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Sep 14th, 2020 at 7:09pm
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I wanted to share what I consider to be the top melee build currently. I don't have full racial AP, and only 75 Reaper Points.

Race: Wood Elf
Alignment: True Neutral
Class: 20 Barbarian


Stats:

Raged with Primal Scream and Self Martial Hymn in Marketplace

Melee power 244
Strikethrough 230
Doublestrike 97.02
Fortification Bypass 68
PRR 214
MRR 124
Hit Points 3164


Strength: 18 + level ups
Dexterity: 10
Constitution: 18
Intelligence: 10
Wisdom: 8
Charisma: 8


Feat Progression

Level 1: Two Handed Fighting
Level 3: Power Attack
Level 6: Improved Two Handed Fighting
Level 9: Improved Critical: Slashing
Level 12 : Greater Two Handed Fighting
Level 15 : Completionist
Level 18 : Stunning Blow
Level 21 : Overwhelming Critical
Level 24 : Toughness
Level 26 : Perfect Two Handed Fighting
Level 27 : Epic Toughness
Level 28 : Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
Level 29 : Dire Charge
Level 30 : Epic Damage Reduction
Level 30 : Arborea

Enhancements:

https://imgur.com/a/Co210QC

Epic Destiny

https://imgur.com/a/4PMFyNu

Reaper

https://imgur.com/a/2B1l4p5

Gear

Goggles: Collective Sight Wisdom +21 Insightful Strength +10
Helm: Legendary Greensteel Negative Opposition Material
Necklace: The Family's Blessing
Trinket: Bloodrage Chrism
Cloak: Charune, Grand Burden of Fury
Belt: Legendary Belt of Sure Strikes
Ring 1: Legendary Ring of Prowess
Gloves: Legendary Hammerfist
Boots: Legendary Greensteel Weave Boots Positive Opposition Material
Ring 2: Legendary Celestial Sapphire Ring Con +21
Bracers: Legendary Sunken Chains
Armor: Legendary Enforcer's Coat
  
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Re: Cookie Cutter Reaper/DPS Barbarian Build
Reply #1 - Sep 14th, 2020 at 7:57pm
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Sergod wrote on Sep 14th, 2020 at 7:09pm:
I wanted to share what I consider to be the top melee build currently. I don't have full racial AP, and only 75 Reaper Points.

Race: Wood Elf
Alignment: True Neutral
Class: 20 Barbarian


Stats:

Raged with Primal Scream and Self Martial Hymn in Marketplace

Melee power 244
Strikethrough 230
Doublestrike 97.02
Fortification Bypass 68
PRR 214
MRR 124
Hit Points 3164


Strength: 18 + level ups
Dexterity: 10
Constitution: 18
Intelligence: 10
Wisdom: 8
Charisma: 8


Feat Progression

Level 1: Two Handed Fighting
Level 3: Power Attack
Level 6: Improved Two Handed Fighting
Level 9: Improved Critical: Slashing
Level 12 : Greater Two Handed Fighting
Level 15 : Completionist
Level 18 : Stunning Blow
Level 21 : Overwhelming Critical
Level 24 : Toughness
Level 26 : Perfect Two Handed Fighting
Level 27 : Epic Toughness
Level 28 : Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
Level 29 : Dire Charge
Level 30 : Epic Damage Reduction
Level 30 : Arborea

Enhancements:

https://imgur.com/a/Co210QC

Epic Destiny

https://imgur.com/a/4PMFyNu

Reaper

https://imgur.com/a/2B1l4p5

Gear

Goggles: Collective Sight Wisdom +21 Insightful Strength +10
Helm: Legendary Greensteel Negative Opposition Material
Necklace: The Family's Blessing
Trinket: Bloodrage Chrism
Cloak: Charune, Grand Burden of Fury
Belt: Legendary Belt of Sure Strikes
Ring 1: Legendary Ring of Prowess
Gloves: Legendary Hammerfist
Boots: Legendary Greensteel Weave Boots Positive Opposition Material
Ring 2: Legendary Celestial Sapphire Ring Con +21
Bracers: Legendary Sunken Chains
Armor: Legendary Enforcer's Coat



