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Reply #300 - May 21st, 2019 at 10:27am
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Vtec wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 6:54am:
Who's still running STR build and what is your ideal gear layout shaping up as? Trying to solve the puzzle for the new gear is tough, there's so much overlap.


What do you mean ? STR builds have always been superior and Knights Training proves it again.
  
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Reply #301 - May 21st, 2019 at 11:16am
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yardarm_ wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 10:27am:
What do you mean ? STR builds have always been superior and Knights Training proves it again.


Knight's Training requires strength? Lol.

Say, do you happen to know how Manyshot works?
  

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Reply #302 - May 21st, 2019 at 11:18am
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I meant nothing beyond what I said. I see the gear layouts mostly for Dex and I was just looking for what people are resolving on for BIS str build items.

Wasn't implying that anything was better or worse than another. Although I imagine there's a good reason the posted gear plans are dex based.
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Reply #303 - May 21st, 2019 at 2:05pm
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Vtec wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 11:18am:
I meant nothing beyond what I said. I see the gear layouts mostly for Dex and I was just looking for what people are resolving on for BIS str build items.

Wasn't implying that anything was better or worse than another. Although I imagine there's a good reason the posted gear plans are dex based.

There are a bunch of gear sets flying around, but nothing definitive. Carpone posted some a few pages ago for Str based, iirc. I have some drafted that are not posted.

I think a large reason as to why so few are even posted is that no one has really acquired all the mats to forge their gear set perfectly. Since the crafting imbues stats on the gear, it makes it hard to wear right out of the box. Also it makes hard to experiment with since crafting uses the up the mats and the item is stuck as crafted.

  

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Reply #304 - May 21st, 2019 at 2:35pm
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U42 STR Tempest With Raid1+Raid2 Gear
                             
Head - Umber Brim: Improved Quelling Strikes, INS Deception +8, INS Accuracy +17, Profane Attributes +2      
Necklace - Family Recruit Sigil: True Seeing, Armor Piercing +33, Deadly +17, Relentless Fury [Family Set]
Eyes - Precision Lenses: Manslayer, INS STR +9, Melee Alacrity 15%, Action Boosts      
Feet - Piston Boots: STR +21, Fulcrum Shift, Q Combat Mastery +5, Stunning +24 [Raid1]
Chest - Wildcard: Fortification +214%, PRR +54, HAMP +85, False Life +81 [Family Set]
Back - Mantle of Fury: CON +19, Raging Resilience, Doublestrike +22%, Dodge +19%      
Wrist - Hallowed Castigator: Devotion +214, Healing Lore +31%, INS Sheltering +27, Improved Emp Heal      
Waist - Cannith Crafted: Parrying +7, INS CON +7                  
Ring1 - Radiant Ring of Taer Valaestas: WIS +22, Q Accuracy +8, Q Deadly +5, Law Absorption +31 [Raid2]
Ring2 - Celestial Ruby: DEX +21, Accuracy +33, Stunning +23, Ghostly      
Trinket - Slavers: Sheltering +45, Deception +14, UMD +7, Q STR +4      
Hands - Hammerfist: INS Dstrike +11, Cannith Combat Infusion, Seeker +21, INS Deadly +8 [Family Set]

Missing Effects: Q PRR, Q Deception, Improved Deception

The bracers are primarily included because it's one of the few sources of Insightful Sheltering in Sharn.  Devotion is a bonus, and could easily go on the Slaver's item instead of UMD.  UMD is there because it's actually tough casting Resurrection scrolls without it on a toon with only a handful of past lives.  If you've got enough UMD for Resurrection scrolls without the Slaver item, then craft it as Heal +22 instead.

Hitting the 100 MRR cap is straightforward: 45 sheltering + 27 INS sheltering + 20 tempest = 92 before any past lives, mythic items or mrr tome.

KtA swapping sucks.  If you choose to be lazy by swapping in goggles, then you lose 3 boosts.  For maximum effort you'd swap in a Phasecloak and Nightfall ring for +32 INT/+8 tactics and dmg.

Pre-raid gear:
The artifact ring can be any artifact ring for the 3 filigree.
You'd craft STR instead of DEX on the Celestial Ruby ring. 
The boots would be Cannith Crafted with INS Combat Mastery +6.      

There are other STR gearsets with different tradeoffs.  This is the version that I'm least cranky about.
  
