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Reply #25 - Feb 8th, 2019 at 6:34pm
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Asheras wrote on Feb 8th, 2019 at 4:37pm:
If you want to bitch about a company or person not being perfect, that's your choice.


So you try to correct me and end up being wrong, and this is how you respond? Heh, figures.

It's fun to talk a little shit about SSG. I have to assume that is at least one of the reasons for this forum, no?

Asheras wrote on Feb 8th, 2019 at 4:37pm:
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Go for it if you like. But since the point of this particular thread was No Worries, what "solution" do you purpose? It was right for them to nerf the item, it just should have been done in the beginning, when I'm sure someone pointed it out to them.
  

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Reply #26 - Feb 8th, 2019 at 7:24pm
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They should have nerfed it but not so much.   Keep it top notch for the level vs massively higher.
  
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Reply #27 - Feb 8th, 2019 at 11:05pm
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Asheras wrote on Feb 8th, 2019 at 4:37pm:
If you want to bitch about a company or person not being perfect, that's your choice.   I think it is pointless.   Shit is going to happen.   Show me the software company that doesn't have bugs or mistakes.

But most companies don't screw up and then tell their customers "fuck you" on top of it.  That's where SSG always goes wrong.

For example, my company runs a weekly report on "perfect order" percentage.  The criteria for perfect orders are that the customer got exactly what they ordered, in the quantities they ordered and it was delivered on the initially promised date.  That number is usually in the 95%+ range.  When it dips below that, the Perfect Order committee dives into what went wrong and how to make sure it doesn't happen again during their weekly meeting.

Additionally, any time we have a non-perfect order, that customer automatically gets their shipping charges refunded or a comparable credit on their account if their shipping was already free as a way of apologizing for our mistake.

Oddly enough, we don't have a lot of our customers telling us that we suck.  We also have about half the average amount of customer and employee churn for our industry.  Not churning away your customers is another foreign concept to SSG.
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Reply #28 - Feb 9th, 2019 at 6:02am
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Dark_Helmet wrote on Feb 8th, 2019 at 3:14am:
stealth nerf that wasn't even in the release notes.

They did the exact same thing with the armors from the Dragon pack quests. Those armors had the unique effect on them of being one armor category class lower than their type for MDB. I thought it was clever and made sense thematically because it is legendary dragon scale. Not that anyone was going to wear that armor in epics, but for heroics it is an option. They changed the values back to respective armor category, somewhere within this past year. And it has never made any release notes. 

The NoWorries armor nerf is because Sharn is focusing on medium and heavy armors. And they can't have some event armor be better than Sharn armor, so.
  

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Reply #29 - Feb 12th, 2019 at 10:29pm
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For my part I could give two shits about the armor.  Sorry Ash, your reading comprehension is obviously shit.  Not sure if you're just an idiot or intentionally obtuse or what.  Probably some crusty old cumshot from your last SSG white knighting.  You should really wash better.

Anyways.

The problem is this is a huge hit to what little integrity they had left.  It's pretty obvious now that they'll nerf items to promote sales of their new shit.

It just doesn't make sense otherwise. 

Steel is on record saying that he regrets the Pansophic Circlet making it into the game and that he would like to remove it.  Yet it stays.

Invuln armor has been in the game since...what...when did Cannith Crafting go live and that made levels 1-9 trivial for how many years before Reaper became a thing?

You can make an ML1 weapon that does like 5d6 bonus damage when normal ML1 dropped/named gear is obviously next levels of ass.

Silver longbow, an ML8 weapon, is still a contender at level 30 because of the crit profile, yet that's never been touched.

And so on and so forth.

DDO is filled with items that stand outside the norm so this is pretty obviously a "Sharn is coming and since we suck dick at making good content, mudflated gear is all we have left" nerf. 

I mean notice that it's totally okay for Ravenloft to have the best caster belts in the game by a metric fuckmile.  There simply isn't another item that competes until legendary belts but that's A-OK.  Silent avenger set?  Okay with us!

