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Jun 10th, 2020 at 6:30pm
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So, I want to try thrower.. again. To make a good-faith effort, I'd like to try it "fully geared" with non-raid loots.

Basically, I want to know what my "best in slots" are/best setup is EXCLUDING raid gear. In other words, before I grind raids, I want to know I like the concept.

I'll probably try 5FS pure monk build. So, here's his loadout with raid gear highlighted:

Gear:                              
Helm of the Final Watcher Raid Helmet: Seeker +21, Q Deadly +6, Accuracy +34, Insightful Doubleshot +7%                              

Doctor LeRoux's Curious Implant Necklace Minor Artifact: Insightful Wisdom +10, Equipped Healing Amplification +47, Exceptional Healing Amplification +24, Quality Physical Sheltering +14, Empty Blue Augment Slot Icon, Empty Green Augment Slot, Empty Yellow Augment Slot Icon                              

Echo of Ravenkind (Trinket) Eternal Holy Burst, True Seeing, Constitution +20, Improved Deception, Yellow Slot, Green Slot, Adherent of the Mists Set (Legendary)                              

Legendary Cloak of Balance Cloak: Nearly Finished (Quality Strength, Dexterity, or Constitution +5), Freedom of Movement, Insightful Seeker 10, Parrying +10, Empty Green Augment Slot                              

Legendary Silverthread Belt (Belt): Enhanced Devotion +202, Enhanced Nullification +202, Healing Lore +29, Void Lore +29, Blue Augment Slot                              

Ring of the Silver Tongue Ring: Improved Deception, Insightful Deception Att/Dmg, Assassinate, Insightful Assassinate, Empty Green Augment Slot, Empty Blue Augment Slot                              

Wildwood Gauntlets Gloves: Blurry/Lesser Displacement, Dodge +8%/+21%, Natural Armor +8/+21, Distant Diversion +12%/+33%                              

Slaver Boots: Sheltering/Resistance/Tendon Slice/Quality Wis                              

Legendary Perfect Pinnacle (Ring): Greater Reinforced Fists, Deadly +16, Stunning +22, Soul of the Elements (Beyond the Soul of Tide), Yellow Augment Slot, Adherent of the Mists Set (Legendary) (SWAP: Ring of Prowess for redname DPS)                              

Wildwood Wrists Bracers: Nearly Finished (Wis +21), Doubleshot 13%, Insightful Deception +9, Quality Deception +4, 2 augment slots                              

Collective Sight Goggles: Nearly Finished (DEX +5/21), Almost There (INSIGHT DEX +3/10), Quality Resistance +1/+4 (SWAP: Negotiator Specs for aggro management)                              

Wildwood Outfit : Fortification +214%, Physical Sheltering +54, Healing Amplification +85, False Life +81                              

Epic Purifying Quiver (Quiver): Blunt Ammo                              

Complete Thunderforged Kama (150 Devotion, 35% Armor Piercing, Draconic Reinvigoration)                              
(SWAP: Rebellion (-25% threat, Sneak Attack +5, Improved Deception, Armor Piercing 20%, red slot w/ devotion slotted, adds implement bonus))                              

Spite, the Fractured Shards (Shuriken) 7[1d2+3]+15, 19-20/x2, Glass Shards, Keen V, Sovereign Disruption, Hemorrhaging, Returning, Purple Slot, Red Slot)                              
  


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Reply #1 - Jun 10th, 2020 at 6:40pm
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Replacements:

Thrower probably: Legendary Arc Ricochet

Helm: Leg. Executioner?

Trinket:

Ring: Radiant Ring of Taer Valaestas saga reward? (Wisdom +22; Quality Accuracy 8;Quality Deadly +5; Law Absorption 31%; Empty Yellow Augment Slot; Empty Blue Augment Slot; Empty Green Augment Slot )

Bracers: Leg Castigators for devotion and swap belt out for something else? (Outpost Sniper: Doubleshot 11% Speed +30; Quality Distant Diversion +6%; Insightful Dexterity +8; Empty Yellow Augment Slot; Mythic Belt Boost +1 or +3
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Reply #2 - Jun 10th, 2020 at 9:17pm
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Head-Meat wrote on Jun 10th, 2020 at 6:40pm:
Helm: Leg. Executioner?

