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Request: Easy/effective/versatile range build
Jul 27th, 2020 at 6:36pm
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For L. Shroud Farming almost exclusively. ( or other epic gear farming like WPM)

Looking for build and lvl 30 gear layout (no raid gear please).

Can solo R1s please.

Thanks!


This build would only have a handful of heroic PLs and thats about it.
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Re: Request: Easy/effective/versatile range build
Reply #1 - Jul 27th, 2020 at 8:59pm
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Head-Meat wrote on Jul 27th, 2020 at 6:36pm:
For L. Shroud Farming almost exclusively. ( or other epic gear farming like WPM)

Looking for build and lvl 30 gear layout (no raid gear please).

Can solo R1s please.

Thanks!


This build would only have a handful of heroic PLs and thats about it.


Pew pew range specifically?

Or just "attack things from a distance" range?  Because if you're looking for the second of the two, a Fire Sorc is really straightforward and you already have the non-raid gear for it, I think.
  
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Re: Request: Easy/effective/versatile range build
Reply #2 - Jul 27th, 2020 at 9:04pm
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NOTpopejubal wrote on Jul 27th, 2020 at 8:59pm:
Pew pew range specifically?

Or just "attack things from a distance" range?  Because if you're looking for the second of the two, a Fire Sorc is really straightforward and you already have the non-raid gear for it, I think.



Range that doesn't primarily rely on spell points to generate damage. How bout that?

I'm assuming Arti, Rogue xbow, a thrower, or inquiz. I might be missing something. But, I'm looking for max efficacy for low to middle effort.

Efficacy = middling+ damage output, self-survivability, and party utility is a plus.

Low effort = not reliant on PLs or raid gear to reach efficacy.
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Reply #3 - Jul 27th, 2020 at 10:46pm
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Reply #4 - Jul 28th, 2020 at 5:35am
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Warlock, chain, cone or aura.
  
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Reply #5 - Jul 28th, 2020 at 10:46am
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Inquisitor probably works just as well while providing some more utility.

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Reply #6 - Jul 28th, 2020 at 11:32am
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What are the pros/cons of inquis vs mech?
  

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Reply #7 - Jul 28th, 2020 at 11:39am
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Mech locks you into 18 rogue minimum.

Inquis can be on any class combination, albeit with some tradeoffs.

Can have a FVS inqui with spell casting potential, arti inquis with arti spells, alch inquis with alc spells.

For example, a 14 paladin 6 ranger will get you holy sword and sniper shot and paladin defenses.
  
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Re: Request: Easy/effective/versatile range build
Reply #8 - Jul 29th, 2020 at 2:40am
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Been playing 14 alchy/6 ranger gnome knife thrower - it works pretty well but requires bauble + eross / etc. to sustain everything - i'm not sure but i think its probably the best thrower build due to having massive survivability + near top dps + a lot of utility.

I also got a chance to try 11 rogue / 6 ranger / 3 bard halfling knife thrower - about 5-9% more dps than the above build, and is really simple to play, but has far less utility than the above.
  
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Re: Request: Easy/effective/versatile range build
Reply #9 - Jul 29th, 2020 at 6:42am
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Do you have dex tomes?

If not, I'd recommend inquisitive with 11+ ranger levels.
  
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Reply #10 - Jul 29th, 2020 at 2:43pm
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makar wrote on Jul 29th, 2020 at 2:40am:
Been playing 14 alchy/6 ranger gnome knife thrower - it works pretty well but requires bauble + eross / etc. to sustain everything - i'm not sure but i think its probably the best thrower build due to having massive survivability + near top dps + a lot of utility.

I also got a chance to try 11 rogue / 6 ranger / 3 bard halfling knife thrower - about 5-9% more dps than the above build, and is really simple to play, but has far less utility than the above.


14/6 is med/heavy armor to make up for no evasion?
  
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Re: Request: Easy/effective/versatile range build
Reply #11 - Jul 29th, 2020 at 6:19pm
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Alchemists can get evasion at level 12
  
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Re: Request: Easy/effective/versatile range build
Reply #12 - Jul 29th, 2020 at 8:12pm
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harharharhar wrote on Jul 29th, 2020 at 2:43pm:
14/6 is med/heavy armor to make up for no evasion?


alch bonus feat at level 12 allows for evasion
  
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Re: Request: Easy/effective/versatile range build
Reply #13 - Jul 30th, 2020 at 4:31pm
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makar wrote on Jul 29th, 2020 at 2:40am:
I also got a chance to try 11 rogue / 6 ranger / 3 bard halfling knife thrower - about 5-9% more dps than the above build

The difference is going to be a lot higher than 5k~ dps just in LD. And you are behind in bursts from not being able to Through the Mists swap.

The poison dice are not that great because the spell power has to be slotted on equipment, taking up slots and they do not scale with all the prr debuffs flying around. Vile Chemist is only a few paltry damage tiers, and at level 12 it's 4d8 poison dice + around 15~ doubleshot in the tree total, for dps increases.

11 rogue by itself is 6d6 sneak dice that scale with 150% of your ranged power, which you want to gear for anyway ( and it reaches insane rp amounts boosted ), unlike nullification items. 10% more fort bypass for sharn.

The 3 bard levels alone are probably 10% higher than an alchemist split when counting First Chord. Check your damage value on the 11/6/3 then see the numbers when something is fully debuffed.
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Re: Request: Easy/effective/versatile range build
Reply #14 - Jul 30th, 2020 at 5:38pm
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Rubbinns wrote on Jul 30th, 2020 at 4:31pm:
The difference is going to be a lot higher than 5k~ dps just in LD. And you are behind in bursts from not being able to Through the Mists swap.

The poison dice are not that great because the spell power has to be slotted on equipment, taking up slots and they do not scale with all the prr debuffs flying around. Vile Chemist is only a few paltry damage tiers, and at level 12 it's 4d8 poison dice + around 15~ doubleshot in the tree total, for dps increases.

11 rogue by itself is 6d6 sneak dice that scale with 150% of your ranged power, which you want to gear for anyway ( and it reaches insane rp amounts boosted ), unlike nullification items. 10% more fort bypass for sharn.

The 3 bard levels alone are probably 10% higher than an alchemist split when counting First Chord. Check your damage value on the 11/6/3 then see the numbers when something is fully debuffed.


I'll admit the Through the Mists swap wasn't accounted for. There's probably a few other things I've missed as well. Price of coming back to the game after so long away.

However, you did miss a few dps boosts from alchemist. Having trance and your damage mod all key off the same ability, does make up for some of this. Further, you have built in tenser's, as well as, stupid levels of being tanky (for making use of archers focus more). There's a lot of little things that add up. A lot of people really underestimate how much survivability boosts can up your overall dps simply because you can pull off more risky shit.

I'll definitely play through some more content with both to see where they stand. I agree with you that the alchy split is less dps, I'm just not sure I'd concede more than 12% dps without a detailed breakdown / playthrough. There's also a lot of utility from the alchy spells (theres a few things that are broken, some bad, some very very good).

Idk I rolled both builds because devs were taking too long to put lamma up. Going to keep playing both till lamma gets posted, and then I'll probably settle on one.
  
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Re: Request: Easy/effective/versatile range build
Reply #15 - Jul 31st, 2020 at 12:02am
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makar wrote on Jul 29th, 2020 at 8:12pm:
alch bonus feat at level 12 allows for evasion


true story my dyslexia read alchy as pally.

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