Its a rapier that does vul on hit, which is nice. The problem i see is that :

-If someone else is already applying vul to hit, then it loses its main advantage

-Guard breaking is nice but not good enough by itself when the meta in high reaper is mass hold/glacier for CC anyway. I guess it could be useful to catch the occasional mob that doesnt get CCed the first round?

-Wisdom damage on hit does nothing in end game content, especially high reaper

-While it can be used in the off hand for vul on hit, it doesnt count as a light weapon which means getting dex to hit/damage with it is problematic. And putting it in the offhand for vul on hit doesnt seem to make much sense when someone else is applying vul on hit with their main weapon anyway, since theres a lot more decent weapons with vul on hit after sharn. And if you are going to use something in the off hand to debuff the boss, there's always legendary dust...

The way the weapon is designed, it seems to be mostly a debuffing weapon, it doesnt have 7W or anything to make it a top tier DPS weapon, which is fine, but the main debuff it has, vulnerability on hit, doesnt stack with anyone else's vul on hit. So if at least one person is using a good weapon to apply vul on hit, then you would be better off using a high damage weapon instead, or using legendary dust to debuff the boss even further.

I can see how this might have been good pre-sharn when there were much fewer vul on hit weapons around...i think volley used to be the most common source (torn was not popular when you could just use tremor and few people ran dagger rogue builds for pain/suffering), but now that almost every party has someone with a weapon that can apply vul on hit, it doesnt seem to be that useful anymore...

Example : Baz'Morath, the Curator of Decay is a 7w greataxe and also applies vul on hit, so even if someone else is applying vul stacks, it still hits hard. Flow is only 5w and doesnt hit anywhere near as hard, especially if its being used in the off hand.

I think it matters a lot on your goal and class/build.

It's still a pretty solid weapon for swashes and like Technomage said, it's fine for debuffing. But as you've come to the conclusion yourself its not a DPS weapon.

Tell us the sort of class/build you want to run it on, that helps a lot more than being vague.

Edrein wrote on Jul 28^th, 2020 at 1:53am:


I mean, its not exactly my conclusion that its not a DPS weapon. The top tier DPS weapons all have stuff like 7w (or more), expanded crit range, etc. Like the great axe i mentioned in the OP, it hits hard AND has fetters ontop.

After sharn, there are a lot more good DPS weapons that have fetters on top so its quite likely that someone in the party will be applying vulnerability stacks anyway.

So lets look at possible builds that can use flow...to my knowledge, this is mainly :

-Swashbuckler builds. If you are doing a rapier swashbuckler build, you arent going to be high DPS anyway (especially not after the THF buff). So if you use flow, thats there to debuff, but if someone else is already applying vulnerability...you would be better off with a LGS dust weapon wouldnt you? For debuffing purposes?

-TWF builds. Pretty much the same as the above, if someone is already applying vulnerability, then you would be better off with a LGS dust weapon in the offhand OR using a high DPS weapon in the off hand (something with 7w or more, maybe vulkoor's edge)

Im not sure how much the PRR debuff from LGS Dust is...but it seems to be massive. As a ballpark figure, my main hand hits for about 500 non-crit with max vul stacks and if someone is debuffing the boss with LGS Dust, it goes to over 1k+ non-crit.

I am in no way claiming this to be an achievement of anything more than LOLz.   

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6Q3Iu18tfY&t

I use a Flow in my main hand as my primary trash weapon.   it's a Mythic 4 so I'm kinda attached to it.   It's fun to swing a pink thing that makes mobs retarded.

I have better weapons that I use on bosses and stuff when I don't need the CC. 

StratleThot wrote on Jul 29^th, 2020 at 8:39am:

Agreed. I spoke to Lyn on Lama sometime around after Ravenloft, and Lyn pretty much said something like this.

fuckface mcgee wrote on Jul 28^th, 2020 at 10:23am:


Because most people dont bother to answer. Vulnerability is a lot more common now, much more than dust, for the simple reason that you can get vulnerability on high DPS weapons (raid loot) but not dust. In a raid party these days, its practically guaranteed that at least 1 person will have vulnerability these days. And most mid/high reaper parties will have at least one person with vulnerability as well.

Thats why IMHO, flow is a worse option than dust, especially for TWF.

Mattyo wrote on Jul 31^st, 2020 at 9:55pm:


Soulrazer, nightshard, whatever greenteel I need,  the only thing I have picked up is the battleaxe from THTH.

No, but I've used a Nightshard which does the same thing.

Yes, keeps a lot of squishies alive.