You should go for the sharn set : wallwatch.

wildwood outfit.
wildwood gauntlets.
wildwood circlet.

I think the only insightful doubleshot item is a raid bracer ( Wildwood Wrists ).

Magical Sheltering items are hard to slot. Usually a slaver affix ( sheltering 45 ), but if you have mrr lives then you can probably cover the cloth cap of 50 with just an insightful item ( 27 ) and any mythic or reaper bonuses throughout your gear. 

You should be able to breeze through 20 r1 babas and get a raid shuri in a short while, or maybe get lucky and someone passes you one earlier.

The Family Sigil necklace has relentless fury ( impossible to really slot otherwise without giving up the wallwatch set ).

I'll try to come up with something here in a bit.
  

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Reply #3 - Jun 10th, 2020 at 9:29pm
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Run a raid, man. Sheesh.
  

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Reply #4 - Jun 10th, 2020 at 10:05pm
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Wildwood set armor/helm/gloves
prr
hamp
dshot
accuracy
dodge

trinket
Slaver
false life ( charisma if you find yourself low on umd )
Deception
heal or umd
Q dex

back
Cloak of the City's Champion
ins con
q prr
parry

eyes
collective sight
wis
ins dex

neck
Family Sigil
armor pierce
deadly
relentless fury
true seeing

finger
Sigil of the Triumvirate
artifact
dex
ins accuracy
ins deadly

finger
Celestial Sapphire
con
improved deception
profane

feet
Specter boots
ghostly
seeker

Wrists
castigators
ins sheltering
devotion

waist
Legendary Belt of Sure Strikes
mrr
ins seeker
q accuracy

Quiver
Dynastic 4 rp


Take blinding speed feat. Have ways to cover dr breaking ; slot a deconstructor augment into your weapon. Probably take a good bypass feat.

Assuming you will have some reaper points into dodge tiers to cover your cap without item stats like quality or insightful dodge.

Can't fit insightful deception here since it's only found on a dagger, helms, or the raid bracers. And insightful doubleshot is only on the raid helmet.

  

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Reply #5 - Jun 11th, 2020 at 12:56am
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http://www.ddovault.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1498343159/438#438

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The easy-to-get/low effort list would be more like this:

Wallwatch Circlet Helmet: Tendon Slice 6/17, Accuracy +12/+33, Reflex Saves +6/+17, Doubleshot +5%/+13%
Legendary Dawn's Herald-Charm (Necklace?): Wisdom +19, Insightful Faith, Sacred, Hallowed, Yellow Augment Slot, Adherent of the Mists Set (Legendary)
Echo of Ravenkind (Trinket) Eternal Holy Burst, True Seeing, Constitution +20, Improved Deception, Yellow Slot, Green Slot, Adherent of the Mists Set (Legendary)
Cloak of the City's Champion Cloak: Parrying +3/+10, Insightful Constitution +3/+10, Quality Physical Sheltering +4/+13
Legendary Outpost Sniper's Belt: Insightful Dexterity +8 (It's annoying that the Wallwatch set negates both of the insightful dex items from Ravenloft.)
Legendary Ring of Nightfall (Ring): Insightful Intelligence +9, Insightful Deadly +7, Reflex Save +16, Physical Sheltering +50, Green Augment Slot, Adherent of the Mists Set (Legendary)
Wildwood Gauntlets Gloves: Blurry/Lesser Displacement, Dodge +8%/+21%, Natural Armor +8/+21, Distant Diversion +12%/+33%
Legendary Ring of Prowess (Ring): Melee Power +8, Ranged Power +8, Deadly +14, Accuracy 28, Green Augment Slot
Legendary Shadow's Footsteps (Boots): Dexterity +19, Insightful Dodge +9%, Doubleshot 12%, Distant Diversion +31, Yellow Augment Slot, Adherent of the Mists Set (Legendary)
Legendary Black Opal Bracers Bracers: Greater Heroism, Magical Sheltering +50, Will Save +16, Ethereal, Empty Yellow Augment Slot
Legendary Negotiator's Spectacles (Goggles): Linguistics 10% (cooldowns), Diplomacy +22, Quality Diplomacy +5, Subtle Target (-100% weapon threat gen for 20 secs), Green Augment Slot, Adherent of the Mists Set (Legendary)
Wildwood Outfit : Fortification +214%, Physical Sheltering +54, Healing Amplification +85, False Life +81
Quiver: Quiver of Poison)
Complete Thunderforged Kama (150 Devotion, 35% Armor Piercing, Draconic Reinvigoration)
(SWAP: Rebellion (-25% threat, Sneak Attack +5, Improved Deception, Armor Piercing 20%, red slot w/ devotion slotted, adds implement bonus))
Spite, the Fractured Shards (Shuriken) 7[1d2+3]+15, 19-20/x2, Glass Shards, Keen V, Sovereign Disruption, Hemorrhaging, Returning, Purple Slot, Red Slot)