Yeah, this has nothing to do with game balance and everything to do with selling Sharn.
  
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Reply #30 - Feb 13th, 2019 at 5:41pm
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Slick Stick wrote on Feb 8th, 2019 at 1:49pm:
I think you are missing the point then. The butt hurt is not really about No Worries, it's about SSG's ineptitude in dealing with these type of situations in general.



I'm sorry to have to disagree, but the anger is about No Worries the theme of 'SSG's ineptitude' is something adopted by folks who became embarrassed after they were called out for being so silly about some armor change.

Seems it's always a 'crisis' for some people. It's Always SSG "did this to me!" or "did that to hurt me"
  
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Reply #31 - Feb 13th, 2019 at 11:23pm
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The whole point about nerfs is that it means they failed to design and playtest things properly in the first place.
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Reply #32 - Feb 13th, 2019 at 11:52pm
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Reply #33 - Feb 14th, 2019 at 12:26am
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Reply #34 - Feb 14th, 2019 at 4:40am
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Nerf one level 5 armor to sale Sharn?  Level 5 content isn't challenging.  Sharn is designed for 15 and 30.  An expansion that 99.9% of people will decide to buy or not with no fucks given about some level 5 armor.

That might be the stupidest take for this year Zehn.
  
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Reply #35 - Feb 14th, 2019 at 12:11pm
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Trollero wrote on Feb 14th, 2019 at 4:40am:
Nerf one level 5 armor to sale Sharn?

Do you really believe nerfing one armor is going to sell sharn? Or that, more likely, is that by nerfing one armor, that the sharn armors become better by proxy? That a lv 5 event item beats level 10 and 15 items that it could possibly dissuade players from equipping the new armors until cap? And if no one is going to equip it, then no one is going to farm it?

It was not an error. They released No Worries the way it is and kept it that way until they decided to focus on non-light armors in Sharn. It never even crossed their minds before as an error, let alone in need of nerfing. Wasn't even on any radars.

They didn't nerf it to sell sharn. They nerfed it to make sharn armors look better at level 15.
  

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Reply #36 - Feb 14th, 2019 at 12:55pm
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Rubbinns wrote on Feb 14th, 2019 at 12:11pm:
They didn't nerf it to sell sharn. They nerfed it to make sharn armors look better at level 15.

Seems legit.
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Reply #37 - Feb 14th, 2019 at 2:09pm
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Rubbinns wrote on Feb 14th, 2019 at 12:11pm:
Do you really believe nerfing one armor is going to sell sharn? Or that, more likely, is that by nerfing one armor, that the sharn armors become better by proxy? That a lv 5 event item beats level 10 and 15 items that it could possibly dissuade players from equipping the new armors until cap? And if no one is going to equip it, then no one is going to farm it?

It was not an error. They released No Worries the way it is and kept it that way until they decided to focus on non-light armors in Sharn. It never even crossed their minds before as an error, let alone in need of nerfing. Wasn't even on any radars.

They didn't nerf it to sell sharn. They nerfed it to make sharn armors look better at level 15.


Have you seen the Sharn armor stats?  No need to answer since that is rhetorical.  Because if you had you would know that is incorrect.
  
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Reply #38 - Feb 14th, 2019 at 2:19pm
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Trollero wrote on Feb 14th, 2019 at 2:09pm:
Have you seen the Sharn armor stats?  No need to answer since that is rhetorical.  Because if you had you would know that is incorrect.

Unless level 15 sharn armors have AC that is even close to the range of old NoWorries, then it doesn't matter...

We can assume, rhetorically, that Sharn armors do not have ac that is close to pre-nerf NoWorries, so.
  

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I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Rubbinns wrote on Feb 14th, 2019 at 2:19pm:
We can ass u me

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Rubbinns wrote on Feb 14th, 2019 at 12:11pm:
That a lv 5 event item beats level 10 and 15 items that it could possibly dissuade players from equipping the new armors until cap? And if no one is going to equip it, then no one is going to farm it?

