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Look at this Monk and gimme pointers
Sep 2nd, 2010 at 6:03pm
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This is my current gimp dark path Monk: http://my.ddo.com/character/ghallanda/jhengji/                 was going for Ninja Spy; Wind IV & Unknown IV ( current mountain III).   I was trying to make him similar to Manfredshw's monk.   This one is missing +6 str , dex and wis items as I just levelled him before going off to work. Ima fix that when I get home.   He's used +2 tomes already also in his main stats. 
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Stunning Fist
Toughness
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Wpn. Focus Bludgeon
Imp. Crit Bludgeon
2 wpn fighting feats ( adding last @15th)
Finesse ( may swap out if I raise his str higher than dex)

What item setup should I be going for at cap?

Any "tips" from you cod satchel's would be appreciated. Cheesy


Oh, and he's in wind stance III upon logout.
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Reply #1 - Sep 2nd, 2010 at 7:45pm
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Nevthial wrote on Sep 2nd, 2010 at 6:03pm:
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Don't roll a monk.

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I've been working on going with the advice from this guy:

http://my.ddo.com/character/sarlona/wisller/

He swears buy his Human Dark Path , and says with his  stats he lands everything in epic. Meh, I'll just stick to his path I guess.
  
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Reply #4 - Sep 2nd, 2010 at 9:23pm
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YOur monk looks nothing like his monk.
  

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Reply #5 - Sep 2nd, 2010 at 9:42pm
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Antir wrote on Sep 2nd, 2010 at 9:23pm:
YOur monk looks nothing like his monk.


Not yet, I still need my gear and tomes for my stats. ( He's got exceptional bonuses and +4 tomes added in his , mine's still 2 points low in str & wis ,  and 1 point low in dex until I get home and swap items.  I also didn't go with +4 to wis from enhancements yet as mine is only a 13 and don't need the boost just yet.) My projected stats @ 20th in raid mode w/o madstone or yugo pots, ect should be around:
Str : 28
Dex: 26
Con: 28
Int:  10
Wis: 30
Cha: 10
  
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Reply #6 - Sep 2nd, 2010 at 10:58pm
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can u hit anything?

what does he mean by land everything? i doubt he took stunning fist, he took stunning blow
  
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Nevthial wrote on Sep 2nd, 2010 at 9:42pm:
Not yet, I still need my gear and tomes for my stats. ( He's got exceptional bonuses and +4 tomes added in his , mine's still 2 points low in str & wis ,  and 1 point low in dex until I get home and swap items.  I also didn't go with +4 to wis from enhancements yet as mine is only a 13 and don't need the boost just yet.) My projected stats @ 20th in raid mode w/o madstone or yugo pots, ect should be around:
Str : 28
Dex: 26
Con: 28
Int:  10
Wis: 30
Cha: 10

Yes, so your monk looks nothing like his monk.
  

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Reply #8 - Sep 3rd, 2010 at 5:20am
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Aranticus wrote on Sep 2nd, 2010 at 10:58pm:
can u hit anything?

what does he mean by land everything? i doubt he took stunning fist, he took stunning blow


Manfredshw says only stunning fist.  He says stunning blow is a waste for a properly played Monk and that the problem is most players don't know how or when to use finishing moves. I tend to agree with him based on the Monks I've seen in game being played.

Hitting things?  Yep , so far this character has been a breeze to run. ( Solo/Duo/Trio play it's almost a joke.) I'm swapping out Finesse as well when his STR surpasses his DEX. For twitch play, I love this character.

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?p=3213711#post3213711

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?p=3227952#post3227952
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Reply #9 - Sep 3rd, 2010 at 5:29am
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Antir wrote on Sep 3rd, 2010 at 3:17am:
Yes, so your monk looks nothing like his monk.


His ( Not his TR stats , as mine isn't TR'd yet ):
STR : 30
DEX : 26
CON :24
INT: 9
WIS : 32
CHA : 14

Mine:
STR : 28
DEX :26
CON :28
INT :10
WIS :30 ( note his Wis on his TR)
CHA : 10 ( 16 w/ item )

If by nothing you mean I'm giving up +1 to hit/dmg for +20 hp versus his, then yes. Though , I doubt anyone would agree it means nothing like his. LOL
  
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Reply #10 - Sep 3rd, 2010 at 5:36am
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Nevthial wrote on Sep 3rd, 2010 at 5:29am:
His:
STR : 36
DEX : 28
CON :26
INT: 11
WIS : 28
CHA : 18

Mine:
STR : 28
DEX :26
CON :28
INT :10
WIS :30 ( note his Wis on his TR)
CHA : 10 ( 16 w/ item )

If by nothing you mean I'm giving up +1 to hit/dmg for +20 hp versus his, then yes. Though , I doubt anyone would agree it means nothing like his. LOL

Corrections in red.
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Reply #11 - Sep 3rd, 2010 at 5:41am
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Antir wrote on Sep 3rd, 2010 at 5:36am:
Corrections in red.



LOL , maybe you need to go back to school.  I specifically stated NOT his TR, but his pre-TR stats. Mine ISN'T a TR yet.
  
