Vault - My Shitty Tempest

Makk Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 58 Joined: Feb 22^nd, 2018	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #400 - Jul 14^th, 2019 at 3:45pm	Print Post
	I�m about to head into a few ITRs with my tempest, not pure tempest but TWF with the intent of ending at pure tempest again, just better. Planning 4 ITRs. Need 2 of each; Paladin, Fighter. These will round up my Scourge and PDK past lives. This is what I�m thinking; For Fighter; 12 Fighter / 6 Ranger / 2 Rogue, then for the second one either repeat, or perhaps a centered Kensai Fighter Monk Ranger (12/6/2 or 8/6/6) or Fighter Monk Paladin (12/6/2). For Paladin; Paladin 15 / Ranger 5, Paladin 14 / 6 Ranger. Or maybe 15/3/2 Paladin Ranger Monk. Couple of questions; any mixes you particularly recommend (or recommend I avoid)? Also, any recommendations for gearing for levels 15-28? It�s been a while since I TRd so my leveling gear is kind of dated. I�m thinking I�ll get myself heroic sharn stuff (seems to be easier to farm than the heroic ravenloft - I can get heroic part of family and compliment with canning crafted stuff). But how far will that take me into the epic levels?, and what are good options to cover between that point and when I get all the other good stuff at 28/29?


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yardarm_ Toothless Molehunter Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 295 Joined: Aug 21^st, 2015	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #401 - Jul 14^th, 2019 at 3:48pm	Print Post
	Makk wrote on Jul 14^th, 2019 at 3:44pm: I�ve always wondered why no one usually recommends symmetric...� Been running with it (And sense weakness) but wondering if I�m wasting an expensive slot. It always affected the weapon die as fas as i know which is only a very tiny dps boost Last time I tested it, symmetric strike raises only your weapon damage (W[xdy]) by 5%, not your total damage. Tested in 2016.
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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #402 - Jul 14^th, 2019 at 3:58pm	Print Post
	yardarm_ wrote on Jul 14^th, 2019 at 3:33pm: Isn't symmetric broken and only affects the base dmg of the weapon ? Anything that affects the front number. Symmetric will increase the front number.

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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yardarm_ Toothless Molehunter Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 295 Joined: Aug 21^st, 2015	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #403 - Jul 14^th, 2019 at 4:41pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Jul 14^th, 2019 at 3:58pm: Anything that affects the front number. Symmetric will increase the front number. wtf ? thats fucking good


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #404 - Jul 14^th, 2019 at 6:21pm	Print Post
	yardarm_ wrote on Jul 14^th, 2019 at 4:41pm: wtf ? thats fucking good� It's really good for a twist. Last I tested it on and off, was around Ravenloft era Lamania. My times were 30 seconds with and around 34 to 35 without it on.

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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QuantumFX Shroud Slacker Offline Now back to the GOOD part! Posts: 1170 Joined: Nov 15^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #405 - Jul 26^th, 2019 at 10:42pm	Print Post
	I leave it to Rubbins and friends to do the DPS testing, but I'm liking what I saw on Lammaland for Shadowdancer + Tempest. Dark Imbuement and Dance of Death are a pretty hilarious combo.


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Makk Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 58 Joined: Feb 22^nd, 2018	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #406 - Aug 1^st, 2019 at 1:30am	Print Post
	Looks like the new raid necklace actually has doublestrike on it. Frees up the need for mantle of fury to open up other options for cloak?


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yardarm_ Toothless Molehunter Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 295 Joined: Aug 21^st, 2015	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #407 - Aug 1^st, 2019 at 10:40am	Print Post
	Makk wrote on Aug 1^st, 2019 at 1:30am: Looks like the new raid necklace actually has doublestrike on it.� Frees up the need for mantle of fury to open up other options for cloak? the raid necklace is shit


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WonderfulFoppyBint Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Poooop Posts: 5986 Location: stockholm victim of hag master Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2013	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #408 - Aug 2^nd, 2019 at 10:38am	Print Post
	yardarm_ wrote on Aug 1^st, 2019 at 10:40am: the raid necklace is shit hey look, he's masturbating into a sock