Compared with CHA-based PDK pally I just TRed out of:


-Standing Melee Power: Barb by about 30 points. Although using boosts was well over 300. I think 320ish
-HP: If using 2-piece GS set, Barb gets about 400-500 more
-Fort bypass: Pally. I was over 80%
-Strikethru: Slight Edge to Barb (20%ish)
-PRR: Pally (45 pts)
-MRR: Pally (40 pts)


Pally gets more defense while barb probably gets more raw dps. Seems good.

How is the Direcharge DC on this build?
  


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Re: Cookie Cutter Reaper/DPS Barbarian Build
Reply #2 - Sep 14th, 2020 at 8:01pm
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Dire Charge was 120s iirc. I personally got rid of stunning blow/dire charge for my play style/groups but most people its probably BiS. you forget the extra 9% damage reduction in your comparision.

Head-Meat wrote on Sep 14th, 2020 at 7:57pm:
Compared with CHA-based PDK pally I just TRed out of:


-Standing Melee Power: Barb by about 30 points. Although using boosts was well over 300. I think 320ish
-HP: If using 2-piece GS set, Barb gets about 400-500 more
-Fort bypass: Pally. I was over 80%
-Strikethru: Slight Edge to Barb (20%ish)
-PRR: Pally (45 pts)
-MRR: Pally (40 pts)


Pally gets more defense while barb probably gets more raw dps. Seems good.

How is the Direcharge DC on this build?

  
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Reply #3 - Sep 14th, 2020 at 8:03pm
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also your prr mrr comparison assumes youre using sacred defense which fury pally cant, and it is shit for raid aggro management
  
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Re: Cookie Cutter Reaper/DPS Barbarian Build
Reply #4 - Sep 14th, 2020 at 8:09pm
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Sergod wrote on Sep 14th, 2020 at 7:09pm:
I wanted to share what I consider to be the top melee build currently. I don't have full racial AP, and only 75 Reaper Points.

Race: Wood Elf
Alignment: True Neutral
Class: 20 Barbarian


Stats:

Raged with Primal Scream and Self Martial Hymn in Marketplace

Melee power 244
Strikethrough 230
Doublestrike 97.02
Fortification Bypass 68
PRR 214
MRR 124
Hit Points 3164


Strength: 18 + level ups
Dexterity: 10
Constitution: 18
Intelligence: 10
Wisdom: 8
Charisma: 8


Feat Progression

Level 1: Two Handed Fighting
Level 3: Power Attack
Level 6: Improved Two Handed Fighting
Level 9: Improved Critical: Slashing
Level 12 : Greater Two Handed Fighting
Level 15 : Completionist
Level 18 : Stunning Blow
Level 21 : Overwhelming Critical
Level 24 : Toughness
Level 26 : Perfect Two Handed Fighting
Level 27 : Epic Toughness
Level 28 : Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
Level 29 : Dire Charge
Level 30 : Epic Damage Reduction
Level 30 : Arborea

Enhancements:

https://imgur.com/a/Co210QC

Epic Destiny

https://imgur.com/a/4PMFyNu

Reaper

https://imgur.com/a/2B1l4p5

Gear

Goggles: Collective Sight Wisdom +21 Insightful Strength +10
Helm: Legendary Greensteel Negative Opposition Material
Necklace: The Family's Blessing
Trinket: Bloodrage Chrism
Cloak: Charune, Grand Burden of Fury
Belt: Legendary Belt of Sure Strikes
Ring 1: Legendary Ring of Prowess
Gloves: Legendary Hammerfist
Boots: Legendary Greensteel Weave Boots Positive Opposition Material
Ring 2: Legendary Celestial Sapphire Ring Con +21
Bracers: Legendary Sunken Chains
Armor: Legendary Enforcer's Coat



Do a Bruntsmash test too, and let us know your time. Best I got was about 17 seconds on R5. (But his hitpoints vary some, so I had a spreadsheet).

