As the other thread going discusses if any servers have high end raiding guilds.  I pose the question, which builds are good for reaper raids?

Basic catagories:
_{Melee tempest ranger 20, melee rogue, wolf 18/1/1, Ein/frog monks, pure fighter
Ranged: Thrower
Caster warlock 20
Healer FvS 20 beacon build,}
There might be many sub catagories, but let's here it.

you need people with brain, main problem is people gets divided and does not organize and play in sinergy (exception for few guilds i guess, but the numbers are low and anyway restricted)

it's not like you have 1 build that is good for everything. You get a target, figure what is needed for that achievement and go for it.

The higher the skulls the higher pre-oganization is needed.

On cannith people wipes KT on normal, what are we talking about??? xD

yardarm_ wrote on Mar 7^th, 2019 at 2:59pm:

Added to the list.  I'll add a few too.

organization is the key of the game for endgame

You organize the build before doing it, otherwise you suck.
Ofc to do that you need knowledge of the game, and yours is a good starting point, but is also needed a knowledge of the raid.

For example for baba you need 2 tanks, for other raid 2 tanks might be useful but not mandatory.

you want a A-star team?

there you go

2 fvs healer beacon
1 bard buffer
1 tank
(1 caster cc, can't recall a endgame raid where is needed tho, fvs frog is far enough)
rest dps, melee better than ranged, but of course the more different builds the more sinergy
(20 ranger, uba druid, 20 rogue, etc)

but build is not everything, you need gear, so you need to organize and farm it!

organization is the key

most people are lazy and plays this game like a shooter game. it's true you need skills to use at best a build, but without the brain to create it and set (and get) good gear there is no such thing like high skull raids.

pinkpuff wrote on Mar 7^th, 2019 at 3:28pm:


You can solo heal yourself up to r3 in kt with the cleric tank variant while group does portal phases

Omni seems to use a wide range of builds for specific roles. Lava Divers as well. They're all up on youtube.

Some not mentioned :

Throwers in Shroud for Portals and Strahd. 14/6.

Wolves in KT. 8/6/6 11/8/1

20 Wizard in everything.


pinkpuff wrote on Mar 7^th, 2019 at 3:28pm:


Wolves do more dps on any test than any other melees, and it translates to any hit point threshold. On all in game build tests run by various end game player from across servers to pure kobold spec'd versions. They put up great times without needing to Dust/Vac swap the kobold. And the more debuff/buffs a party can stack the more retarded the base damage and critical hits become. They are an actual problem to Fighter and Barbarian development. 

The higher the hp test the better builds like Wolf and Assassin become due to the 90 second cooldown of 1k cuts for Tempests. Assassins also have a unique advantage against grazing and DR/PRR because sneak damage hits for full against them. And they can gib every thing.

It's a very diverse melee meta currently. A melee monk is always wanted for Jade/Knock/Tomb. THF Fighter and THF Barbarian need a huge push soon that doesn't also work for Druids. Maybe after they update Paladin.   

And outside of raids there are a few more builds not listed that do well for high skull reaper dailies.

Absolutely right about Tempest! The one nice thing about them though is they're still top end DPS and can be great outside of raids as well. Assassins are too but the dogs considerably less so.

I'll take your word for it about the dogs. The one I ran for a few days put up silly numbers but I didn't do any actual comparisons and it didn't feel like much more total DPS than the tempest I ran. Regardless of where the 3 prime melee builds stand against each other they're all significantly better than the rest in terms of DPS.

pinkpuff wrote on Mar 7^th, 2019 at 3:28pm:

Interesting tech but frog DC is ~6 lower than WIS casters: 3 EA core, 1 PL wiz, 2 from scion.  When I was running a WIS FvS, a 6 Frog DC delta was noticeably disappointing.

pinkpuff wrote on Mar 7^th, 2019 at 6:23pm:

Gotcha, raids only. Was thinking too broadly. Carry on.

Asheras wrote on Mar 7^th, 2019 at 3:14pm:


You know our secret:
LD party makeup "ok, raid night...bring what you want"

If we do let outsiders in, it is "make sure it isn't a dumb fuck who can't follow instructions"

WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 7:39am:


Bard splitted with barb.

Better dps than pure bard, still good buffs, ear smash is tier1, ez to get

pinkpuff wrote on Mar 7^th, 2019 at 3:28pm:


Sounds to me like someone don't know how to make an EK... I'm currently on a 18 wiz/2 monk.... every hit is like 3 substantial hits...not including doublestrike and off hand hits.
(each hit is regular melee damage, 1000 spell power spell 6D10 spell sword, plus 1000 spell power scion 2D20 damage with 60% crit chance on that third hit...) 75% double strike, 90% off hand....never ending haste boosts with LD)

Also has near 100 DC for evocation CC... 110 reflex save/evasion, 2400 HP, 50% dodge, 30% incorp in wraith form.

Seems to me like you all have a problem in seeing any type of character that doesn't fit into the standard 4 archetypes (tank, dps, caster/healer).    And when you see the game from such a narrow perspective and then force that perspective on everyone else in voice chat.. putting eveyrone in a little tiny box.. it deflates the enjoyement  and makes people not want to play the game.
COuld be just me of course, but I think that is what is going on in the other thread as well.

pinkpuff wrote on Mar 8^th, 2019 at 1:03pm:


Your right.. but you should also consider adjusting the type of experience your pushing if you want to attract more people to play at that level.  Its not for lack of ability that I don't play high reaper end game raids.. its because I don't like the approach that everyone is taking.