personally as a bard player who hybrids casting and melee with an emphasis on support, fatesinger was already hitting all my bases with some simple twists. this incarnation helps alot more to focus what was great about fatesinger but cut some of the fat.

Most of the good parts of Fragments are staying, the 10% spell cost reduction is getting moved to masquerade and all the good parts of the other are being reborn in a stable static bladesong. If i'm reading it right it looks like the sonic vuln got moved down to harmonic resonance, but i can't honestly say I'm right.

The real interesting part is the hymns. Again, this could be a reading fail, but it looks like you will be able to take multiples and dole them out to party members at your discretion. That's absolutely better than the old system by a damn sight, being able to drop some mp on your best guy or your worst guy to help out the party? not a bad expense for 2 ap. Maybe that's something that was already picked up on and was shrugged off as not being that great? I dunno as support it sounds like arcane martial and divine are clear winners for me to drop 6 ap on easy.

New pastlives = OK. Its again reason for me to do 1-30 and not only 1-20 train .. fine with me.

Magister = Previously weak destiny is now HOT for DC caster IMHO and that reworked Arcane Tempest feels HOT on paper too.

Others = mostly usefull buffs and some weak abilities got buffed to be considered now.

Wery nice all around plans IMHO. Especially for me with all epics pasts completed running for racials now to be able run 2 pasts with 1-30 again and some of them can get nice bump in epics

Magister seems now like really potent tree for some casters to do both : higher reapers with DCs and zerg with AoE thru the rest.

Edrein wrote on Jun 5^th, 2019 at 1:36am:


Don't get me wrong, Fatesinger will be obviously better. But I don't know who should use it. Definitely not caster bards (though I might try, unless I TR before that). So melee probably.

I like to compare the tree with Shadowdancer.
* (Martial Hymn= can be twisted)
* offense: 6d6 sneak attack in cores alone seems to be stronger than all in fatesinger
* defense: evasion, sealed life, 25% incorp vs ... hmm... 6 PRR, neutralize poison, TS, no-blind, and some +saves, 20 amp

EDIT: I might be wrong and it'll turn out to be excellent, fingers crossed. But most new abilities will probably be bugged and the rest nerfed.

crunch wrote on Jun 5^th, 2019 at 8:56am:


Shadow Dancer vs Fatesinger:

* 84 MP vs 60 MP and 85 USP from cores. Slight advantage Fatesinger once you factor in Scion feats.

* 6d6 sneak vs 2d6 sonic. Winner Shadow Dancer because any on-hit that scales with spellpower is usually sucky at 100% scaling compared to sneaks 200% melee power.

* 0 to hit/damage bonuses vs +6 to hit/damage and +18
USP. Winner Fatesinger.

* +15% fort bypass vs none. Winner Shadow Dancer.

* +6 saves, AC, and max dex bonus vs +7 saves, +6 ac (+9 potentially), +3 dodge, +6 SR, and +3 PRR (+6 potentially). Winner Fatesinger.

* 0 party play vs halved effects for party. Winner Fatesinger.

* +6 assassinate DC vs +2 spell DC, +2 Tactics DC, trueseeing and blindness immunity. Winner Fatesinger.

* 1 debuff; blindness from Shadowlance vs Sonic Vulnerability and AC reduction passive, and Grim Fate for unique stacking vulnerability. Winner Fatesinger.

* 11 active abilities, 3 of which are attacks, 2 on short CD, and the rest are +1 minutes vs 3 active abilities; 1 an SLA on a 6 second CD with built in CC, 2 are offensive song attacks one for damage and one for CC/debuffing. Wash.

* Final round: Burst damage. Activating both of Shadowdancer's burst abilities gives you the following for 30 seconds: 2d6 evil damage (doesn't scale), +5 to hit, and +2 sneak attack die. VS. Fatesinger's new Turn the Tide for 30 seconds: +3 to hit, +40% damage, DR 15/-, a +4 Charisma, and deals +5d10 +75 Sonic damage and +5d10 +75 Light damage per hit. Winner Fatesinger.

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I'm just comparing the 30 second clickies to it. So for those 30 seconds it's still the better damage.