Who bothers to waste time farming ML10 and ML15 stuff at level regardless?  Given how easy and more importantly how fast you can blow through heroics on even mediocre builds these days, it's just stupid.  Better off to hit 30 then spend maybe an hour zerg-farming what you want for your next TRs while capped.
  
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Reply #41 - Feb 14th, 2019 at 3:26pm
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Snu Snu wrote on Feb 14th, 2019 at 2:33pm:
fixed that for you



Meh  Roll Eyes
  

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Reply #42 - Feb 14th, 2019 at 3:33pm
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Digimonk wrote on Feb 14th, 2019 at 3:25pm:
Given how easy and more importantly how fast you can blow

I totally thought you were going somewhere else with this.
  

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Reply #43 - Feb 14th, 2019 at 4:54pm
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Digimonk wrote on Feb 14th, 2019 at 3:25pm:
Who bothers to waste time farming ML10 and ML15 stuff at level regardless?  Given how easy and more importantly how fast you can blow through heroics on even mediocre builds these days, it's just stupid.  Better off to hit 30 then spend maybe an hour zerg-farming what you want for your next TRs while capped.

They're gonna have to now that their go-to heavy armor for 5-20 is trash ;p. I didn't mean farm at level. Just farming for those armors in general is way less likely if they had kept NoWorries at 25 AC ml5.
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Reply #44 - Feb 14th, 2019 at 7:01pm
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Revaulting wrote on Feb 14th, 2019 at 3:33pm:
I totally thought you were going somewhere else with this.


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Reply #45 - Feb 14th, 2019 at 7:05pm
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Rubbinns wrote on Feb 14th, 2019 at 4:54pm:
They're gonna have to now that their go-to heavy armor for 5-20 is trash ;p. I didn't mean farm at level. Just farming for those armors in general is way less likely if they had kept NoWorries at 25 AC ml5. 

As opposed to just facerolling the keyboard while wearing some RNG ML5 armor because heroics are so dumbed down by the constant powercreep that it doesn't matter what gear you wear until mid-epics?
  
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Reply #46 - Feb 14th, 2019 at 7:13pm
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Revaulting wrote on Feb 14th, 2019 at 3:33pm:
I totally thought you were going somewhere else with this.

Just remember this is SSG we're talking about so easy and fast is probably not where you want to be:

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Digimonk wrote on Feb 14th, 2019 at 3:25pm:
Given how easy and more importantly how fast you can blow through heroics

Not everyone does this.  I play DDO as a game to have fun in static groups, so I am much more time invested in getting something that requires 'farming'.  I'm also more gear dependent with no/few past lives on my characters.  I took the time to get party favors to get the armor at every level, because the stats were worth the effort.  I slotted augments and now I have to unslot them.  Sure, I have tools from daily dice, sure I can buy some from the store.  Not the point, they took from me either through ineptitude (which is more likely) or shenanigans and I don't like that.   Not a deal breaker for me, but this nonsense does add up over time and for some, this will affect their game time or decision to purchase.

The fair solution would have been to make it equivalent to crafted armor, but they won't cause that would look 'weak'.
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Reply #48 - Feb 15th, 2019 at 1:27pm
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The armor wasn't that great. I grabbed one thinking it might be a nice TR twink, but never used it. Even if I had done a heavy armor class 1-20 during that time, I would have swapped it out at 10 for a Ravenloft set bonus.
  

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Reply #49 - Feb 15th, 2019 at 1:59pm
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5 Foot Step wrote on Feb 15th, 2019 at 1:27pm:
The armor wasn't that great. I grabbed one thinking it might be a nice TR twink, but never used it. Even if I had done a heavy armor class 1-20 during that time, I would have swapped it out at 10 for a Ravenloft set bonus.

But then you gotta wear a Feargaze and a shitty belt. Keeping NoWorries and 2 better items is way better than RL plate set for + 10% Ac.
  

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