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Ruinhorn Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 163 Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010	34 pt Half Orc - 3 builds to choose from Oct 4^th, 2010 at 10:13am	Print Post
	Will be TRing Ruin into a one of these builds. Just need to choose between them. Rogue - 716 DPS for 4.5 minute duration, 607 after 18/2 B/F - 553 DPS for 4 minute duration, 531 after 20 F - 570 DPS for 7.5 minutes, 484 after Rogue Stats: Str - 20 Dex - 15 Con - 15 or 14 Wis - 8 Int - 8 or 10 Cha - 6 Feats 1 - TWF 3 - Khopesh 6 - PA 9 - ITWF 12 - IC: Slashing 15 - GTWF 18 - Quickdraw 10 - Opportunist 13 - Improved Evasion 16 - Crippling Strike 19 - Slippery Mind Enhancements Rogue haste boost IV - 10 AP Rogue extra action boost II - 6 AP Rogue sneak attack training IV - 10 AP Rogue capstone - 2 AP Rogue assassin III - 8 AP Rogue SA accuracy IV - 10 AP Rogue subtle backstabbing III - 6 AP Rogue Damage boost II - 3 AP Rogue Move Silently II - 3 AP Rogue Hide II - 3 AP Rogue Faster Sneaking I - 1 AP = 62 AP Half Orc enhancements: Str II - 6 AP PA III - 6 AP Action Boost II - 6 AP = 18 AP ---------------------------------------------------------- 18/2 Barb/Fighter Stats Str - 20 Dex - 15 Con - 16 Int - 6 Wis - 8 Cha - 6 Feats 1 - TWF 3 (F) - PA, Khopesh 6 - Cleave 9 - ITWF 12 - IC: Slashing 15 - GTWF 18 - Stunning Blow 20 (F) - Quick Draw Enhancements Fighter Haste Boost I - 1 AP Fighter Strength I - 2 AP Barbarian Damage Boost IV - 10 AP Barbarian Power Rage IV - 10 AP Barbarian Extend Rage II - 3 AP Barbarian Extra Rage II - 3 AP Barbarian Hardy Rage III - 6 AP Barbarian Sprint Boost I - 1 AP Barbarian Toughness II - 3 AP Barbarian Power Attack III - 6 AP Frenzied Berserker III - 8 AP = 53 AP Str II - 6 AP Half Orc Power Attack III - 6 AP Half Orc Extra Action Boost III - 12 AP Power Rage II - 3 AP = 27 AP ---------------------------------------------------------- 20 Fighter Stats Str - 20 Dex - 15 Con - 16 Int - 6 Wis - 8 Cha - 6 Feats 1 - Toughness 3 - Two Weapon Fighting 6 - Khopesh 9 - Improved Two Weapon Fighting 12 - Greater Two Weapon Fighting 15 - Mobility 18 - Stunning Blow 1 - (F) Power Attack 2 - (F) Weapon Focus 4 - (F) Oversized TWF 6 - (F) Weapon Specialization 8 - (F) Improved Critical: Slashing 10 - (F) Greater Weapon Focus 12 - (F) Greater Weapon Specialization 14 - (F) Dodge 16 - (F) Superior Weapon Focus 18 - (F) Spring Attack 20 -� (F) Quick Draw Enhancements Fighter Attack Boost III - 6 AP Fighter Extra Action Boost II - 6 AP Fighter Haste Boost IV - 10 AP Fighter Weapon Alacrity - 2 AP Kensei Khopesh Mastery III - 3 AP Fighter Critical Accuracy III - 6 AP Fighter Kensei III - 8 AP Fighter Khopesh Specialization II - 3 AP Fighter Strength III - 10 AP Fighter Flanking Mastery I - 2 AP Fighter Toughness I - 1 AP = 56 AP Str II - 6 AP Half Orc Power Attack III - 6 AP Half Orc Extra Action Boost III - 12 AP = 24 AP
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stainer Arkat's Bitch Offline Gawna's big sexy crony! Posts: 12345 Location: gawna's nuts Joined: Jan 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: 34 pt Half Orc - 3 builds to choose from Reply #1 - Oct 4^th, 2010 at 10:25am	Print Post
	More of a question - Would a different race be suited better for TWF? From what I read 1/2 Orc syncs well with THF. I am not that experienced at building or TRing, so I am curious.