Note: still has 3 pieces of raid gear.

Spite is a really big deal. Other options do not compare. 5d2+2 vs 7d2+3 doesn't sound like a lot, but:

5 Foot Step wrote on Jun 3rd, 2019 at 11:24am:
But no, it's bad. It's also 2w less in addition to only being w+2, so it's like giving up 14 deadly. That's about 100 less damage per star at full (crit/rp) scaling. Loaded dice are OP.


The Echo of Ravenkind is really important too for the holy effect. Otherwise you're going to have all kinds of trouble breaking Good DR. And DR is a big deal nowadays, it's not 30 pts, it's more like 300. Without Echo, you're looking at setting up a different shuriken for each DR situation. And you can only realistically have very few Spites...let alone maxed out sentience.

Then there's the TF offhand. Hopefully you have some mats from that era lying around. If not, the raids are easy and people like to pug them for threads. (Also Phlogs are BtA now, so that's nice). The only other thing that comes close is Rebellion...but you're never gonna get a group for FoT. (It's soloable, but that's a PITA.)
  

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Reply #6 - Jun 11th, 2020 at 2:43am
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Oof, if only there was a superior throwing weapon with Holy AND Dust on it!

The one that, presumably, doesn't auto-lock you into 50MRR.

HEhehehhehehehehhehehahahhahahherhehehohohohohohehoehehhehahahohho
  

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It's not superior by my math. Though if you have some fight club to share, then I'm all ears.

Also my thrower has 90 MRR.
  

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5 Foot Step wrote on Jun 11th, 2020 at 3:21am:
It's not superior by my math. Though if you have some fight club to share, then I'm all ears.

Also my thrower has 90 MRR.


I fear you've been doing more meth than math.

1) Higher weapon dice, 15-20/ x3 crit profile with just 3 levels of bard.

2) Max amount of weapon procs per throw.

3) Uncanny Dodge fili set 50 RP boost.

4) Crackshot + Shattered device + various assorted filis ON at all times.

5) Dust and Holy ON at all times, no need for the trinket, no need for LGS swap.


How does your RP dumped feet tickler can be better DPS?  Huh
  

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I still don't know what your build is, but basically the other throwing builds that I tested out couldn't overcome the extra 100% "doubleshot" and inexplicable accuracy boost that shuri gets.

You could post a build if you want to talk about it.
  

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5 Foot Step wrote on Jun 11th, 2020 at 3:21am:
It's not superior by my math. Though if you have some fight club to share, then I'm all ears.

Also my thrower has 90 MRR.

yeah, all those LD raid videos of pure 20 monk throwers in SD just fucking crushing raid bosses with 5 filigrees worth of mrr.
  

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Gunga wrote on Jun 10th, 2020 at 9:29pm:
Run a raid, man. Sheesh.



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5 Foot Step wrote on Jun 11th, 2020 at 12:56am:
http://www.ddovault.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1498343159/438#438


Note: still has 3 pieces of raid gear.