	OUR GOD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1l7N-WLa3Q Right of Self-determination: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8bqQ-C1PSE volt_ wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 4:43pm: Be a container for your genes to control your behavior in order to reproduce
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WonderfulFoppyBint Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Poooop Posts: 5986 Location: stockholm victim of hag master Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2013	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #409 - Aug 2^nd, 2019 at 10:55am	Print Post
	take it sock. take it.
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	OUR GOD: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1l7N-WLa3Q Right of Self-determination: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8bqQ-C1PSE volt_ wrote on Mar 23^rd, 2017 at 4:43pm: Be a container for your genes to control your behavior in order to reproduce
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Re: My Shitty Tempest
Reply #410 - Aug 5^th, 2019 at 6:45pm

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Carpone wrote on May 21^st, 2019 at 2:35pm:

U42 STR Tempest With Raid1+Raid2 Gear

Head - Umber Brim: Improved Quelling Strikes, INS Deception +8, INS Accuracy +17, Profane Attributes +2
Necklace - Family Recruit Sigil: True Seeing, Armor Piercing +33, Deadly +17, Relentless Fury [Family Set]
Eyes - Precision Lenses: Manslayer, INS STR +9, Melee Alacrity 15%, Action Boosts
Feet - Piston Boots: STR +21, Fulcrum Shift, Q Combat Mastery +5, Stunning +24 [Raid1]
Chest - Wildcard: Fortification +214%, PRR +54, HAMP +85, False Life +81 [Family Set]
Back - Mantle of Fury: CON +19, Raging Resilience, Doublestrike +22%, Dodge +19%
Wrist - Hallowed Castigator: Devotion +214, Healing Lore +31%, INS Sheltering +27, Improved Emp Heal
Waist - Cannith Crafted: Parrying +7, INS CON +7
Ring1 - Radiant Ring of Taer Valaestas: WIS +22, Q Accuracy +8, Q Deadly +5, Law Absorption +31 [Raid2]
Ring2 - Celestial Ruby: DEX +21, Accuracy +33, Stunning +23, Ghostly
Trinket - Slavers: Sheltering +45, Deception +14, UMD +7, Q STR +4
Hands - Hammerfist: INS Dstrike +11, Cannith Combat Infusion, Seeker +21, INS Deadly +8 [Family Set]

Missing Effects: Q PRR, Q Deception, Improved Deception

The bracers are primarily included because it's one of the few sources of Insightful Sheltering in Sharn.� Devotion is a bonus, and could easily go on the Slaver's item instead of UMD.� UMD is there because it's actually tough casting Resurrection scrolls without it on a toon with only a handful of past lives.� If you've got enough UMD for Resurrection scrolls without the Slaver item, then craft it as Heal +22 instead.

Hitting the 100 MRR cap is straightforward: 45 sheltering + 27 INS sheltering + 20 tempest = 92 before any past lives, mythic items or mrr tome.

KtA swapping sucks.� If you choose to be lazy by swapping in goggles, then you lose 3 boosts.� For maximum effort you'd swap in a Phasecloak and Nightfall ring for +32 INT/+8 tactics and dmg.

Pre-raid gear:
The artifact ring can be any artifact ring for the 3 filigree.
You'd craft STR instead of DEX on the Celestial Ruby ring.�
The boots would be Cannith Crafted with INS Combat Mastery +6.

There are other STR gearsets with different tradeoffs.� This is the version that I'm least cranky about.

Carpone - Any updates to your recommended layout or still prefer the one above? Also, what would you recommend for a Dex based layout?

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Carpone Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1695 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #411 - Aug 6^th, 2019 at 9:59am	Print Post
	Nothing has changed for STR tempests.� I'm using that gear setup.� I haven't messed around with DEX, though I might swap to a DEX Wood Elf with U43.


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Makk Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 58 Joined: Feb 22^nd, 2018	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #412 - Aug 6^th, 2019 at 10:55am	Print Post
	Thanks. What would you recommend as the swap slot for the elemental absorption items for the raids? I�m thinking that for a Dex setup the swap may be as simple as switching precision lenses to collective sights to get Dex insight and Dex (put a different stat on the ruby ring - maybe int?), and of course.. switch quality strength to quality dex (sigh, another slavers item). (I also like Rubbins� setup but I don�t have all the goodies yet to make that happen).