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Nevthial wrote on Sep 3rd, 2010 at 5:41am:
LOL , maybe you need to go back to school.  I specifically stated NOT his TR, but his pre-TR stats. Mine ISN'T a TR yet.

Everything you say is qualified by ifs.

You have already made up your mind.

Your toon is gimped, i showed you a place for good advice and you dismissed it.

You can TR to change and adjust to suit your playstyle. Dont listen dont ask.

You didnt want advice you wanted people to pat you on the back.
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Reply #13 - Sep 3rd, 2010 at 5:57am
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Antir wrote on Sep 3rd, 2010 at 5:51am:
showed you a place for good advice and you dismissed it.


The place you listed is fucked up. It still incorrectly states that wraps dont add to stunning fist for starters.


Nevthial wrote on Sep 2nd, 2010 at 6:03pm:
What item setup should I be going for at cap?


Again, reading comprehension FTW.
  
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Nevthial wrote on Sep 3rd, 2010 at 5:20am:
Manfredshw says only stunning fist.  He says stunning blow is a waste for a properly played Monk and that the problem is most players don't know how or when to use finishing moves. I tend to agree with him based on the Monks I've seen in game being played.

Hitting things?  Yep , so far this character has been a breeze to run. ( Solo/Duo/Trio play it's almost a joke.) I'm swapping out Finesse as well when his STR surpasses his DEX. For twitch play, I love this character.

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?p=3213711#post3213711

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?p=3227952#post3227952


he has 36 str and 28 wis. his stunning blow dc should be higher prior to the HW fix to stunners

stunning blow = 10+13+10 = 33
stunning fist = 10+10+9 = 29

with the fix to HW, his stunning fist would be at 39 but stunning fist has a cooldown. rotate between fist and stun, you wont leave anything standing. what else would you spend your feats on? most players dun know finishers. alot of people posting here do  Cool
  
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Antir wrote on Sep 3rd, 2010 at 5:36am:
Corrections in red.


grandmaster stance
  
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Aranticus wrote on Sep 3rd, 2010 at 7:38am:
grandmaster stance

He is the one who defined the parameters of MYddo.
  

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Nevthial wrote on Sep 3rd, 2010 at 5:57am:
The place you listed is fucked up. It still incorrectly states that wraps dont add to stunning fist for starters.



Again, reading comprehension FTW.

You found an error *clap*

Did you learn anything? As far as i can tell no. So when you have learned something come back and tell me so i know you brain is capable of thinking.
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Antir wrote on Sep 3rd, 2010 at 9:02am:
You found an error *clap*

Did you learn anything? As far as i can tell no. So when you have learned something come back and tell me so i know you brain is capable of thinking.


I learned that as usual, utilizing a class' potential to it's fullest is still overlooked by most of the playerbase.  Hence most of the posted monk builds not relying on finishing moves.  To me a monk is just like playing a caster. You have to hit more than two or three buttons or your not playing at 100%.   Relying on pure DPS only is kind of a waste for the class.   It's more about cycling through SF and appropriate finshers/attacks so they are always off coolddown when needed.

From the links you gave:
I'm going to break down 2 different play styles, and these are the play styles I feel are the only ones viable at the end-game and epic level. The two play styles (in no significant order) are:
The all out DPS Monk (STR Based, Dark Path) (Where's the advice about Wis and finishing moves?)
The Support Monk (STR or DEX Based, Light Path)
Is this the beginner playstyle for a Dark Monk? If you're not using finishing moves, you need to be on a simple no-brain Barb, not a Monk.
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22 STR: 12 + 2 tome + 6 item + 1 litany + 1 exceptional(my 94 year old grandmother hits harder)
32 DEX: 16 + 2 tome + 2 enhancement + 7 item + 1 litany + 4 wind stance (+2 yug pot=34)
20 CON: 14 + 1 tome + 6 item + 1 litany- 2 wind stance(gimped hit points)
14 INT: 12 base + 1 tome + 1 litany
34 WIS: 16 + 2 tome + 5 levels + 1 exceptional + 6 item + 3 enhancement + 1 litany (+2 yug pot=36)( Slightly too much Wisdom unless is an AC build ( which is useless for my playstyle)
11 CHA: 8 base + 2 tome + 1 litany



That's more than one error in advice for the build/playstyle I use.





  
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Reply #19 - Sep 3rd, 2010 at 12:35pm
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Nevthial wrote on Sep 3rd, 2010 at 12:25pm:
I learned that as usual, utilizing a class' potential to it's fullest is still overlooked by most of the playerbase.  Hence most of the posted monk builds not relying on finishing moves.  To me a monk is just like playing a caster. You have to hit more than two or three buttons or your not playing at 100%.   Relying on pure DPS only is kind of a waste for the class.   It's more about cycling through SF and appropriate finshers/attacks so they are always off coolddown when needed.