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Reply #305 - May 21st, 2019 at 2:56pm
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Carpone wrote on May 21st, 2019 at 2:35pm:
U42 STR Tempest With Raid1+Raid2 Gear
                             
Head - Umber Brim: Improved Quelling Strikes, INS Deception +8, INS Accuracy +17, Profane Attributes +2      
Necklace - Family Recruit Sigil: True Seeing, Armor Piercing +33, Deadly +17, Relentless Fury [Family Set]
Eyes - Precision Lenses: Manslayer, INS STR +9, Melee Alacrity 15%, Action Boosts      
Feet - Piston Boots: STR +21, Fulcrum Shift, Q Combat Mastery +5, Stunning +24 [Raid1]
Chest - Wildcard: Fortification +214%, PRR +54, HAMP +85, False Life +81 [Family Set]
Back - Mantle of Fury: CON +19, Raging Resilience, Doublestrike +22%, Dodge +19%      
Wrist - Hallowed Castigator: Devotion +214, Healing Lore +31%, INS Sheltering +27, Improved Emp Heal      
Waist - Cannith Crafted: Parrying +7, INS CON +7                  
Ring1 - Radiant Ring of Taer Valaestas: WIS +22, Q Accuracy +8, Q Deadly +5, Law Absorption +31 [Raid2]
Ring2 - Celestial Ruby: DEX +21, Accuracy +33, Stunning +23, Ghostly      
Trinket - Slavers: Sheltering +45, Deception +14, UMD +7, Q STR +4      
Hands - Hammerfist: INS Dstrike +11, Cannith Combat Infusion, Seeker +21, INS Deadly +8 [Family Set]

Missing Effects: Q PRR, Q Deception, Improved Deception

The bracers are primarily included because it's one of the few sources of Insightful Sheltering in Sharn.  Devotion is a bonus, and could easily go on the Slaver's item instead of UMD.  UMD is there because it's actually tough casting Resurrection scrolls without it on a toon with only a handful of past lives.  If you've got enough UMD for Resurrection scrolls without the Slaver item, then craft it as Heal +22 instead.

Hitting the 100 MRR cap is straightforward: 45 sheltering + 27 INS sheltering + 20 tempest = 92 before any past lives, mythic items or mrr tome.

KtA swapping sucks.  If you choose to be lazy by swapping in goggles, then you lose 3 boosts.  For maximum effort you'd swap in a Phasecloak and Nightfall ring for +32 INT/+8 tactics and dmg.

Pre-raid gear:
The artifact ring can be any artifact ring for the 3 filigree.
You'd craft STR instead of DEX on the Celestial Ruby ring. 
The boots would be Cannith Crafted with INS Combat Mastery +6.      

There are other STR gearsets with different tradeoffs.  This is the version that I'm least cranky about.


An excellent guide thank you. I have just gotten back from an extended break and the amount of gear in recent updates is overwhelming haha.
  

                               
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Reply #306 - May 22nd, 2019 at 2:35pm
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Dex Set:


Head - Umber Brim: Improved Quelling Strikes, INS Deception +8, INS Accuracy +17, Profane Attributes +2      
Necklace - Family Recruit Sigil: True Seeing, Armor Piercing +33, Deadly +17, Relentless Fury [Family Set]
Chest - Wildcard: Fortification +214%, PRR +54, HAMP +85, False Life +81 [Family Set]
Back - Mantle of Fury: CON +19, Raging Resilience, Doublestrike +22%, Dodge +19%
Hands - Hammerfist: INS Dstrike +11, Cannith Combat Infusion, Seeker +21, INS Deadly +8 [Family Set]

Ring1 - Radiant Ring of Taer Valaestas: WIS +22, Q Accuracy +8, Q Deadly +5, Law Absorption +31
Ring2 - Celestial Ruby: Int +21, Accuracy +33, Stunning +23, Ghostly

Trinket - Slavers: Sheltering +45, Deception +14, Hide +22, QDEX +4
Eyewear- Leg. Collective Sight: Dex +21, Ins. Dex +10, Qual Resist

Belt- Slavers: Cha +17, Resistance +14, Q con +4
Wrist - Hallowed Castigator: Devotion +214, Healing Lore +31%, INS Sheltering +27, Improved Emp Heal

Boots:  ? cc with parry +7, or the stupid 1000lb. concrete zapatos... not sure.

I'm happier with the gear layout in this expansion than I was with ravenloft.  I think we get a lot of solid gear with very little overlap.

The issue I have is it is almost impossible to fit in any of the raid gear, and would probably be a downgrade in someways to do so.  Raid gear should be an upgrade, and fit in with gear.  Also a little bit of flexibility would be nice, we are definitely lacking in that...

This is pretty much identical to the str setup... Much is copied and pasted from Carpone's setup. (Ty Carpone)

I did not manage to fit in insightful con, which sucks.  Thoughts?
  
