HelloKitty wrote on Jul 27^th, 2019 at 3:12pm:


The winner are those who don't use helplessness. So at heroics that means blasting warlocks and sorcerer. At cap there is incresingly less reason to bring a DC caster since 1) helpless damage is not as significant as before; 2) mobs have less effective HP meaning instakills are proportionally less powerful; 3) saves are going up against spells; 4) magic cc duration is reduced. Dire charge will be enough for CC, and soon the optimal R10 party is going to be x6 bladeforged/aasimar melee (probably already is for most quests) and were back in 2016. All depends on what are going to be the new reapers, but I don't think they're going to change much.

NOTpopejubal wrote on Jul 27^th, 2019 at 8:05pm:


If this is true there will be many daily gh walkups r10 zergs with lv 30s: 830 rxp base versus 1070 of a  lv 32 quest, while being dramatically easier

WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Jul 28^th, 2019 at 10:14am:


If you're going to use this argument you can apply the same to say R1, and definitely DC casters are not powerful in R1. Have to see the bigger picture. You're not considering the cooldowns. If you put that in relevance and the saved spells, and the champions that you can't do anything about, you kill stuff faster on a melee except in raid where mobs have more HP. Melee is killing trash in 2-5 seconds on R10. I don't feel very effective in killing some mobs that the party would crush in a few seconds anyways. Caster just get to look good because they don't have to land the killing blow to get kill, and  the blue chains from holds jump in the eyes over the other types of cc, but the real effectiveness is not what it looks.

Casters are generally redundant at endgame. Instakills have never been required. Competent DPS bring their own CC. When casters shine, they are still support characters enabling the bads. Then they twiddle their thumbs for the red name beatdown. Again, this is in general.

OTOH, good luck completing THTH without them.

Asheras wrote on Jul 29^th, 2019 at 11:51am:



Agreed.

Melee built in CC is fairly limited, and I do have a tactics fighter with SB, Sap, Trip etc. but the fact those are single target with long cooldowns (and also do not work on some mob types) make them of limited use. And they need significant investment past life/ feat/enhancement/gear wise to get DCs that are meaningful in higher skulls.

So epic levels come along, Lay Waste is nice because it is AOE but has a obtuse cooldown mechanic (which bugs out half the time) , and the knockdown is short and it requires PA be active which is far from optimal.

So finally after risking your life every time you have to hit something for 29 levels, you get a decent option for CC. It's a great feat. Very powerful. And it should be. Because for most melees it is probably really the only really good CC option in the game for them.

If they buff ranged DPS much more, we're basically going to have to play  Dual Crossbows and Dragons.

Cripey wrote on Jul 29^th, 2019 at 1:20pm:


They were clear in the post that they haven't announced everything yet, like what the new reapers will be.

The "r10 will be GG Easy" declarations are premature.  I'm not saying that we won't get there (we probably will at some point).  I'm just saying that calling it now, on partial info, is a mistake.   

Wait for all the info, and maybe some lama sessions with all the changes, before declaring it a done deal.

Gunga wrote on Jul 27^th, 2019 at 12:13pm:



You don't know me, you pussy. 


Gunga wrote on Jul 27^th, 2019 at 12:13pm:


HAHA, you aren't running all quests on r10(example:2h2h). What a fucking idiot.

Fuck man, I want to thank you for making me just bust out laughing though. 

Cripey wrote on Jul 29^th, 2019 at 4:49pm:


Pretty sure all raids are quests, where as not all quests are raids.

Here is the list of QUESTS in the ddowiki:

https://ddowiki.com/page/Quests_by_name


Maybe you have something more official to prove wiki wrong?

Gunga wrote on Jul 29^th, 2019 at 7:43pm:



I think you mean I am right and he is wrong. Thanks for playing shit for brains.

It's like Gunga told you he saw a duck flying, and you went on about how penguins don't fly. If someone says "fly like a bird" obviously they're not talking about a fucking emu.

WonderfulFoppyBint wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 6:41am:


Yes.

The fucker agrees that there is a difference between a quest and a raid in his moronic post about there being no difference between a quest and a raid. He's got a simple mind.

Gunga wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 8:37am:



English hard for you bro?

Gunga wrote on Jul 30^th, 2019 at 11:50pm:



I'll take this response as you know your wrong and it's as close to an apology as you can get. Now get back to trying to blow yourself. Btw, I accept your apology.