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #413 - Aug 6^th, 2019 at 10:47pm	Print Post
	With the change to the raid necklace The Family's Blessing, we can look at dropping the Mantle on gear sets. Taking the Dex set-up I had and adjusting a few slots resulted in increased Armor Piercing, Doublestrike, MRR, and Deception values. My con dropped 2 points and Insightful Dex is 9 instead of 10. The gear set retains Relentless Fury through the helm slot. Family blessing neck Dstrike 24 Insightful Armor Piercing 16 Deadly 17 Hammerfist gloves Insight Ds 11 Seeker 21 Insight Deadly 8 Wildcard armor Fort Hamp PRR False Life eye artifact Dex Dodge Parry Cloak Strahd Deception MRR bracers Legendary Bracers of the Fallen Hero� �� Strength +19 Insightful Constitution +9 Stunning +22 Quality Physical Sheltering +12 belt slaver Con Armor Piercing Hide Q Dex ring Band of Command Profane Ins Accuracy Q Deadly swap to absorb rings for THTH helm Wind Howler Mask� �� Insightful Dexterity +9 Relentless Fury Doubleshot 12% Tendon Slice +16 trinket Legendary Planar Compass� �� Insightful Physical Sheltering +17 Quality Magical Sheltering +8 Ghostly Insightful Fortitude Save +5 ring Prowess 8 MP Accuracy Boots Many-Hooked Greaves� �� Insightful Combat Mastery +7 Strength +17 Vertigo +20 Swap to Cobalt for mrr caps in THTH.� edit : Gear set for past life heavy characters. PRR/MRR and tactical DC past lives would allow for a different gear set. One that could incorporate a LGS 2-piece HP set. Take the belt slot slaver crafted item and make it into a trinket. Drop Prowess ring for Ruby ring. Place LGS 2 piece on boots and belt slots. With past lives covering the MP loss from Prowess, the PRR and MRR boosts from Compass, and the tactic DC loss for Dire Charge on the Boots.
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	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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yardarm_ Toothless Molehunter Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 295 Joined: Aug 21^st, 2015	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #414 - Aug 7^th, 2019 at 7:14am	Print Post
	Makk wrote on Aug 5^th, 2019 at 6:45pm: Carpone - Any updates to your recommended layout or still prefer the one above?� Also, what would you recommend for a Dex based layout? Best i could come up with and no int swapping needed for this build, i am not going to change the necklace for +2 doublestrike (would be retarded) and the sigil is much better than the raid necklace. Wildcard Light Armor [Family Set] : Fortification +214%/Physical Sheltering +54/Healing Amplification +85/False Life +81 Family Recruit Sigil Necklace [Family Set] : True Seeing/Armor Piercing +33/Deadly 17/Relentless Fury Hammerfist Gloves [Family Set] : Insightful Doublestrike +11/Diversion +33%/Seeker +21/Insightful Deadly +8 Legendary Umber Brim : Improved Quelling Strikes/Insightful Accuracy +16/Insightful Deception +8/Profane Well Rounded +2 Legendary Celestial Ruby Ring : Intelligence +21 (nearly finished)/Stunning +23/Accuracy 33/Ghostly Radiant Ring of Taer Valaestas : Wisdom +22/Quality Accuracy 8/Quality Deadly +5/Law Absorption 31% Legendary Collective Sight : Dexterity +21(nearly finished)/insightful Dexterity +10(nearly finished) Legendary Hallowed Castigators : Devotion +214/Healing Lore +31%/Insightful Sheltering +27/Efficient Metamagic - Empower Healing III Legendary Mantle of Fury : Constitution +19/Raging Resilience/Doublestrike 22%/Dodge +19% Trinket CC : Melee Alacrity/Saves +12/Insightful int +7 Boots Slavers : +45 Sheltering/+14 Deception/+22 Hide/+4 Quality Dex Belt CC : Insightful Diversion +11/Parry +7/insightful CON +7


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Carpone Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1695 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #415 - Aug 7^th, 2019 at 9:54am	Print Post
	For the DEX build, can you get a meaningful Reflex save in elite+ THTH to save against the titan's fire damage?� That and Elaborate Parry are the reasons I'm considering DEX over STR, but I also have reservations about lowering my Dire Charge DC too much.


