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Vistani duel wielding weapon animation Slower?
Sep 6th, 2020 at 10:05pm
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Someone mentioned to me that when playing a 2w dagger rogue that is Vistani animation creates a slower attack speed. Are there any links around that support this info pls.
  
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Reply #1 - Sep 6th, 2020 at 10:09pm
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Farmer wrote on Sep 7th, 2020 at 9:09pm:

Lol I'm not the only one with bad grammar...meh who cares.
  
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Rast wrote on Sep 8th, 2020 at 2:55am:
Lol I'm not the only one with bad grammar...meh who cares.

Not bad grammar (although you might also be bad at that), poor spelling.

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Technomage wrote on Sep 8th, 2020 at 8:28pm:
Not bad grammar (although you might also be bad at that), poor spelling.

You should blame your parents.



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Reply #9 - Sep 9th, 2020 at 2:44pm
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Rast wrote on Sep 6th, 2020 at 10:05pm:
Someone mentioned to me that when playing a 2w dagger rogue that is Vistani animation creates a slower attack speed. Are there any links around that support this info pls.


My tests show that the Vistani animation does result in less DPS. These tests were from about a year ago on Lamania:

Vistani Knife Fighting Style Tier 5 in Vistani:
25.1, 23.6 - 24.35 average

Regular Knife Fighting Tier 5 in Vistani:
22.9, 21.5, 22.2 - 22.2 average

Vistani Knife Fighting Style Tier 5 in Assassin:
24.2, 28.5, 24 - 25.56 average

Regular Knife Fighting Tier 5 in Assassin:
20.9, 29.1, and 19.1 - average of 23.03

Links:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESZfLddQ56Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7rshIjV580
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUqTAq-JPCg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWZM4tIEf5E
  
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Reply #10 - Sep 9th, 2020 at 2:58pm
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Reply #12 - Sep 9th, 2020 at 4:36pm
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Mystickal wrote on Sep 9th, 2020 at 2:44pm:
My tests show that the Vistani animation does result in less DPS. These tests were from about a year ago on Lamania:

Vistani Knife Fighting Style Tier 5 in Vistani:
25.1, 23.6 - 24.35 average

Regular Knife Fighting Tier 5 in Vistani:
22.9, 21.5, 22.2 - 22.2 average

Vistani Knife Fighting Style Tier 5 in Assassin:
24.2, 28.5, 24 - 25.56 average

Regular Knife Fighting Tier 5 in Assassin:
20.9, 29.1, and 19.1 - average of 23.03

Links:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESZfLddQ56Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7rshIjV580
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUqTAq-JPCg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWZM4tIEf5E

That was the case since release. I have VKF tested on lamania when RL previewed. I think the devs said they fixed it, but I don't trust steelstar's "testing". It's the same guy who said that the extra projectile from STWE also operates off of Int score if you have alchemist core 12. Which is false, because, again, I tested that on lama preview and on live just to be sure.
  

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Re: Vistani duel wielding weapon animation Slower?
Reply #13 - Feb 25th, 2023 at 11:26am
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We retested this.

We got the same ratio roughly on a Scarrow beatdown in promise of fire over 2 minutes on r1

5.7 million vistani
6.4 million regular twf

~ .89 = (vistani/regular)

whereas Mystikal's previous tests indicated ~.9
  

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