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Aug 6th, 2020 at 1:06pm
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Any criticisms or things you would tweak?


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I played mostly thf pally since U45 and thf major changes.
Nowadays, thf pally is no longer a flavor build but an undisputed top tier and I’m having a lot of fun with it.
Well... I’m having fun despite the lag at least XD

Pure pally is so good now and thf is super strong after the changes. I’m happy to share the build I’m playing and some considerations on what I think is right now the most solid melee for r10 endgame.

PDK Pally 20 Fatesinger, Charisma based

PDK is hands down the best race: strikethrough, some hamp, For Cormyr and Cormyrean Knight Training. Also, cha to hit and dmg with greatswords makes PDK the only viable option for this build.

There are some reasons why I chose cha based gs pally vs the 'standard' str based maul pally, even if Constellation and Reflection of Blackrazor are junk compared to Silvanus Tremor.

Cha advantages are:
- more turn charges for Confront any Foe
- better defenses (31 points in SaD, I used Falconry on str pally)
- better lay on hands
- higher Intimidate
However, the most important reason is: better tactics!
A cha based pally using CKT and Divine Might can reach sky high tactics dcs. Ofc having 165 or more dc on Dire charge is a waste, but having 135 dc on Stunning blow and Trip is amazing for high fort content. Stunning blow and trip are str based, so Strength is not a dump stat.

Enhancements:
Pretty straightforward. Pdk , KotC, SaD...



Feats: thf line, power attack, ic, completionist, oc, arborea. I took extra turning and wizard pl.
Wizard pl can be handy vs reds if your group is lacking capable debuffers. Swap to 2x lgs and cast mm to stack dust and ooze or ash (Fatesinger provides quicken).

ED. I’m in love with the Fatesinger... this destiny is so good and a perfect fit for a cha based pally.
I took First Harmonic Chord, Bound & Grim Fate, Martial Hymn, Quicken, Bladesong and Turn the Tide. Cha the rest.
Twist: in quest usually I twist Sense weakness, Meld, Confront any Foe, Running with Wind and Dance of Flowers.

Here’s a screenshot of my stats in reaper with Turn the tide on (but without Tenser scrolled). I have all the PLs and all the reaper trees filled.



Weapon stats:



My gear setup:
Helm Legendary Executioner's Helm (Insightful Deception +7, Relentless Fury, Seeker 17, Quality Combat Mastery +4)
Goggles Legendary Collective Sight (Charisma +21, Insightful Charisma +10, Quality Resistance +4, +20 Quality MRR)
Necklace The Family’s Blessing (Quality Assassinate +2, Insightful Armor-Piercing - 16%, Deadly +17, Doublestrike 24%)
Trinket Bloodrage Chrism (Competence Healing Amplification +83, Calamitous Blows, Bloodrage Defense, Rune-fueled Warding, Unnatural)
Armor Legendary Enforcer's Coat (+15 Enhancement Bonus, Fortification +214%, Physical Sheltering +54, Competence Healing Amplification +85, Hit Points +81)
Cloak Silver Dragonscale Capelet (Insightful Strength +10, Dodge +21%, Insightful Sheltering +28, Shining Silver Scales)
Wrist Brand of Kalok Shash (Strength +22, Quality Accuracy +8, Quality Deadly +5, Fire Absorption 53%)
Belt SL (Sheltering +45, Armor Piercing +28, Vertigo +20, Quality Charisma +4)
Ring Legendary Celestial Sapphire Ring (Constitution +21, Improved Deception, Dodge +21%, Profane Well Rounded +2)
Ring Legendary Celestial Ruby Ring (Dexterity +21, Stunning +23, Accuracy +33, Ghostly)
Gloves Legendary Hammerfist (Insightful Doublestrike 11%, Cannith Combat Infusion, Seeker 21, Insightful Deadly +8)
Boots SL (Wisdom +17, Deception +14, Shatter +20, Quality Constitution +4)

For a while I used thth helm with ins str and Piston boots on my setup, then I changed my mind... I really like this setup, even if I dont have parrying and ins con 10 anymore.
Best gear is also based on melee power on items you have...