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woody Shroud Slacker Offline Pass the popcorn Posts: 1078 Joined: Jan 26^th, 2010	Re: 34 pt Half Orc - 3 builds to choose from Reply #2 - Oct 4^th, 2010 at 10:28am	Print Post
	stainer wrote on Oct 4^th, 2010 at 10:25am: More of a question - Would a different race be suited better for TWF? From what I read 1/2 Orc syncs well with THF. I am not that experienced at building or TRing, so I am curious. From everything I read they do tend to synch well with THF becasue they have enchancment lines like a WF as well as a damage line for THF weps. They seem to be made especially for Barbs but would prolly excell in most DPS classes. Although the only advantage I see from the 18/2 barb/fig is some extra feats and haste boost. Why not go full THF barb?
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Eladiun Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Two Time Loser Posts: 8398 Location: Rhode Island, USA Joined: Jun 17^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: 34 pt Half Orc - 3 builds to choose from Reply #3 - Oct 4^th, 2010 at 10:36am	Print Post
	stainer wrote on Oct 4^th, 2010 at 10:25am: More of a question - Would a different race be suited better for TWF? From what I read 1/2 Orc syncs well with THF. I am not that experienced at building or TRing, so I am curious. From what I have read it looks like Half-Orc Barbs will have DPS as if they had a pocket bard.� I'm seriously considering a fast TR of my Dwarf THF to Half-Orc Barb just to enjoy the insanity before the U9 nerf.
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stainer Arkat's Bitch Offline Gawna's big sexy crony! Posts: 12345 Location: gawna's nuts Joined: Jan 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: 34 pt Half Orc - 3 builds to choose from Reply #4 - Oct 4^th, 2010 at 11:30am	Print Post
	Eladiun wrote on Oct 4^th, 2010 at 10:36am: From what I have read it looks like Half-Orc Barbs will have DPS as if they had a pocket bard.� I'm seriously considering a fast TR of my Dwarf THF to Half-Orc Barb just to enjoy the insanity before the U9 nerf. Dreadler may get the same treatment. There may be a shortage of lvl 20 barbs in the near future. At least until everyone finishes TRing.

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woody Shroud Slacker Offline Pass the popcorn Posts: 1078 Joined: Jan 26^th, 2010	Re: 34 pt Half Orc - 3 builds to choose from Reply #5 - Oct 4^th, 2010 at 11:43am	Print Post
	stainer wrote on Oct 4^th, 2010 at 11:30am: Dreadler may get the same treatment. There may be a shortage of lvl 20 barbs in the near future. At least until everyone finishes TRing. A shortage of high lvl barbs and an over abundunce of low lvl barbs. In fact I am pretty sure that when this hits live Korthos will look like a tribe of flaming great weapon weilding orcs and screams of HJEALS ME!!1!! will be filling up general chat.
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Vissarion DQ Assaulter Offline Posts: 493 Joined: Jul 23^rd, 2010 Gender:	Re: 34 pt Half Orc - 3 builds to choose from Reply #6 - Oct 4^th, 2010 at 11:44am	Print Post
	stainer wrote on Oct 4^th, 2010 at 10:25am: More of a question - Would a different race be suited better for TWF? From what I read 1/2 Orc syncs well with THF. I am not that experienced at building or TRing, so I am curious. I was thinking along the same lines when I was planning to roll up a Half Orc THF melee after U7 comes out, but I did out the calcs and a TWF Half Orc with Khopeshes will still out-dps THF versions, with the possible exception of THF Barbarian. My calcs may be off, but seem pretty accurate. Of course, I should note that I was doing the comparison for a 12 Fighter/6 Barbarian/2 Rogue builds, with the THF version using Falchion and the TWF using Khopeshes. Not sure how generalizable the results are, but I'd suspect they are. Edit: The new update 7 glancing blows formula will probably help THF catch up, but I was calculating mainly for single-target DPS.
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stainer Arkat's Bitch Offline Gawna's big sexy crony! Posts: 12345 Location: gawna's nuts Joined: Jan 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: 34 pt Half Orc - 3 builds to choose from Reply #7 - Oct 4^th, 2010 at 11:46am	Print Post
	woody wrote on Oct 4^th, 2010 at 11:43am: A shortage of high lvl barbs and an over abundunce of low lvl barbs. In fact I am pretty sure that when this hits live Korthos will look like a tribe of flaming great weapon weilding orcs and screams of HJEALS ME!!1!! will be filling up general chat. Good time to level a cleric. :p