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Arcane on Tank for the absorb. Divine on a healer. And frankly Martial for yourself. Unless you've got someone who can use the MP more than you. Which outside of a raid is a rarity.

crunch wrote on Jun 6^th, 2019 at 2:56am:


I legit forget Pierce the Gloom actually does anything besides cleanse blindness.

I left the Evasion, Incorporeal, and Sealed Life out of it because really there's no contest on those. Those are big factors for Shadowdancer.

But I think outside of those; Fatesinger once updated is going to far outshine Shadowdancer for a bard. And when I say Bard; I literally mean anyone that isn't a full blown swash tard; particularly any character sub 12 bard levels.

If you are full bard or near full bard 18 or so for our Warchanter friends. And you are melee. Fatesinger is going to be the destiny for you. If you are sub 18 bard; then I think Shadowdancer shines a lot more.

I imagine my current build on live will get about a 10-30% DPS increase given he's a Scoundrel with Feywild for the extra sonic on hit opposed to Aborea for raw damage. Between the extra 2d6 sonic, metric fuckton of extra USP, and the additional +10MP he'll be pulling and the other utility goodies I'm pretty excited.

But all of that hinges on whether or not Lynabel can deliver on the coding. Because after all: the current iteration of Elyd Charm requires "15 bard levels". Yet with 18 bard levels and sitting in fatesinger at 28 my character didn't actually get the effect. It wasn't tile I took Lasting Songs at 29 for the extra 6 'bard levels' that I hit the requirement. I imagine that she missed a number there and internally it is searching for 25-35 effective bard levels on a character. Or shit just went wonky for a minute. That being said it doesn't matter too much since Elyd Charm is conflicting with Sharn sets which is an absolute shame.

There's a god damn dev talking about how fun and powerful being a Barbarian with handwraps was in testing.

These fucking people are all awful at the game, not just fat fuck Cordo.

The comments they've made the last few days in these threads are very telling for how retarded they are and how little they understand of the play of their own god damn game rofl.

The EDs need more to be a desired destiny. Melee and Ranged builds, in high skulls, except of fury-throwers, are looking to keep up sustained damage and not bursts. There isn't even enough utility in other trees to make someone give up dps in exchange for Crowd Control abilities and buffing/debuffing. Bards excluded. And Monks already have the best utility out of all the dps builds.

GMOF can use (2W) weapon dice in the tier 5 somewhere, and make it for fists only. And offhand doublestrike % somewhere else. That could be enough to make it desirable enough for all dps classes aside THF.

Which brings us to Fury of the Wild. The tree can amp up glancing blow damage, weapon effects on glances are mostly trash in high skulls and that should be ignored. Make cleaves and cleave like attacks work with Adrenaline, but only if you have the GTHF style ( to exclude wolves from running in it ). 

Shadowdancer is okay, it just needs a slight push in dps. Maybe pushing all sneak dice to 1d8s as a tier 5? Rewards sneak dice builds.

Rubbinns wrote on Jun 7^th, 2019 at 5:12pm:


I wish they'd go 'back' on their changes for Fury a bit. Make it so that -BEAR- druids can benefit from the new THF changes. We get it; the devs hate fucking wolves. Hell, most of us even hate them.

But bears are getting fucked over at every opportunity due to wolves.

Bishop wrote on Jun 8^th, 2019 at 3:40am:


You can make them work in their current iteration. They aren't the king of any role imo, but they can effectively tank. And to an extent DPS with the glancing blows; particularly if you play in Fury with some of the primal twists.

The issue is; due to the way the devs tried to cater to both camps without giving either camp a definitive answer (tank vs glancing DPS) bears are left in a shitty spot. A shitty spot that is made worse because anything that can benefit animal form is nerfed/held back due to wolves 'overperforming' when they are splashed to the point you aren't really a druid anymore.

The fact the devs are making these changes to Fury and then saying, "They don't work with animal form." really translates to, "They don't work with wolf abominations." but they forgot bears exist so they're getting the proverbial shaft in the process.

Bishop wrote on Jun 8^th, 2019 at 3:40am:


Bears are super viable as tanks now if you know the tricks to them.