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Reply #307 - May 22nd, 2019 at 3:21pm
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4 Q Con vs 7 I Con is a push, especially when you can slot +2 I Con augment.  With artifacts having 3 aug slots, you'll have more than you know what to do with.

If you ditch the Precision Lenses, then I'm assuming you take Blinding Speed.  So do you skip Epic Reflexes or Epic Damage Reduction?

Why INT on the ring instead of swapping in +31 INT Collective Sight for KtA?

I hadn't considered a 2nd Slavers item, because I fucking hate farming those ingredients.  But it's probably a better setup.

For the STR setup, you could just ignore the Piston Boots and go with CC 15 Dex, Parrying 7, INS Combat Mastery +6.  The belt could then be a 2nd slavers item as you described.  The Dex is only for Reflex saves.  I'm not convinced gearing for Elaborate Parry is worth the tradeoffs on a STR build.
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Reply #308 - May 22nd, 2019 at 10:15pm
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I don't know what difficulty you do but spell absorb is almost necessary for some pulls / fights. Or at least reduces the risk of something going to shit / death.

I'd always take -5 % dps and no chance for one shot over full retard deeps when hjealing for example.

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Reply #309 - May 23rd, 2019 at 2:48am
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I take blinding speed, and believe that I skip epic reflexes.  My dex is going to be around 92, 96 in reaper, can push that to 100 with a yugo and rem pot.  My reflex save is over 100, though I guess I can fail on a 1.

I put Int on the ring, so that I could swap in Nightfall ring for Artifact ring and have +30.  Also, honestly I get lazy and hate swapping so at least I'll always be at +21...Smiley

Yeah I can understand not wanting to grind slavelord items... I had the mats as I've been running the quests once in a while over the last several months...

The raid belt with alacrity, deception, and quality stat might be worth adding to the dex build... It's not really a must have though.  My biggest disappointment is that I can't use the raid cloak, I would have like to have used that.



  
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Reply #310 - May 23rd, 2019 at 2:51am
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There are some decent boots in Riding the Storm Out, that might work for a dex build.  Too bad that raid is rarely run on G landa.
  
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Reply #311 - May 24th, 2019 at 10:49am
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KoboldHater wrote on May 23rd, 2019 at 2:48am:
I put Int on the ring, so that I could swap in Nightfall ring for Artifact ring and have +30. 

Looks great on paper, but swapping out the artifact ring has the same problem with main hand weapon swapping -- filigree induced lag.
  
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Reply #312 - May 24th, 2019 at 1:19pm
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I think I will go with this for a Dexterity set up.

Family blessing neck
Armor 33%
Fury
True Seeing

Hammerfist gloves
Insight Ds 11
Seeker 21
Insight Deadly 8

Wildcard armor
Fort
Hamp
PRR
False Life

eye artifact
Dex
Dodge
Parry

Cloak
Con
Dodge
Dstrike

bracers
Legendary Bracers of the Fallen Hero      
Strength +19
Insightful Constitution +9
Stunning +22
Quality Physical Sheltering +12

belt slaver
Sheltering
Deception
Hide
Q Dex

ring
Band of Command
Profane
Ins Accuracy
Q Deadly

helm
Wind Howler Mask      
Insightful Dexterity +9
Relentless Fury
Doubleshot 12%
Tendon Slice +16

trinket
Legendary Planar Compass      
Insightful Physical Sheltering +17
Quality Magical Sheltering +8
Ghostly
Insightful Fortitude Save +5

ring
Prowess
8 MP
Accuracy

Boots
Many-Hooked Greaves      
Insightful Combat Mastery +7
Strength +17
Vertigo +20


Any weak spots, such as MRR can be addressed by swapping to Cobalt Guard. The Absorb swap for Too Hot can be exchanged with Bands of Insightful Commands. Or swaps to Ring of Power if Fort Bypass isn't enough. Goggles Int 19/Insight Int 9 for KtA swap.
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Reply #313 - May 24th, 2019 at 1:52pm
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Rubbinns wrote on May 24th, 2019 at 1:19pm:
I think I will go with this for a Dexterity set up.


Using a feat for speed/alacrity?
  

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5 Foot Step wrote on May 24th, 2019 at 1:52pm:
Using a feat for speed/alacrity?

Yes, sir. Epic Reflexes as well.
  

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Reply #315 - May 24th, 2019 at 2:51pm
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If you're willing to give up tripping, you could swap hooked greaves for flightfoot greaves to get your feat back, as well as netting 11 AC (over a +8 natural augment), 8 reflex (over a +8 resistance augment),
  

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5 Foot Step wrote on May 24th, 2019 at 2:51pm:
If you're willing to give up tripping, you could swap hooked greaves for flightfoot greaves to get your feat back, as well as netting 11 AC (over a +8 natural augment), 8 reflex (over a +8 resistance augment),

Not many feats I'd like there. Maybe Epic PRR 10? IDK. I do like the Combat Mastery DC increase a lot. Gets me to like 125 stunning inside Reaper on that set up. Saves are lower than I'd like without spell saves, reflex 16 or resistance 14.

