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Jan 10th, 2019 at 3:56pm
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Tes wanted me to post.  This is my current build, a 92 point uber completionist fury thrower.  Halfling for crit range.  Fighter for multiplier. Sun stance most of the time for multiplier. Currently sitting at 268ish ranged power in reaper with action boosts for red named adrenaline beat down.

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8/6/6 Monk/Fighter/Ranger
Halfling


Level Order
1. Ranger          6. Ranger         11. Monk           16. Fighter
2. Monk            7. Ranger         12. Monk           17. Fighter
3. Ranger          8. Monk           13. Fighter        18. Fighter
4. Ranger          9. Monk           14. Fighter        19. Monk
5. Ranger         10. Monk           15. Fighter        20. Monk


Stats
               36pt     Tome     Level Up
               ----     ----     --------
Strength         6       +8       4: DEX
Dexterity       20       +8       8: DEX
Constitution    14       +8      12: DEX
Intelligence    14       +8      16: DEX
Wisdom          15       +8      20: DEX
Charisma         8       +8      24: DEX
                                 28: DEX

Feats
1        : Point Blank Shot
2 Monk   : Precision
3        : Completionist
6        : Quick Draw
8 Monk   : Shuriken Expertise
9        : Improved Critical: Thrown
12        : Past Life: Rogue
12 Monk   : Ten Thousand Stars
13 Fighter: Improved Precise Shot
14 Fighter: Weapon Focus: Thrown
15        : Master of Forms
16 Fighter: Power Critical
18        : Grandmaster of Forms
18 Fighter: Weapon Specialization: Thrown
21 Epic   : Overwhelming Critical
24 Epic   : Combat Archery
26 Destiny: Pierce Damage Reduction: Adamantine
27 Epic   : Blinding Speed
28 Destiny: Doubleshot
29 Destiny: Harbinger of Chaos
30 Epic   : Epic Reflexes
30 Legend : Scion of: Arborea

Enhancements (80+12 AP)

Deepwood Stalker (38 AP)
    • Far Shot, Sneak Attack, Sniper Shot
         1. Favored Defense I, Stealthy III
         2. Faster Sneaking III, Improved Weapon Finesse, Melee/Range Power Boost III
         3. Thrill of the Hunt III, Aimed Shot, Dexterity
         4. Killer III, Merciful Shot, Leg Shot, Dexterity
         5. Heavy Draw, Strikes Like Lightning, Head Shot, Improved Archer's Focus

Harper Agent (18 AP)
    • Agent of Good I, Dexterity, Agent of Good II
         1. Harper Enchantment, Traveler's Toughness II
         2. Versatile Adept III, Know the Angles III
         3. Versatile Adept II, Dexterity

Halfling (16 AP)
    • Halfling Luck, Dexterity, Halfling Luck II, Dexterity II, Halfling Luck III
         1. Stealthy I, Cunning III
         2. Halfling Guile
         3. Skillful Thrower, Halfling Guile
         4. Master Thrower

Kensei (13 AP)
    • Kensei Focus: Martial Arts, Spiritual Bond, Strike with No Thought
         1. Extra Action Boost II, Weapon Group Specialization
         2. Weapon Group Specialization
         3. Dexterity

Ninja Spy (7 AP)
    • Basic Ninja Training, Advanced Ninja Training
         1. Stealthy III, Sneak Attack Training

Twists 3/3/3/1/1:
Whirling Wrists
Meld
Grim Precision
Dance of Flowers
Cocoon

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Head: Legendary Unbreakable Stormreach Guardian's Helm
Goggles: CC Int 15, Ins Wis 7, True Seeing
Neck: Legendary Dawn Herald's Charm
Trinket: SL concentration/Qual Con/Seeker/Sheltering
Armor: Legendary Disciple of Dawn
Cloak: Legendary Shadowhail Cloak
Wrist: Legendary Fallen Hero
Belt: Legendary Braided Cutcord
Ring1: Legendary Ring of Nightfall
Ring2: Legendary Ring of Prowess
Boots: Legendary Shadow's Footsteps
Hands: Legendary Crumbling Gloves
Main hand: Spite
Offhand: TF Kama Dragon's Edge
  
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Reply #1 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 4:18pm
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Should be Scion Ethereal

Rest looks pretty good for the split. This was my preferred split for a long time, eventually switched to 14m/6r as other peoples DPS tests showed that the synergy between 10K doubleshot was greater for generating adrenalines and doing more damage from them than the multiplier was from the fighter levels.

Are you looking for gear tetris input or something else?

ps: this build was completely amazing when I ran it and posted it 2 years ago, I'm super pumped to see it still has legs and has gotten even better with Racial AP addition.