That 17 seconds was self-buffed, I hit Bruntsmash with Bound/Grim (12% extra vulnerability), and I hit him once with Suffer (10% debuff). Then I hit Turn the tide, MP boost, and Reaper boost and spammed special attacks. I count from when I hit turn the tide.
  


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Re: Cookie Cutter Reaper/DPS Barbarian Build
Reply #5 - Sep 14th, 2020 at 8:16pm
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Head-Meat wrote on Sep 14th, 2020 at 8:09pm:
Do a Bruntsmash test too, and let us know your time. Best I got was about 17 seconds on R5. (But his hitpoints vary some, so I had a spreadsheet).

That 17 seconds was self-buffed, I hit Bruntsmash with Bound/Grim (12% extra vulnerability), and I hit him once with Suffer (10% debuff). Then I hit Turn the tide, MP boost, and Reaper boost and spammed special attacks. I count from when I hit turn the tide.


too lazy to deal with that. the debuffs also skew it.
  
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Re: Cookie Cutter Reaper/DPS Barbarian Build
Reply #6 - Sep 14th, 2020 at 8:18pm
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Sergod wrote on Sep 14th, 2020 at 8:03pm:
also your prr mrr comparison assumes you're using sacred defense which fury pally cant, and it is shit for raid aggro management


True on this AND the 9% reduction.
  


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Re: Cookie Cutter Reaper/DPS Barbarian Build
Reply #7 - Sep 14th, 2020 at 8:25pm
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Head-Meat wrote on Sep 14th, 2020 at 8:18pm:
True on this AND the 9% reduction.


the 9% is huge
  
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Re: Cookie Cutter Reaper/DPS Barbarian Build
Reply #8 - Sep 14th, 2020 at 8:48pm
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Sergod wrote on Sep 14th, 2020 at 8:25pm:
the 9% is huge



Word. Why is this better/worse than a bear split?
  


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Reply #9 - Sep 14th, 2020 at 9:06pm
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Head-Meat wrote on Sep 14th, 2020 at 8:48pm:
Word. Why is this better/worse than a bear split?


More DPS and dont need to twitch back and forth
  
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Reply #10 - Sep 14th, 2020 at 10:30pm
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Head-Meat wrote on Sep 14th, 2020 at 8:09pm:
Do a Bruntsmash test too, and let us know your time. Best I got was about 17 seconds on R5. (But his hitpoints vary some, so I had a spreadsheet).

That 17 seconds was self-buffed, I hit Bruntsmash with Bound/Grim (12% extra vulnerability), and I hit him once with Suffer (10% debuff). Then I hit Turn the tide, MP boost, and Reaper boost and spammed special attacks. I count from when I hit turn the tide.

Just did it R5 on my Horc Barb, 14 sec from when I choose the fight option to death. 
  
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Reply #11 - Sep 15th, 2020 at 12:06am
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you are actually retarded
  

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Reply #12 - Sep 15th, 2020 at 11:23am
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Is that a collective you, the OP or Meathead?
  

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Reply #13 - Sep 15th, 2020 at 1:49pm
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Would it make sense to steal a couple of points from the racial tree to get a 1 min trance from falconry?  (you could have a swap wis/wis collective sight to go along with that)
  
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Reply #14 - Sep 15th, 2020 at 2:11pm
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Gunga wrote on Sep 15th, 2020 at 11:23am:
Is that a collective you, the OP or Meathead?


all of the above? all of the above.

pure barb isnt even the best barb dps, much less melee across the board
  

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Reply #15 - Sep 15th, 2020 at 4:12pm
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GimpyPaw wrote on Sep 14th, 2020 at 10:30pm:
Just did it R5 on my Horc Barb, 14 sec from when I choose the fight option to death. 



