Rubbinns wrote on Jan 18^th, 2019 at 12:31am:

Call it The Bukowski. All that lowlife experience....

I am very glad they did this, and I hope they follow through.

My main used (and stockpiled) longswords and eventually swapped to rapiers (Elf for all Heroic lives) because longswords were so suboptimal. Now she can go back and has an excuse to farm a Soulrazor.

My main alt is always a Dwarf and has a huge stockpile of Dwaxes and GrAxes, and even farmed out dual Deathnips, but I tossed all the hammers and battleaxes because again, suboptimal. Now he can roll a Warpriest of Onatar build and not suck hopelessly.

It is frankly amazing that they identified this issue, and while this solution isn't perfect, it's better than nothing, and opens up a lot of options.

Also, I'm surprised nobody brought up some of the good sleepers:

- Watchers Blade
- Nightforge Hammer
- Nightforge Avengers Blade
- Coronation
- Phosphor
- Axe of Adaxus
- Unkor's Cleaver
- Threnalian Warblade
- Morrnh
- Oathblade
- Sirroco/ Epic Sirroco (which I sold...  )
- Forge

That's just off the top of my head. This was a needed change, even if it was 12 years late...

Only downside to Scoundrels and Xoriat-Forged is that the Chaotic aligned makes them kind of a No Go for Whirling Steel Monk builds (unless you don't care about the Neg Level, in which case go ahead and fill your boots).

There were a bunch of forgotten weapons that suddenly have relevance again.

And I'm 100% OK with that.

Now I gotta theorycraft some Longsword Monk-Tempest vs Vistani Monk Tempest DPS comparisons for those Scourge lives I have to cross off my DDO bucket list.

See you in builds, 5fs... 

Hmm, just realized this is going to leave out hand axes sadly. Hope someone suggests hand axes get the battle axes treatment.

Dickbutt wrote on Jan 27^th, 2019 at 1:15pm:


While that's true, it never hurts to try and slip one in if you can.

Edrein wrote on Jan 27^th, 2019 at 2:17pm:

would just like to point out that this was in reply to a poster named dickbutt

Slipping one by is apparently easier than in.

Technomage wrote on Jan 27^th, 2019 at 3:28pm:

I think all those builds need are 5 barb levels and 3 bard levels at a minimum + LD to get the crit range benefits.

Asheras wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 9:55am:


LD just adds a 19-20 multiplier. You can get 14-20x5 in DC.

So what does a swash Bardbarian build look like? Because it sounds awesome.

Technomage wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 2:24pm:


I wasn't counting that one because you get it with every weapon, but yes.

Technomage wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 11:11am:


You would want to add a class that gets value from the base class features, not just the AP.   

what do all those Bard/Barb levels do for you vs. fighter feats for tactics, MP, etc?  I'm sure there are some options in builds or on the forums.  This has been a good target build for months.

Asheras wrote on Jan 28^th, 2019 at 4:00pm:


It appears so.