Is there a reason you prefer Arborea over Ethereal?
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Reply #2 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 4:29pm
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good shit ty for posting
  

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Reply #3 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 4:40pm
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harharharhar wrote on Jan 10th, 2019 at 4:18pm:
Should be Scion Ethereal 


On an adrenaline you get a multiplicative effectiveness of RP due to the crit multi. 20 RP works out to about 17% more damage. "(368/348)*3"

The 33 SA damage from ethereal plane only scales with the 400%. Throwers get something like 300 base damage so that's a 10% increase of damage.

My math could be off by a bit but that's my understanding of Arborea. You don't need to be landing sneak attacks and it makes your bursts more impactful.
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Reply #4 - Jan 10th, 2019 at 4:43pm
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WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Jan 10th, 2019 at 4:40pm:
On an adrenaline you get a multiplicative effectiveness of RP due to the crit multi. 20 RP works out to about 17% more damage. "(368/348)*3"

The 33 SA damage from ethereal plane only scales with the 400%. Throwers get something like 300 base damage so that's an increase of 10%.

My math could be off by a bit but that's my understanding of Arborea. You don't need to be landing sneak attacks and it makes your bursts more impactful.


no that's legit, and I actually always suspected they were sort of a wash given SA applicability vs. RP considerations vs Base Damage vs Multiplier, people liked to make a really big stink about Ethereal, but truth be told I usually ran with Arborea most lives because I liked bigger crits, sue me.
  
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Reply #5 - Jan 11th, 2019 at 6:43am
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I've spent some time with Fred going back and forth on the Scion feat.  Arborea feels like more overall DPS and I don't spend time worrying about SA immune enemies.  Anyway it's a lot of fun for me to play.  Maybe it'll be fun for someone else.
  
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Reply #6 - Jan 14th, 2019 at 4:23pm
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Have you tried LD? It's pretty sweet in infinite action boost mode.
Have you tried Falconry (with DI)? It's pretty sweet dumping Int.
Have you tried moar helpless damage?

WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Jan 10th, 2019 at 4:40pm:
The 33 SA damage from ethereal plane only scales with the 400%. Throwers get something like 300 base damage so that's a 10% increase of damage.


I wouldn't listen to this guy. He apparently doesn't know that sneak attack scales with 1.5x RP and helpless.

lucidadeath wrote on Jan 11th, 2019 at 6:43am:
I've spent some time with Fred going back and forth on the Scion feat.  Arborea feels like more overall DPS and I don't spend time worrying about SA immune enemies.


I definitely wouldn't bother with Sneak of Shadows if you're not doing Scion of Ethereal. Scion of Ethereal is generally better, but yeah it is a fiddly pain in the ass kinda thing. It makes you want to switch to Shadowdancer for the inherent SA immunity bypass proc when you know you're going into SA immune content with no rogue to remove it.
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5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 14th, 2019 at 4:23pm:
Have you tried LD? It's pretty sweet in infinite action boost mode.
Have you tried Falconry (with DI)? It's pretty sweet dumping Int.
Have you tried moar helpless damage?


I wouldn't listen to this guy. He apparently doesn't know that sneak attack scales with 1.5x RP and helpless.

The Sneak Attack Damage can not critically hit and is unaffected by Vulnerability and additional damage against helpless monsters.

There is a google doc that foppy linked detailing the extensive testing of all damage types inside reaper and the scaling from elite all the way through to 10 skulls. I'm pretty sure he didn't skip sneak attack damage in those results.
  

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Reply #8 - Jan 14th, 2019 at 4:45pm
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The Vulnerability proc only affects energy damage.

Testing sneak attack helpless scaling was confusing if you're watching the floaty number scroll, because for some reason the damage is added to the base number, not the sneak attack number. But it kind of makes sense from the perspective of the combat log, because it treats base damage + sneak attack damage as the same number.
  

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Reply #9 - Jan 14th, 2019 at 6:37pm
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Thanks for the ideas.

I've done LD.   I like fury better in most cases.  9 Action boosts is plenty most of the time.  Even for the animatics daily beat down in the r10 good intentions.

I haven't tried falconry.  Would love to dump INT.   The item swap for KTA is annoying.

Not so concerned about helpless damage anyway.  Trash goes down fast anyway.  Spending 22 points in ninja spy when not focused on SA damage seemed like a waste. Especially when picking up the SA dice in racial.

I'm actually not running SoS now but it was in my planner when setup the feats. I switched to barb PL for the rage clickie with a blood feast swap item to get me out of trouble from time to time.

5 Foot Step wrote on Jan 14th, 2019 at 4:23pm:
Have you tried LD? It's pretty sweet in infinite action boost mode.
Have you tried Falconry (with DI)? It's pretty sweet dumping Int.
Have you tried moar helpless damage?


I wouldn't listen to this guy. He apparently doesn't know that sneak attack scales with 1.5x RP and helpless.