I TRed to Barbearian. Using FURY I got about 16 seconds or so. I'll check again.
  


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Sergod wrote on Sep 14th, 2020 at 8:03pm:
also your prr mrr comparison assumes youre using sacred defense which fury pally cant, and it is shit for raid aggro management


Get a real tank.
  

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5 Foot Step wrote on Sep 17th, 2020 at 2:00am:
Get a real tank.


Do you even raid, or do you just do r3 quests all day?
  
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Reply #19 - Sep 17th, 2020 at 10:10am
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Legit question as I want to understand.

20 barb compared to 11 barb as using your enchantments gives the below:

mighty rage +4 str/4 con
more rages per shrine
3% extra barb dr

Frenzied toughness
Death Frenzy
Storm Eye

More feats (you need NF and 2hf for a bear)

And better BAB.

Please let me know what I missed

Bear build, 11 barb, 5 cleric, 3 druid gives you

Ram's might +2 str +2 damage
Magic fang +1 to weapon
Animal or Str domain
Level 3 cleric spells
More Mp and doublestrike
Sylvanis maul crit profile
+10% armor

You also have the flexibility of picking up enchantments from WP and Druid, but for this comparison, we can keep enchantments the same. Do keep in mind that the capstone does take 40 AP, so to do a fair comparison we would have extra AP we could take from druid or WP.

Please let me know what I'm not seeing here.



  
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Reply #20 - Sep 17th, 2020 at 11:48am
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SpaceGoat wrote on Sep 17th, 2020 at 10:10am:
Legit question as I want to understand.

20 barb compared to 11 barb as using your enchantments gives the below:

mighty rage +4 str/4 con
more rages per shrine
3% extra barb dr

Frenzied toughness
Death Frenzy
Storm Eye

More feats (you need NF and 2hf for a bear)

And better BAB.

Please let me know what I missed

Bear build, 11 barb, 5 cleric, 3 druid gives you

Ram's might +2 str +2 damage
Magic fang +1 to weapon
Animal or Str domain
Level 3 cleric spells
More Mp and doublestrike
Sylvanis maul crit profile
+10% armor

You also have the flexibility of picking up enchantments from WP and Druid, but for this comparison, we can keep enchantments the same. Do keep in mind that the capstone does take 40 AP, so to do a fair comparison we would have extra AP we could take from druid or WP.

Please let me know what I'm not seeing here.


The big 3 things that this build offers are
1) Sylvanus crit profile
2) Enhanced critical profile for
3) Cleric levels to give a better critical profile for Mauls.
  
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Reply #21 - Sep 17th, 2020 at 1:29pm
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The big 3 things that this build offers are
1) Sylvanus crit profile
2) Enhanced critical profile for
3) Cleric levels to give a better critical profile for Mauls.


Agreed - I included those, but I wanted to be fairly comprensive in the comparison and fair to Sergod, to include what the trade-offs are.

Hoping he replies with insight.
  
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Reply #22 - Sep 17th, 2020 at 4:55pm
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The big 3 things that this build offers are
1) Sylvanus crit profile
2) Enhanced critical profile for
3) Cleric levels to give a better critical profile for Mauls.



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Agreed.
  


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Reply #23 - Sep 17th, 2020 at 7:09pm
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SpaceGoat wrote on Sep 17th, 2020 at 1:29pm:
Agreed - I included those, but I wanted to be fairly comprensive in the comparison and fair to Sergod, to include what the trade-offs are.

Hoping he replies with insight.


Go play them both in high reapers and tell me which wins. I did. Maybe I'll try bear again just for yall.
  
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Reply #24 - Sep 18th, 2020 at 3:56am
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Sergod wrote on Sep 17th, 2020 at 8:46am:
Do you even raid,


I do. So I know that most tanks are shit. And if I'm pulling aggro off of them with 25% threat gen (150 sacred - 50 treachery - 75 coffee) when they should have 2kish threat gen BEFORE using intimidate at all, then they need to GTFO and reroll.
  

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