	Nilazgrc: For all those familiar with loreseekers/sentinels.... Dont run with Stainer.... Guy is a tool. Black list his toons. kmack can drive the tractor. The Vault donates to charity. JDollar wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 4:47pm: Stainer likes tractors
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Gornn Horoluth Raider Offline Cracker Fiend Posts: 2241 Joined: Jun 26^th, 2009	Re: 34 pt Half Orc - 3 builds to choose from Reply #8 - Oct 4^th, 2010 at 12:18pm	Print Post
	stainer wrote on Oct 4^th, 2010 at 11:46am: Good time to level a cleric. :p I thought the same thing, but I have no low level packs. Of course I thought about doing it when monks came out too, but that was a painful experiment that was short lived. Mind you stainer, god killed a kitten the moment you hit "post message" for a response that included the word "cleric"

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stainer Arkat's Bitch Offline Gawna's big sexy crony! Posts: 12345 Location: gawna's nuts Joined: Jan 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: 34 pt Half Orc - 3 builds to choose from Reply #9 - Oct 4^th, 2010 at 12:46pm	Print Post
	Gornn wrote on Oct 4^th, 2010 at 12:18pm: I thought the same thing, but I have no low level packs. Of course I thought about doing it when monks came out too, but that was a painful experiment that was short lived. Mind you stainer, god killed a kitten the moment you hit "post message" for a response that included the word "cleric" OOO... I wasn't poking that particular button, but I see how in could be construed that way. It would be a good time to level any healing class with all those half-orcs running around.

	Nilazgrc: For all those familiar with loreseekers/sentinels.... Dont run with Stainer.... Guy is a tool. Black list his toons. kmack can drive the tractor. The Vault donates to charity. JDollar wrote on Apr 25^th, 2013 at 4:47pm: Stainer likes tractors
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Schmoe Epic Poster Offline One world, one soul Posts: 4219 Location: A chair Joined: Jun 9^th, 2010	Re: 34 pt Half Orc - 3 builds to choose from Reply #10 - Oct 4^th, 2010 at 1:06pm	Print Post
	Ruinhorn wrote on Oct 4^th, 2010 at 10:13am: Will be TRing Ruin into a one of these builds. Just need to choose between them. Rogue - 716 DPS for 4.5 minute duration, 607 after 18/2 B/F - 553 DPS for 4 minute duration, 531 after 20 F - 570 DPS for 7.5 minutes, 484 after Rogue Stats: Str - 20 Dex - 15 Con - 15 or 14 Wis - 8 Int - 8 or 10 Cha - 6 Feats 1 - TWF 3 - Khopesh 6 - PA 9 - ITWF 12 - IC: Slashing 15 - GTWF 18 - Quickdraw I'm not sure which way I would go (although I'm itching to try out a rogue), but it appears that you forgot Toughness. You probably need to drop Quickdraw for the Toughness if you don't want to be a half-orc yoyo.

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Ruinhorn Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 163 Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010	Re: 34 pt Half Orc - 3 builds to choose from Reply #11 - Oct 4^th, 2010 at 2:17pm	Print Post
	Quote: From what I read 1/2 Orc syncs well with THF Not going THF Barb because they are weak. For them to maintain there DPS in U7 they will have to stand on the spot not moving, this DPS is also lower than TWF. If you are going to roll a THF melee make it a pure Fighter and make sure you know how to twitch. Note that THF GS to Epic SoS is a large leap and without the best THF weapon you will be not so good DPS. Quote: it appears that you forgot Toughness For the Rogue build I get free 10 HP from the Barb past life and I cannot afford many toughness enhancements which is why the Int is low and the con is relatively high. Quote: Why not go full THF barb 8 Haste boosts and 2 feats increases your DPS more than 4 str, there is not much reason to go pure Barb atm. Quote: 12 Fighter/6 Barbarian/2 Rogue The 12/6/2 F/B/R is good and I was going to TR another toon into one, however fitting in the extra HO enhancements along with the rest of the class enhancements is a pain, plus imo you have to spend so much time managing agro for the 2 Rogue levels and activating boosts (power surge, haste boost, rage, frenzy) that its not overly practical. Quote: Would a different race be suited better for TWF Either Halfling Rogue (+4 flanking to hit, +8 SA) Or HO (+4 str, +3 PA, -1 to hit)

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Gornn Horoluth Raider Offline Cracker Fiend Posts: 2241 Joined: Jun 26^th, 2009	Re: 34 pt Half Orc - 3 builds to choose from Reply #12 - Oct 4^th, 2010 at 3:01pm	Print Post
	stainer wrote on Oct 4^th, 2010 at 12:46pm: OOO... I wasn't poking that particular button, but I see how in could be construed that way. It would be a good time to level any healing class with all those half-orcs running around. Oh I knew what you meant.

