Bishop wrote on Jan 20^th, 2019 at 6:05pm:


Do you get free kneepads from SSG or do you have to pay for your own?

raybob wrote on Jan 20^th, 2019 at 6:16pm:

You have to pay for your own, but anyone who doesn't make the extra effort is obviously trapped in an adversarial mindset, and transparently griefing.

If they were really safeguarding the TR process, they would save off a copy when you hit the button before you create anew, before the game copies everything to cache, before you talk to jeets.  Keep the backup for 30 days and trash it.  30 days worth of TRs won't break the bank.

I have heard of players trying to exploit the TR uncertainty to get items restored that they never had.   Saw one bragging about it in a channel once.  (May or may not have been true.  People lie in channels, too)

If that's happening, that's a special kind of stupid.   Because if SSG has to try to separate the exploiters from the legit cases then it takes more time, slows resolutions for players, and muddies up the data set for finding the root cause.   Also, sending devs on wild goose chases would be about as dumb as making fake fire calls to fire department.   All it does is potentially put someone else's home at risk while they are out on your fake run instead of responding to real issues.   What's funny to you can be devastating to someone else.  It's the classic example of fucking over your community for your own self interest and a short term gain for a long term loss.   At the end of the day you are hurting other players way more than SSG by your behavior.

That said, all the reported cases are not falsehoods.  It is unfair and inaccurate to say that anyone who is bringing up the TR process is trolling or trying to get something for nothing.   Especially without proof.   I don't know anyone personally from this current set of people reporting the issue, but the TR process is a quagmire.  From a pure data standpoint, I am not a fan of any implementation that does not have transnational integrity.   The delete should not happen until the write is confirmed.  It's a serious issue that should be taken seriously.    

I think it is time to push hard for the end to the TR cache.   Offer 200 more personal bank spaces for sale, monetize it and end the cache. 

They don't employ anyone who can fix the TR cache. Their developers are all working within higher level simplifications of the engine. The engine is now a mystery to this company and they are unwilling to hire anyone to figure it out.

We're actually fucked on this one boys.

The main problem of the TR cache is how it's handled internally by the game client ( because that's where lots of things happen during the TR process ).

and if you have the really bad taste to crash the client while recreating your character ( from the time you hit "reincarnate" to the time you hit "Enter Game" at the end of the character creation ) you are basically fucked as the game client will have lost the unique number tied to your TR cache. And that unique number is not known by the server until you enter the game... 


And yes every time you TR ( you hit that Reincarnate button ), even if you already have a cache, a new cache is created with an Unique Cache Number generated by the client and kept in the client memory, everything is dumped in the cache server side, your character is deleted from the server and you enter the character creation process with the relevant bonuses tied to your TR number and all... Once you have finished all your new character data are sent to the server, including the Unique Cache Number that will allows you to get it back.


I let some of us around here with imagination think about some other things possible during the TR process... There's one thing that comes to my mind that I haven't experimented that could lead to lots of Fun, Vault version of Fun.

Asheras wrote on Jan 21^st, 2019 at 12:34pm:



Probably slowing down, making sure your connection is solid and relatively lag free, and making sure you don't have excessive apps running would be a good start.

NoGoodDoc wrote on Jan 20^th, 2019 at 7:25pm:


Let me just say I'm sorry to have upset you, I certainly didn't want to do that, please accept my apology for doing so because this is just a game in the end and it's not worth hurting a fellow enthusiast feeling for me. Sounds like your buddy is a good guy who had bad luck, it is unfortunate that he hadn't heard about the bug and the way it occasionally gets exploited before he TR'd but then even long-time players can't be expected to know everything going on. If he and the posters had been lucky enough to know about it I'm sure they would have taken screen shots of their inventories and list-outs as before TR'ing like many of us other oldtimers do as insurance against a really really rare problem that has been exacerbated by some foolish people who sought to exploit it. What a bummer.




Asheras wrote on Jan 21^st, 2019 at 9:56am:



Yes it's really foolish and shortsided, I've posted elsewhere we have had some of younger and rather rash guildies do it and brag about the results not realizing that they were really hurting the game and content creation by siderailing the limited resources of SSG. 

You have a good point about maybe ending it, I'm going to give that some proper thought.


Flav wrote on Jan 21^st, 2019 at 11:51am:


^ Sigh.  Please refer to my comments about short sighted and rash choices that damage the game for all of the people that want to play it and ongoign content. You seem pretty intelligent, at least enough so that you should know better than to float things like this that have little chance of success for those unwise enough to chase it and the more time and money it could cost SSG.

Rubbinns wrote on Jan 21^st, 2019 at 2:11pm:


Why fix a shitty system that always sucked for the players, even when it was working?

Just get rid of it and replace it with something that doesn't break and cost people all their loot and doesn't make me spend 15-30 min (or longer) every time I want to TR.   And doesn't shove all my loot into a randomly organized window of 200-280 items that has no search capability.  Fuck that. 

The 15-30 minutes to empty it is only a portion of the time costs of this terrible interface.   Every time I go to pull something out of the TR cache as I level, it takes another 5 minutes or more.   How many times have I bounced around between alts looking for something only to find it hidden in a TR cache somewhere?

Asheras wrote on Jan 21^st, 2019 at 6:25pm:

No, you're right. I just think charging people to fix their mistake is shitty business practice, downright predatory. Though that is SSG's M.O., so...

ILoveExploits wrote on Jan 21^st, 2019 at 9:00pm:


Have we seen Lessers fuck up in this manner?

Bishop wrote on Jan 21^st, 2019 at 4:52pm:


Hmmm... the Pom Pom is strong in this one.  Much ra ra has he