Spite is a really big deal. Other options do not compare. 5d2+2 vs 7d2+3 doesn't sound like a lot, but:


The Echo of Ravenkind is really important too for the holy effect. Otherwise you're going to have all kinds of trouble breaking Good DR. And DR is a big deal nowadays, it's not 30 pts, it's more like 300. Without Echo, you're looking at setting up a different shuriken for each DR situation. And you can only realistically have very few Spites...let alone maxed out sentience.

Then there's the TF offhand. Hopefully you have some mats from that era lying around. If not, the raids are easy and people like to pug them for threads. (Also Phlogs are BtA now, so that's nice). The only other thing that comes close is Rebellion...but you're never gonna get a group for FoT. (It's soloable, but that's a PITA.)



Super helpful. Thankyou.

I do have TF mats. Not sure if I have all the right ones.. I only got a stack of one of the phlogs. I'll check.
  


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Alex DeLarge wrote on Jun 11th, 2020 at 2:43am:
Oof, if only there was a superior throwing weapon with Holy AND Dust on it!

The one that, presumably, doesn't auto-lock you into 50MRR.

HEhehehhehehehehhehehahahhahahherhehehohohohohohehoehehhehahahohho



LGS or something else?
  


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Rubbinns wrote on Jun 10th, 2020 at 10:05pm:
Wildwood set armor/helm/gloves
prr
hamp
dshot
accuracy
dodge

trinket
Slaver
false life ( charisma if you find yourself low on umd )
Deception
heal or umd
Q dex

back
Cloak of the City's Champion
ins con
q prr
parry

eyes
collective sight
wis
ins dex

neck
Family Sigil
armor pierce
deadly
relentless fury
true seeing

finger
Sigil of the Triumvirate
artifact
dex
ins accuracy
ins deadly

finger
Celestial Sapphire
con
improved deception
profane

feet
Specter boots
ghostly
seeker

Wrists
castigators
ins sheltering
devotion

waist
Legendary Belt of Sure Strikes
mrr
ins seeker
q accuracy

Quiver
Dynastic 4 rp


Take blinding speed feat. Have ways to cover dr breaking ; slot a deconstructor augment into your weapon. Probably take a good bypass feat.

Assuming you will have some reaper points into dodge tiers to cover your cap without item stats like quality or insightful dodge.

Can't fit insightful deception here since it's only found on a dagger, helms, or the raid bracers. And insightful doubleshot is only on the raid helmet.



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Insightful Deception on Epic Ring of the Stalker BTW

Also on Epic Subtle Sound (Trinket)
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If I ever see someone chucking a knife in game, I'll compare notes.
  

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Head-Meat wrote on Jun 11th, 2020 at 9:43am:
LGS or something else?


The Wide Open Sky... upgraded (duh!)

Main swap is "Fate, the Knower of all" with Deadly rain and another named dagger with Through the Mists set.

  

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5 Foot Step wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 4:05am:
If I ever see someone chucking a knife in game, I'll compare notes.



If its some sorta Alchemist split, they're not running it for Max DPS or they just don't know any better...
  

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alchemist is not required for max DPS, this is false

Sorry misread.
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5 Foot Step wrote on Jun 12th, 2020 at 4:05am:
If I ever see someone chucking a knife in game, I'll compare notes.

you can check lava Diver vids for their zombie throwers.

5 Foot Step wrote on Jun 11th, 2020 at 4:58am:
couldn't overcome the extra 100% "doubleshot" and inexplicable accuracy boost that shuri gets.


It's not really doubleshot in that it does not wrap around, which is why it does not show up on the character sheet. I know that is why you put the word doubleshot in quotes.

Outside of 10K, the monk is at 3 flat attack ( if at 100 dex ) and their dshot rate, so yours is 3.68 here.

a 100 int dagger thrower is at 220~ base doubleshot on the character sheet ( dws versions are bit higher here at around 240 ), so dagger rate is 3.2 or 3.4. Not that far behind where they cannot overcome an extra 100 "doubleshot".
  

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