Why oh why does DDO allow exploiting...

More curious on if you all think it's because they make money off the exploiting or if they lack the skillset to patch it.

I wouldn't call it "allowing". Its more like "don't know its happening" or "can't figure out how to stop it"

They wrote bad code and then fired everyone who knew how to fix it. Rewriting the entire engine from scratch is not economically feasible. At this point, its more important to keep the lights on.

Don't forget spotty unit testing and absolutely zero regression testing.

noamineo wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2020 at 2:24pm:

I'm going with this explanation.

Bigger question is why are none of you tightwads telling me what's going on and how to do it.  Might make logging in entertaining again.

this is the only thread in the history of the vault in which every single post is straight and true

noamineo wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2020 at 2:24pm:



my idea too.

Strake wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2020 at 2:11pm:


I don't think this is the issue.

I've been a Turbine player (albeit in the past) since 1999 with Asheron's Call.  They had the right programmers develop DDO and LOTRO.  They are night and day to Star Wars Galaxies or Ultime Online and the exploits available due to poorly-planned engine and world coding (although original SWG was very exciting because you could code your own actions IN the default game script, and then they took that away, lame).  AC was interesting because they allowed insertion of java.script and an interface (AC Online or something) would run these and automate all kinds of things.  Kistilan logged DAYS (months?) as a buffing NPC as his Monarchy's mansion for vassals thanks to those very-neat scripts you could customize.

I think when they transferred the property to SSG that they lost some coders that knew things and that their knowledge ops continuity was not documented well-enough to transfer the coding.

Knowing a specific modular characteristic through a parent or child object is one thing, but when they modified and continued to grow the reincarnation system, they invited slight nuances that are not obvious. 

It's probably all modular.  It's also probably not documented well-enough to be figured out by new "maintenance coderss" because it's the 50th modula of Jumanji with 18 parent=children relationships that's enabling specific functions to be exploited at higher, basic level objects not-intended on receiving an inherent funciton from a child object.

Speculation as well, but DDO didn't have this crap until Reincarnation was developed and then XP exploits began, followed by apparently item duplicating.

Or maybe this has been there since Day 1.  Chinese Plat Farmers duping plat in 2006?

So I don't know the current exploit issues, etc but if duping is accomplished, perhaps the Chinese plat farmers knew something

I'm only saying, from logging hundreds of hours in 05 Alpha/Beta through release in 05-06, and the relatively abundant amounts of plat available on a few sites (buying 100,000K plat was quite a lot of "farming") and they never had delays or "We're sold out" on any option, I think maybe they knew something more than just the standard zerg to VON and high-end loot of the time to reap such levels of plat for resale.  So maybe there has been a previously-patched dupe that has re-emerged with the current duping techniques based on new items that didn't get the "patch" from way back in the early days of Plat Farmers.

As for XP Exploit, not talking about Power Leveling (Did they make that illegal too?  Fuck me if they did, glad I'm not playing something where a stronger person carries a weaker and gets nixed by the Admins for it).    Specifically, best XP Exploit I clearly remember revolved around a poorly-coded limited-time event and Dimension Dooring at the end of the quest and going in and out of the quest multiple times to get multiple completions of the same quest, instantly leveling you usually.

noamineo wrote on Jul 4^th, 2020 at 5:16pm:


I just pretend I ate more fast food than usual and it's pretty much a wash, the money was pooped out one way or another.

At least there were longer periods of socially-engaging with folks in-game and experiencing some awe with the DDO route. 

I've yet to be in wonder of any food purchase since I lived in Japan.

noamineo wrote on Jul 4^th, 2020 at 10:41pm:



I think by the time I left my main seven to eight slots each carried 1M+ plat, but I didn't leave it there.  I dumped a bunch I believe into the Airship for the guild, got ahold of the active officers/members and handed out millions to make sure they could  continue on without me.

And that was the end of that. No idea what the economy is like now in game, 'cept it appears selling "otto's boxes" is a big deal. 

When I left the oak hearts or whatever were kinda the primary top-end thing for reincarnation.