The helm can also be upgraded with Dragonscale helm for Insight Dex 10 vs I Dex 9 on Howler. Drop Tendon Slice and gain 1 insight dex. That nets max dex set up 22/10/4.
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Awesome.  I like how you it’s a mix of new stuff and not so new stuff.  Seems like if we go away from sticking to the ravenloft sets, there’s a few options and potentially more variety.

What combos of filigrees are you planning to roll with? (Still fitting in some treachery for threat reduction?)

And are you still going Scion of Ethereal Plane or switching to Arborea?
  
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Makk wrote on May 24th, 2019 at 3:45pm:
Awesome.  I like how you it’s a mix of new stuff and not so new stuff.  Seems like if we go away from sticking to the ravenloft sets, there’s a few options and potentially more variety.

What combos of filigrees are you planning to roll with? (Still fitting in some treachery for threat reduction?)

And are you still going Scion of Ethereal Plane or switching to Arborea?

Prowess 5pc. + Raid One Against Many/Sucker Punch, and one of matching Sucker or One MP rare for 3pc. Artifact is Long Shadow MP Rare + Treachery MP rare + Raid Treachery/Twilight Cloak 2 Dex 4 PRR.   

Ethereal is more DPS over a longer beat down. I like big numbers to channel my inner Shade, so Arborea ( This set up gets me to like 310 MP blitzed and haste boosted under prowess ).


Makk wrote on May 24th, 2019 at 3:45pm:
(Still fitting in some treachery for threat reduction?)

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I am running a STR tempest now. i saw some ideas for gear on the topic, but wondering if there is already a consensus for best in place gear.
  
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Rubbinns wrote on May 24th, 2019 at 4:20pm:
Prowess 5pc. + Raid One Against Many/Sucker Punch, and one of matching Sucker or One MP rare for 3pc. Artifact is Long Shadow MP Rare + Treachery MP rare + Raid Treachery/Twilight Cloak 2 Dex 4 PRR.   

Ethereal is more DPS over a longer beat down. I like big numbers to channel my inner Shade, so Arborea ( This set up gets me to like 310 MP blitzed and haste boosted under prowess ).


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Only reason i dont switch to Arborea is because it breaks Celestias - stupid how this weapon is still relevant because of all the DR/- mobs
  
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Justanotherlurker wrote on Jun 5th, 2019 at 1:53pm:
Only reason i dont switch to Arborea is because it breaks Celestias - stupid how this weapon is still relevant because of all the DR/- mobs



In particular the retarded optional fire/water elementals on R8 the other day werent even dangerous, just a pain in the god damn ass because everyone swinging had no/broken celestia.
  

                               
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+1
Threat reduction slot decreases deeps slots.  If you’re grabbing aggro, beef your standing defenses and double down on deeps.  You learn to deal with the aggro. It’s a good way to control the field from the almighty pug that likes to kite because he can’t take a lick or two. Higher Rs may require a mommy-copter healer, but at least you have control of the field.
I’ve looked into treachery set(not for threat reduction), but for the 10MP, SA and +3 to Dex. But I have my eye set on 3piece shattered device set(+4hit/dmg, 3dblstr, 5fort bypass, 5MP).
I think it may win over raw 10MP of treachery.
Don’t know yet. I haven’t swapped to Sharn gear out yet.
I have a theory gear out, but needs field testing before posting.
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Reply #323 - Jun 8th, 2019 at 11:52am
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Rubs, have you benchmarked dps for pre-Sharn and post-Sharn dex gearouts?
Any idea of % increase?
I’m looking for a silverscale raid helm before I can craft and switch out.
(Which I’m sure I will be buying before they actually drop Cry)

Edit: nevermind; moot point with incoming LD change.
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StratleThot wrote on Jun 8th, 2019 at 11:52am:
Rubs, have you benchmarked dps for pre-Sharn and post-Sharn dex gearouts?


For my in game build. I was at 30 seconds before Sharn gear. Tested Sharn gear at 25 seconds with the same in game build, with the gear set posted here. Put me to, inside reaper, around 160 mp, 70 doublestrike, and 150s to-hit ( buffed GH + Tenser ), 220 PRR ( blitzing + Tenser ), 92 dex, 120~ Dire Charge DC.

  

Mockduck wrote on Aug 30th, 2010 at 2:20pm:
I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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