Weapons and filigrees:
I use 3 main weapons: Constellation, Reflection of Blackrazor and Tremor (Silvanus is my god and I have some str to swing it).
Full range of one handed lgs (dust, ooze, ash, affirmation, salt, ice), lgs affirmation + hope is the swap for cw spells.
These days I really struggle to swap weapons in quest... When I do that I often cause my whole party to freeze in lag. That’s really annoying and I feel like a noob, but this build is probably one of the best options you have if you need to play without weapon swaps. A full stacked Reflection is not that bad, and you can put a “swap-impaired” fili setup on it featuring sanctified fervor. Put a final burial turn undead charges on weapon and artifact if you want more Confront any Foe. I got 74 charges per rest.
Constellation and Tremor with Prowess and Shattered device on, and Fervor on Relfection is the setup I'm using when I'm able to swap weapons.

Feel free to ask for more informations
  


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Re: Pretty sure I'm going Pally
Reply #1 - Aug 6th, 2020 at 1:09pm
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https://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Legendary_Echo_of_Blackrazor

How many runs of WPM will it take me? 10? 40? 100?  I don't know the WPM grind yet.


Better question: What do you use until you get Blackrazor?
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Reply #2 - Aug 6th, 2020 at 1:36pm
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Looks like Leg WPM has 5 named drops.

~34% named drop chance on R1 *.2   ~7% chance per run.


~14 runs to get base item.

That sound rightish? Or is drop rate worse than that?




W/ Discovery Buff and re-rolls?

44% chance of named loot *.2  ~9% chance of base item

~11 runs

With re-rolls: 3-4 runs?  This matches my farming of Leg Sharn. Anyone see anything different?

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Reply #3 - Aug 6th, 2020 at 1:51pm
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Did you count the sentiences among the named drops? I think the Spark of Memory also counts as a named drop.
  

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Technomage wrote on Aug 6th, 2020 at 1:51pm:
Did you count the sentiences among the named drops? I think the Spark of Memory also counts as a named drop.



No. I just used the wiki's list. But, if it works like RL, for example, I think the items and the filis are separate. I'm hoping it's like that.
  


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Head-Meat wrote on Aug 6th, 2020 at 1:59pm:
No. I just used the wiki's list. But, if it works like RL, for example, I think the items and the filis are separate. I'm hoping it's like that.

I can't recall ever getting a sentience AND a named item from that end chest.
  

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Technomage wrote on Aug 6th, 2020 at 2:02pm:
I can't recall ever getting a sentience AND a named item from that end chest.



Does that count as just 1 more item then in the math you think?
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If someone had a lot of Astral Shards, they could also reroll some of those chests.
  
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NOTpopejubal wrote on Aug 6th, 2020 at 2:07pm:
If someone had a lot of Astral Shards, they could also reroll some of those chests.



Someone is on it

Head-Meat wrote on Aug 6th, 2020 at 1:36pm:
W/ Discovery Buff and re-rolls?

44% chance of named loot *.2  ~9% chance of base item

~11 runs

With re-rolls: 3-4 runs?  This matches my farming of Leg Sharn. Anyone see anything different?


  


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Reply #9 - Aug 6th, 2020 at 2:09pm
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Farming Leg sharn for gear, potion and rerolls got me what I wanted in about 4 runs on average. So, this seems to fit that math.
  


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Head-Meat wrote on Aug 6th, 2020 at 1:09pm:
https://ddowiki.com/page/Item:Legendary_Echo_of_Blackrazor

How many runs of WPM will it take me? 10? 40? 100?  I don't know the WPM grind yet.


Better question: What do you use until you get Blackrazor?


A HUGE number.

We know the spark, sentience XP and snetient gems are on a different table than the named items, which have the standard 10/16/33% +1 reaper drop rate.

