014	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #270 - Apr 16^th, 2019 at 4:01pm	Print Post
	One thing to consider about Beacons is that new melee set has artifact bonus to MP and DS superior to set, except the off-hand doublestrike, right?


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #271 - Apr 16^th, 2019 at 6:51pm	Print Post
	DnD wrote on Apr 16^th, 2019 at 4:01pm: One thing to consider about Beacons is that new melee set has artifact bonus to MP and DS superior to set, except the off-hand doublestrike, right? Yes. Which shifts again in favor to SoulWhelm even without stacks. The only gain on Beacons is 10% offhand, and +5/5, +1 multi if Scourge. I will math a more effective model to see what comes out ahead. As the previous math is a naked baseline comparison on a character with all values set to essentially 0. Using 225 melee power and 15 doublestrike main hand for SoulWhelm. Using same for Beacons + 10% doublestrike offhand. Razor 67.5 x 2.25 = 151.875 225 mp (151.875 x 15) + (151.875 x 3 x4) + (151.875 x 2 x 7) = 6226.875 6226.875 / 20 = 311.34375 15 dstrike 311.34375 x 1.15 = 358.0453125 Whelm 7.5 x 5 = 52.5 x 2.25 = 118.125 (118.125 x 15) + (118.125 x 2 x 4) + (118.125 x 2 x 7 ) = 4370.625 4370.625 / 20 = 218.53125 no offhand dstrike bonus 358.0453125 + 218.53125 = 576.5765625 Beacons 225 mp 15 dstrike 10 offhand dstrike 7 x 6.5 = 45.5 45.5 + 15 = 60.5 225 mp 60.5 x 2.25 = 136.125 (136.125 x 15) + (136.125 x3 x 3) + (136.125 x2 x 5) = 4628.25 4628.25 / 20 = 231.4125 15 dstrike 231.4125 x 1.15 = 266.124375 + 231.4125 x 1.10 = 254.55375 = 520.678125 Scourge mace bonuses on Beacon set bonus. +1 Multiplier, +5 doublestrike, and +5 offhand doublestrike. Scourge AP (136.125 x 15) + (136.125 x3 x 4) + (136.125 x2 x 6) = 5308.875 5308.875 / 20 = 265.44375 265.44375 x 1.20 = 318.5325 + 265.44375 x 1.15 = 305.2603125 623.7928125 Looks like Beacons on a Scourge beat out SoulWhelm. Otherwise SoulWhelm wins out.
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	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Carpone Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1695 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #272 - Apr 17^th, 2019 at 7:38am	Print Post
	Tentative STR-based U42 gearset, based on preview2: Wildcard Light Armor [Family Set] � Fortification +214% � Physical Sheltering +54 � Healing Amplification +85 � False Life +81 Family Recruit Sigil Necklace [Family Set] � True Seeing � Armor Piercing +33 � Deadly 17 � Relentless Fury Hammerfist Gloves [Family Set] � Doublestrike +23 � Diversion +33% � Seeker +21 � Insightful Deadly +8 Other Sharn items: Silver Dragonscale Helmet� � Insightful Strength +10 � Accuracy�+34 � Deadly�+17 � Cold Resistance�+83 Piston Boots� � Strength�+21 � 5 MP after Jump � Quality Combat Mastery +5 � Stunning�+24 Celestial Amethyst Ring� � Intelliegence +21 � Improved Deception � Dodge 21% [Listed in Notes, but not on Lam] � Profane Attributes�+2 Radiant Ring of Taer Valaestas [Artifact] � Wisdom +22 � Quality Accuracy +8 � Quality Deadly +5 � Law Absorption +31% Collective Sight Goggles � Dexterity +21 � Insightful INT +10 � Quality Resistance +4 � Temperance of Belief: +1 Insightful MRR per Religious Lore Old gear :� Lore Fueled Packbanner � Insightful Doublestrike 11 � Insightful Con 9 Strahd Cloak � Deception +17 � 52 MRR Legendary Planar Compass � Insightful Physical Sheltering +17 � Quality Magical Sheltering +8 � Ghostly � Insightful Fortitude Save +5 Cannith Crafted Belt � Constitution 15 � Parrying 7 � Insightful Dodge 7� Meta: No gear swaps needed for KtA. Missing effects: i accuracy i mrr resistance devotion q prr


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DnD Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 155 Joined: Dec 3^rd, 2014	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #273 - Apr 17^th, 2019 at 2:08pm	Print Post
	Carpone wrote on Apr 17^th, 2019 at 7:38am: Tentative STR-based U42 gearset, based on preview2: Wildcard Light Armor [Family Set] � Fortification +214% � Physical Sheltering +54 � Healing Amplification +85 � False Life +81 Family Recruit Sigil Necklace [Family Set] � True Seeing � Armor Piercing +33 � Deadly 17 � Relentless Fury Hammerfist Gloves [Family Set] � Doublestrike +23 � Diversion +33% � Seeker +21 � Insightful Deadly +8 Other Sharn items: Silver Dragonscale Helmet� � Insightful Strength +10 � Accuracy�+34 � Deadly�+17 � Cold Resistance�+83 Piston Boots� � Strength�+21 � 5 MP after Jump � Quality Combat Mastery +5 � Stunning�+24 Celestial Amethyst Ring� � Intelliegence +21 � Improved Deception � Dodge 21% [Listed in Notes, but not on Lam] � Profane Attributes�+2 Radiant Ring of Taer Valaestas [Artifact] � Wisdom +22 � Quality Accuracy +8 � Quality Deadly +5 � Law Absorption +31% Collective Sight Goggles � Dexterity +21 � Insightful INT +10 � Quality Resistance +4 � Temperance of Belief: +1 Insightful MRR per Religious Lore Old gear :� Lore Fueled Packbanner � Insightful Doublestrike 11 � Insightful Con 9 Strahd Cloak � Deception +17 � 52 MRR Legendary Planar Compass � Insightful Physical Sheltering +17 � Quality Magical Sheltering +8 � Ghostly � Insightful Fortitude Save +5 Cannith Crafted Belt � Constitution 15 � Parrying 7 � Insightful Dodge 7� Meta: No gear swaps needed for KtA. Missing effects: i accuracy i mrr resistance devotion q prr Good set up, maybe slavers trinket craft for resistance and quality attribute or prr. But insight accuracy would be important to find a way to gear.
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DnD Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 155 Joined: Dec 3^rd, 2014	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #274 - Apr 20^th, 2019 at 11:18am	Print Post
	So I am thinking about heavy maces Scourge, what do you think of the new raid mace? Inferior to what we already have? Heavy Mace: The Ripplestorm - sonic on crit, Shockwave, Impact - Upgrade: sov disintegration


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