I definitely wouldn't bother with Sneak of Shadows if you're not doing Scion of Ethereal. Scion of Ethereal is generally better, but yeah it is a fiddly pain in the ass kinda thing. It makes you want to switch to Shadowdancer for the inherent SA immunity bypass proc when you know you're going into SA immune content with no rogue to remove it.

  
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Reply #10 - Jan 14th, 2019 at 6:38pm
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He apparently doesn't know that sneak attack scales with 1.5x RP and helpless.


My god you and sobby can be melodramatic. Does the 20 RP scales your other SA damage? You have about as much RP as base damage; however, ( ! ) the RP scales your damage better than the SA because....

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On an adrenaline you get a multiplicative effectiveness of RP due to the crit multi.


You didn't answer this point. The proportion of the damage of a fury shotter that comes through adrenaline is important. You chimed in that I was wrong without any math.  Kiss I did provide some math.

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My spreadsheet tested whether or not the helpless SA was added to front number. I found that it did in fact add to the front number.

The helpless damage is added to the front number AFTER the critical multiplier is calculated. You do not get to multiply your SA by crits.

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The Vulnerability proc only affects energy damage.

It affects physical damage. When you're gonna fury shot, you stack vulnerability stacks first with an LGS.

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Have you tried LD? It's pretty sweet in infinite action boost mode.
Have you tried Falconry (with DI)? It's pretty sweet dumping Int.
Have you tried moar helpless damage?


LD is much shittier in my experience.
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Reply #11 - Jan 14th, 2019 at 10:51pm
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WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Jan 14th, 2019 at 6:38pm:
My god you and sobby can be melodramatic. Does the 20 RP scales your other SA damage? You have about as much RP as base damage; however, ( ! ) the RP scales your damage better than the SA because....


You didn't answer this point. The proportion of the damage of a fury shotter that comes through adrenaline is important. You chimed in that I was wrong without any math.  Kiss I did provide some math.

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@Rubbins' point

My spreadsheet tested whether or not the helpless SA was added to front number. I found that it did in fact add to the front number.

The helpless damage is added to the front number AFTER the critical multiplier is calculated. You do not get to multiply your SA by crits.

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It affects physical damage. When you're gonna fury shot, you stack vulnerability stacks first with an LGS.

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LD is much shittier in my experience.


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Reply #12 - Jan 15th, 2019 at 1:03pm
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WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Jan 14th, 2019 at 6:38pm:
My god you and sobby can be melodramatic. Does the 20 RP scales your other SA damage? You have about as much RP as base damage; however, ( ! ) the RP scales your damage better than the SA because....


Sorry, I misread your post. I thought "400%" was referring to 4 attacks per animation. Yes, Arborea may well be the better choice if you are married to Fury.

Your comparison still seems confused to me though. Citing "33" sneak attack seems to be comparing just the (slightly off) damage of the Sneak of Shadows feat to Scion of Arborea.

Edited:
I just reran the Arborea vs Ethereal calcs for my build. Switching to Arborea would be 2125.8915 less average redname damage per animation (~1340 less without SoS active) and 6575.469075 less average trash damage per animation (~4181 less without SoS active)
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Reply #13 - Feb 3rd, 2019 at 5:09am
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OK looking at this, I just wanted to play something different. No more casters for a bit. Think leveling might be a bit slow but I guess this is more end game.

Prob start with melee, twf?
  
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Reply #14 - Feb 4th, 2019 at 2:25pm
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You could take heavy repeater at 3 and swap for completionist later.
  
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yep that might work, shuri is a bit painful at low level.
  
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Reply #16 - Feb 5th, 2019 at 12:17pm
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Whatamidoing wrote on Feb 5th, 2019 at 11:46am:
yep that might work, shuri is a bit tear your eyes out with a fork painful at low level.



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WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Feb 6th, 2019 at 4:19pm:
i got the fork



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Man, understatement after playing Sorc. I needed a break from the graphics. Now I need a break from super slow ranger. This was a mistake!

Thinking again after making level 7, lots of ranger level might have to go twf. Can not wait to get a few more levels and switch to something that resembles dps. It was a long time ago when I did my last shuri life. Still will just post lfms and hope to get carried.
  
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Reply #21 - Feb 9th, 2019 at 10:24pm
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Whatamidoing wrote on Feb 9th, 2019 at 12:03pm:
Man, understatement after playing Sorc. I needed a break from the graphics. Now I need a break from super slow ranger. This was a mistake!

Thinking again after making level 7, lots of ranger level might have to go twf. Can not wait to get a few more levels and switch to something that resembles dps. It was a long time ago when I did my last shuri life. Still will just post lfms and hope to get carried.


use haste pots, and TWF with wraps, what's the big deal? Is this a first life character or something?
  
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Reply #22 - Feb 10th, 2019 at 1:58am
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nah not first life, just playing around with the leveling.

I guess swapping feats is gonna help it a bit more, bow is too slow.

  
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