From the links you gave:
I'm going to break down 2 different play styles, and these are the play styles I feel are the only ones viable at the end-game and epic level. The two play styles (in no significant order) are:
The all out DPS Monk (STR Based, Dark Path) (Where's the advice about Wis and finishing moves?)
The Support Monk (STR or DEX Based, Light Path)
Is this the beginner playstyle for a Dark Monk? If you're not using finishing moves, you need to be on a simple no-brain Barb, not a Monk.
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22 STR: 12 + 2 tome + 6 item + 1 litany + 1 exceptional(my 94 year old grandmother hits harder)
32 DEX: 16 + 2 tome + 2 enhancement + 7 item + 1 litany + 4 wind stance (+2 yug pot=34)
20 CON: 14 + 1 tome + 6 item + 1 litany- 2 wind stance(gimped hit points)
14 INT: 12 base + 1 tome + 1 litany
34 WIS: 16 + 2 tome + 5 levels + 1 exceptional + 6 item + 3 enhancement + 1 litany (+2 yug pot=36)( Slightly too much Wisdom unless is an AC build ( which is useless for my playstyle)
11 CHA: 8 base + 2 tome + 1 litany



That's more than one error in advice for the build/playstyle I use.






Those stats are close to what I have for my lt monk. I have 462 hit points with a hp cloak, unbuffed. I do ok.
  

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Reply #20 - Sep 3rd, 2010 at 12:52pm
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stainer wrote on Sep 3rd, 2010 at 12:35pm:
Those stats are close to what I have for my lt monk. I have 462 hit points with a hp cloak, unbuffed. I do ok.


Right on. If I had gone light instead of dark, I would've went hafling and high AC as well.  Since my guildie went hafling AC style, I went human str/wis on mine for variety. ( and the fact that I've never been able to play a hafling since they run like Quasimodo   Smiley)
  
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Reply #21 - Sep 3rd, 2010 at 4:55pm
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Nevthial wrote on Sep 3rd, 2010 at 12:25pm:
I learned that as usual, utilizing a class' potential to it's fullest is still overlooked by most of the playerbase.  Hence most of the posted monk builds not relying on finishing moves.  To me a monk is just like playing a caster. You have to hit more than two or three buttons or your not playing at 100%.   Relying on pure DPS only is kind of a waste for the class.   It's more about cycling through SF and appropriate finshers/attacks so they are always off coolddown when needed.

From the links you gave:
I'm going to break down 2 different play styles, and these are the play styles I feel are the only ones viable at the end-game and epic level. The two play styles (in no significant order) are:
The all out DPS Monk (STR Based, Dark Path) (Where's the advice about Wis and finishing moves?)
The Support Monk (STR or DEX Based, Light Path)
Is this the beginner playstyle for a Dark Monk? If you're not using finishing moves, you need to be on a simple no-brain Barb, not a Monk.
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22 STR: 12 + 2 tome + 6 item + 1 litany + 1 exceptional(my 94 year old grandmother hits harder)
32 DEX: 16 + 2 tome + 2 enhancement + 7 item + 1 litany + 4 wind stance (+2 yug pot=34)
20 CON: 14 + 1 tome + 6 item + 1 litany- 2 wind stance(gimped hit points)
14 INT: 12 base + 1 tome + 1 litany
34 WIS: 16 + 2 tome + 5 levels + 1 exceptional + 6 item + 3 enhancement + 1 litany (+2 yug pot=36)( Slightly too much Wisdom unless is an AC build ( which is useless for my playstyle)
11 CHA: 8 base + 2 tome + 1 litany



That's more than one error in advice for the build/playstyle I use.






So you didnt learn anything. What a surprise.

The threads i showed you have explained fully their philosphy and are the best guides for true optimizers.

So here is my advice build your gimp monk have fun and NEVER ASK FOR ADVICE!
  

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Reply #22 - Sep 3rd, 2010 at 5:23pm
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Antir wrote on Sep 3rd, 2010 at 4:55pm:
The threads i showed you have explained fully their philosphy and are the best guides for true optimizers.


The guides you posted have nothing to do with a Human, Dark Path , Str/Wis monk.   Rockna's hafling Monk build is great for a high AC DEX build ( which mine isn't LOL). The other guide isn't accurate enough since the TWF changes, and it totally disregards Dark Path finishers which isn't optimization in any shape or form for a Dark Path monk.


Besides, you don't even play a monk, so what do you know about it ? 

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Reply #23 - Sep 3rd, 2010 at 5:26pm
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just wait till the new PrC fixes are out, that way, you dont fuck tings up, again. I mean, shit, we're getting halforcs soon enough, thats going to change everything (well not too much, but you get the point)
  

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Reply #24 - Sep 3rd, 2010 at 5:36pm
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Harkins wrote on Sep 3rd, 2010 at 5:26pm:
just wait till the new PrC fixes are out, that way, you dont fuck tings up, again. I mean, shit, we're getting halforcs soon enough, thats going to change everything (well not too much, but you get the point)


Meh, I quit caring about game changes when they fixed the heavy armour evasion bug and ruined my Batman build. I learned then that they'll just fuck up something no matter what. It's far too easy to cap out or TR a character if one just decides to do it.
  
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