However.

The drop Blackrazor is bugged. You're going to need at the very least hundreds of chest pulls on elite+ with elixers.

Or get an army of chest-pullers. What server are you on?
  

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noamineo wrote on Aug 6th, 2020 at 2:13pm:
A HUGE number.

We know the spark, sentience XP and snetient gems are on a different table than the named items, which have the standard 10/16/33% +1 reaper drop rate.

However.

The drop Blackrazor is bugged. You're going to need at the very least hundreds of chest pulls on elite+ with elixers.

Or get an army of chest-pullers. What server are you on?


Khyber. You have a source for that?

Arkat as of March on main forums confirmed the 33% on leet drop rate for WPM. (Devs did in that thread also)
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Head-Meat wrote on Aug 6th, 2020 at 2:06pm:
Does that count as just 1 more item then in the math you think?

That is my conclusion.
  

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Reply #14 - Aug 6th, 2020 at 2:43pm
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The sword is certainly not rare. And not bugged, pulled like three and passed some more.

Clear wpm on elite - it takes like 16 min, open lfm or invite friends for chest pulling. It's pretty attractive - for xp, for sentience, for end chest.

You'll get it eventually. I use Constellation on mine but Blackrazor is very useful for oozes and rust monsters and shit.
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Head-Meat wrote on Aug 6th, 2020 at 2:20pm:
Khyber. You have a source for that?

Arkat as of March on main forums confirmed the 33% on leet drop rate for WPM. (Devs did in that thread also)


The devs have "confirmed" it's "not bugged"(those are sarcastic air quotes), which is exactly what they would say to a player base when they either don't want to fix a problem or have rigged it wrong on purpose.

If Arkat has better data, though, I'll listen to him. He's more reliable than steel.
  

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i pulled two in 6 runs with a dual box chest blesser/opener and maybe 100 shards of re rolls its not that bad. Fast easy quest too
  
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The one practical upside is I actually ENJOY running WPM, so when I do get serious about farming it I won't be complaining. Hands down one of the most entertaining quests in terms of visual asthetics.
  

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The sentient jewel seems to have a lower drop rate than the other jewels, but I pulled one after two ransacks worth in a full group of alt accounts. So.... 14*6.... it only took 84 pulls!  Grin

But imo, for basically all of the content in the game except raids sorc is way better than pally
  
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I've managed to collect 2 of every sentient jewel without remotely trying but still have never seen most of the named items. GO figure.
  

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The sentient jewel seems to have a lower drop rate than the other jewels, but I pulled one after two ransacks worth in a full group of alt accounts. So.... 14*6.... it only took 84 pulls!  Grin

But imo, for basically all of the content in the game except raids sorc is way better than pally



How about anything on r7-r10?

Sorc dmg drops a LOT on high skulls. It's king of R1-3 for sure, though.
  


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DPS drops off but still ranged. Remember the crushing damage is no-save. Having that ranged AOE gives you more survivability.

What about doing a fire sorc EK inquisitive? The combination of inq ranged attacks + Meteor Swarm could be fantastic.
  

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How about anything on r7-r10?


noamineo wrote on Aug 6th, 2020 at 6:45pm:
What about doing a fire sorc EK inquisitive? The combination of inq ranged attacks + Meteor Swarm could be fantastic.


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Reply #23 - Aug 7th, 2020 at 2:12am
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Pally in general is super strong right now. I don't know about this guy's specific build, (obviously I prefer my own) but I'm sure it's not bad.

A base Blackrazor is super easy to get. Schism shards to upgrade it are what you will be grinding for.
  

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Reply #24 - Aug 7th, 2020 at 2:41am
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Take high reaper advice from boxed sorcerer that can't do fucking Sharn.

Certainly don't look at parties or ignore people that do r10s on daily basis.

But it's Tilomere worthy idea.
One shotty, kitey ranged that destroys everybody's eyes and ears with fucking meteors and pew pew retarded sounds.
While doing no damage.
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