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Makk Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 58 Joined: Feb 22^nd, 2018	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #416 - Aug 7^th, 2019 at 11:27am	Print Post
	Rubbins - you are running scion of Arborea right?� If so, did you consider a different skill on the slavers item? (Or keeping hide to be able to switch to Ethereal without having to craft something new) As far as gear I am trying to decide / compare between the Rubbins layout, something like what yardarm has, or one closer to Carpone Str but replacing lenses with collective sight and maybe the belt with a GS HP / Dex skills belt.
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Carpone Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1695 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #417 - Aug 7^th, 2019 at 11:49am	Print Post
	Expect nerfs to Tempest soon.� Last week Steelstar replied to a comment in Discord about nerfing builds, and his response was "wolves and tempests, mostly".� The wolf nerfs have been announced, so...


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Makk Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 58 Joined: Feb 22^nd, 2018	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #418 - Aug 7^th, 2019 at 7:33pm	Print Post
	What type of bonus is the melee power bonus from Piston Boots? If not enhancement (and if it stacks with ring of prowess).. rubbins, you could switch the boots to the Piston and only lose 2 Combat Mastery but gain 5 MP.


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #419 - Aug 7^th, 2019 at 8:43pm	Print Post
	Makk wrote on Aug 7^th, 2019 at 7:33pm: What type of bonus is the melee power bonus from Piston Boots?� If not enhancement (and if it stacks with ring of prowess).. rubbins, you could switch the boots to the Piston and only lose 2 Combat Mastery but gain 5 MP. Yes. They do not work still. Makk wrote on Aug 7^th, 2019 at 11:27am: / compare between the Rubbins layout, something like what yardarm has, or one closer to Carpone Str but replacing lenses with collective sight and maybe the belt with a GS HP / Dex skills belt. Slight differences in all 3, but nothing major that is decidedly bad or wrong. It's preference. Yardarm has A bit of diversion, spell saves ( which is really good ), and eschews the need of an item swap for KtA. Mine has slightly higher values in deception, PRR, Tactical DCs, Melee Power and Armor Piercing. But lower mrr ( unless past lives ), lower saves versus spells, the need for kta swap, and no devotion slotted outside of weapon augments.
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	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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NOTpopejubal Epic Poster Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 4096 Location: Let go or get dragged. Joined: Apr 17^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #420 - Aug 8^th, 2019 at 10:02am	Print Post
	I just tested this build on Llama and it turns out that it's super lame and not good after the changes to Pale Master and Epic Destinies. That might sound weird, but it's true. This is now an underperforming or medium-performing build and doesn't need any special attention from SSG.


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yardarm_ Toothless Molehunter Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 295 Joined: Aug 21^st, 2015	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #422 - Aug 8^th, 2019 at 12:05pm	Print Post
	NOTpopejubal wrote on Aug 8^th, 2019 at 10:02am: I just tested this build on Llama and it turns out that it's super lame and not good after the changes to Pale Master and Epic Destinies.� That might sound weird, but it's true.� This is now an underperforming or medium-performing build and doesn't need any special attention from SSG. But their data showed it so it must be true
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NOTpopejubal Epic Poster Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 4096 Location: Let go or get dragged. Joined: Apr 17^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #423 - Aug 8^th, 2019 at 12:08pm	Print Post
	yardarm_ wrote on Aug 8^th, 2019 at 12:05pm: But their data showed it so it must be true� You shut your whore mouth. We've tested it here on the Vault and have determined that it now underperforms after the latest changes on Llama! (Seriously, you know that the Vault is at least a significant portion of "their data")


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StratleThot Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 34 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2018	Re: My Shitty Tempest Reply #424 - Aug 8^th, 2019 at 12:46pm	Print Post
	This question should prob be in General, but I�m applying the answer to my tempest, so don�t kick my shithole in... At KtA, 66 INT yields +14 Dmg. 68 INT yields +14.5 Dmg. Does damage round up / down, or multiply the 0.5 fraction? My gut says it rounds down, thus I should optimize at 66 INT (or punch to 70) and spread those extra 2pts elsewhere. Thots? ...I mean...thoughts?


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