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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9186 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Strange Choices In Item Design #37: Poor Communication Kills Sep 30^th, 2022 at 10:28pm	Print Post
	There have been quite a few complains over the years about the tedium of farming Tokens of the 12, especially after RTR added 42 more and ball-shriveling 840 more tokens to the grind. Well, SSG listened to your complaints! Wiz King, Von 3, and Von 5 all now drop 2 tokens on Elite, with Von3 averaging 2.5 for your troubles. Did any other quests get similarly updated? Was this in any of the release notes? Who can say.

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ManyCookies Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 360 Joined: Nov 16^th, 2018	Re: Strange Choices In Item Design #37: Poor Communication Kills Reply #1 - Oct 1^st, 2022 at 2:49am	Print Post
	Huh? They have dropped at least 2 tokens on elite or higher for years now.
	« Last Edit: Oct 1^st, 2022 at 2:50am by ManyCookies »

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eighnuss Epic Poster Offline ด้้้้้ ͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩ ͩͩͩͩͩͩ Posts: 3532 Location: ด้้้้้็็็็็้้้้้็็็็็ ͩͩͩͩͩͩͩ Joined: Jan 30^th, 2013	Re: Strange Choices In Item Design #37: Poor Communication Kills Reply #2 - Oct 1^st, 2022 at 7:44am	Print Post
	ManyCookies wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 2:49am: Huh? They have dropped at least 2 tokens on elite or higher for years now. he wouldnt know, he just finally graduated from epic hard to epic elite, be nice

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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9186 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: Strange Choices In Item Design #37: Poor Communication Kills Reply #3 - Oct 1^st, 2022 at 2:08pm	Print Post
	ManyCookies wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 2:49am: Huh? They have dropped at least 2 tokens on elite or higher for years now. Apparently not enough years for them to update the wiki(which still says 1.5). What sucks is if its been years I know like 10 people who quit over how tedious the token grind was. Hence the "poor communication kills". If these people knew Von3 dropped 2.5 instead of 1.5, some of them might have stayed.

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SpaceGoat Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 606 Joined: Oct 14^th, 2015	Re: Strange Choices In Item Design #37: Poor Communication Kills Reply #4 - Oct 1^st, 2022 at 7:43pm	Print Post
	eighnuss wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 7:44am: he wouldnt know, he just finally graduated from epic hard to epic elite, be nice
	« Last Edit: Oct 1^st, 2022 at 7:47pm by SpaceGoat »

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SpaceGoat Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 606 Joined: Oct 14^th, 2015	Re: Strange Choices In Item Design #37: Poor Communication Kills Reply #5 - Oct 1^st, 2022 at 7:49pm	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 2:08pm: Apparently not enough years for them to update the wiki(which still says 1.5). What sucks is if its been years I know like 10 people who quit over how tedious the token grind was. Hence the "poor communication kills". If these people knew Von3 dropped 2.5 instead of 1.5, some of them might have stayed. It's not like people have friends, or guilds, or channels, where they can ask, I'm slow and I'm having trouble getting tokens, ugh, what should I do?


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Artorias Shroud Slacker Online Posts: 1225 Joined: Mar 21^st, 2015	Re: Strange Choices In Item Design #37: Poor Communication Kills Reply #6 - Oct 1^st, 2022 at 10:21pm	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 2:08pm: Apparently not enough years for them to update the wiki(which still says 1.5). What sucks is if its been years I know like 10 people who quit over how tedious the token grind was. Hence the "poor communication kills". If these people knew Von3 dropped 2.5 instead of 1.5, some of them might have stayed. You think it's SSG updating the wikia? Noam, you are the reason why threads like this exist http://www.ddovault.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1664361314 When I used to be a child over 30 years ago, I wondered why power rangers announced their colours, it was because of you.