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Vissarion DQ Assaulter Offline Posts: 493 Joined: Jul 23^rd, 2010 Gender:	Re: 34 pt Half Orc - 3 builds to choose from Reply #13 - Oct 4^th, 2010 at 4:03pm	Print Post
	Ruinhorn wrote on Oct 4^th, 2010 at 2:17pm: The 12/6/2 F/B/R is good and I was going to TR another toon into one, however fitting in the extra HO enhancements along with the rest of the class enhancements is a pain, plus imo you have to spend so much time managing agro for the 2 Rogue levels and activating boosts (power surge, haste boost, rage, frenzy) that its not overly practical. Yeah, managing the clickies is a bit of a pain, but I've gotten used to playing my Monk and cycling through ki moves constantly, so I don't imagine that it's much worse. Dunno, guess I'll find out. Not too concerned about the managing aggro part. If I get sneak attacks, great, if not, I still like evasion and full UMD. I have a couple pretty good intimitanks in my guild that typically come along for VoD, ToD, etc, so I figure I'll get my sneak attacks in when it counts.

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Strakeln Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Lumberjack Posts: 12345 Joined: Jun 27^th, 2009	Re: 34 pt Half Orc - 3 builds to choose from Reply #14 - Oct 4^th, 2010 at 11:30pm	Print Post
	Depending on equipment and style of play, you can sometimes drop power rage IV from the 18/2 and free up some action points. For this purpose, guild buffs should be considered equipment.

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Milton Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 746 Joined: Sep 24^th, 2010	Re: 34 pt Half Orc - 3 builds to choose from Reply #15 - Oct 5^th, 2010 at 12:02am	Print Post
	Go the rogue build... Everybody and his dog gonna have a Half-Orc Barbarian or Fighter that first week. Think I'm gonna try a Half-Orc Warchanter Pure Bard... just gotta find a way to make it work well is all.


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Emili Shroud Slacker Offline Posts: 1241 Location: here Joined: Jun 30^th, 2009	Re: 34 pt Half Orc - 3 builds to choose from Reply #16 - Oct 5^th, 2010 at 2:49am	Print Post
	Milton wrote on Oct 5^th, 2010 at 12:02am: Go the rogue build... Everybody and his dog gonna have a Half-Orc Barbarian or Fighter that first week. Think I'm gonna try a Half-Orc Warchanter Pure Bard... just gotta find a way to make it work well is all. I agree... Half-orc rogue will be a heavy dps build. Fact is lends well in any 3/4 BaB melee class

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Ruinhorn Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 163 Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010	Re: 34 pt Half Orc - 3 builds to choose from Reply #17 - Oct 5^th, 2010 at 7:27am	Print Post
	Milton wrote on Oct 5^th, 2010 at 12:02am: Go the rogue build... Everybody and his dog gonna have a Half-Orc Barbarian or Fighter that first week. Think I'm gonna try a Half-Orc Warchanter Pure Bard... just gotta find a way to make it work well is all. I wont roll a build because not everyone has one, I'll roll it because it is the most effective killer. HO WC will be very easy to build as you do not need many Bard enhancements leaving plenty free to spend on splashes and HO enhancements.

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Ruinhorn Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 163 Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010	Re: 34 pt Half Orc - 3 builds to choose from Reply #18 - Oct 5^th, 2010 at 12:25pm	Print Post
	Apparently modify made me double post. Looks like I forgot Khopesh proficiency for the Fighter
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Gornn Horoluth Raider Offline Cracker Fiend Posts: 2241 Joined: Jun 26^th, 2009	Re: 34 pt Half Orc - 3 builds to choose from Reply #19 - Oct 5^th, 2010 at 12:47pm	Print Post
	Milton wrote on Oct 5^th, 2010 at 12:02am: Go the rogue build... Everybody and his dog gonna have a Half-Orc Barbarian or Fighter that first week. Think I'm gonna try a Half-Orc Warchanter Pure Bard... just gotta find a way to make it work well is all. I think with the THF enhancements, you can make a pretty effective warchanter bard, same as you could with WF...except HOs get str instead of con and their self heals are fully effective.

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Alekx VoD Slasher Offline Argonnessen Posts: 1895 Location: NYC Joined: Aug 21^st, 2009	Re: 34 pt Half Orc - 3 builds to choose from Reply #20 - Oct 5^th, 2010 at 3:46pm	Print Post
	Gornn wrote on Oct 5^th, 2010 at 12:47pm: I think with the THF enhancements, you can make a pretty effective warchanter bard, same as you could with WF...except HOs get str instead of con and their self heals are fully effective. a max str gthf ho wc sounds fun, id definitely reroll my dwarf wc into a 34� ho
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