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	Artorias wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 10:21pm: You think it's SSG updating the wikia? Noam, you are the reason why threads like this exist http://www.ddovault.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1664361314 When I used to be a child over 30 years ago, I wondered why power rangers announced their colours, it was because of you. rofl <3

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ManyCookies Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 360 Joined: Nov 16^th, 2018	Re: Strange Choices In Item Design #37: Poor Communication Kills Reply #8 - Oct 1^st, 2022 at 11:56pm	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 2:08pm: Apparently not enough years for them to update the wiki(which still says 1.5). What sucks is if its been years I know like 10 people who quit over how tedious the token grind was. Hence the "poor communication kills". If these people knew Von3 dropped 2.5 instead of 1.5, some of them might have stayed. I'm not even sure why token farming is an issue anymore given that you would be running chains like Sentinels and VON on your way to cap, and iconic lives don't even require tokens so you can stockpile them. But the best token farm is bargain of blood anyway since you are guaranteed 1 token for a few minutes of running and you can ask people to pass them to you. The only time it was an issue for me when i was trying to TR at 20 because epic destinies required a seperate purchase and i couldn't kill mobs on elite without EDs, so had to get carried. But it seems odd there is a seperate token and heart seed system, at the very least you should be able to convert one to the other IMHO. And all the quests that give tokens are really old ones, they didn't bother to add it to the newer quests. Oh and another weird thing : red fens only drops about 50 token frags even on elite, i think it's the only chain that does that, consistency is not SSG's greatest suit...


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noamineo Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline All men fear time, but time fears the pyramids Posts: 9186 Location: Titan Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2014	Re: Strange Choices In Item Design #37: Poor Communication Kills Reply #9 - Oct 2^nd, 2022 at 1:39pm	Print Post
	ManyCookies wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 11:56pm: I'm not even sure why token farming is an issue anymore given that you would be running chains like Sentinels and VON on your way to cap, and iconic lives don't even require tokens so you can stockpile them. Racial lives. People generally only play 1-20 and TR immediately. In that situation it makes more sense to play your favorite/preferred build to cap, farm the tokens you need for a few lives, then TR. But its definitely tedious and the sheer number needs for racial completionist is rough. ManyCookies wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 11:56pm: But the best token farm is bargain of blood anyway since you are guaranteed 1 token for a few minutes of running and you can ask people to pass them to you. It is definitely great for the 7 runs a week before the chest hits ransack. I suppose if you play on alts you can get enough for a TR in about an hour. Personally I find 6-boxing von3 to be best. You can get 30 tokens in about half an hour. Unfortunately since I refuse to level-up a second set of chest-puller alts, I'm limited to only 105 tokens a week that way. ManyCookies wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 11:56pm: But it seems odd there is a separate token and heart seed system, at the very least you should be able to convert one to the other IMHO. And all the quests that give tokens are really old ones, they didn't bother to add it to the newer quests. That's the source of a lot of the complaints: its a small set of old quests we've all done a hundred million times. Its tedious. And you know whats even stupider about the token/seed system? The way the latest iteration of TR, racial went back to using tokens but didn't add any new token sources. Trully the jackoffs at SSG don't know their head from their ass. ManyCookies wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 11:56pm: Oh and another weird thing : red fens only drops about 50 token frags even on elite, i think it's the only chain that does that, consistency is not SSG's greatest suit... Yeah that annoyed the crap out of me while I was farm red fens items recently. Like ok I can get the 200 pack ingredients needed to legendary and item, but I would also like to gather some tokens along the way, please? But no.

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eighnuss Epic Poster Offline ด้้้้้ ͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩͩ ͩͩͩͩͩͩ Posts: 3532 Location: ด้้้้้็็็็็้้้้้็็็็็ ͩͩͩͩͩͩͩ Joined: Jan 30^th, 2013	Re: Strange Choices In Item Design #37: Poor Communication Kills Reply #10 - Oct 3^rd, 2022 at 3:46am	Print Post
	noamineo wrote on Oct 1^st, 2022 at 2:08pm: What sucks is if its been years I know like 10 people who quit over how tedious the token grind was. Hence the "poor communication kills". If these people knew Von3 dropped 2.5 instead of 1.5, some of them might have stayed. a raid party worth of players quit the game because they didnt know von 3 was dropping 2.5 tokens instead of 1.5 tokens

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	eighnuss wrote on Oct 3^rd, 2022 at 3:46am: a raid party worth of players quit the game because they didnt know von 3 was dropping 2.5 tokens instead of 1.5 tokens

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