simple one really. what is the prob with the on going hate on bastard swords? If you take all the feats for THF, you IMHO can do more  by being able to use a great sword, blah, blah,blah  or even blah.

or you can take a shield and use a bastard sword.

i like my light & darkness shield (up graded) and a bastard sword. I just don't understand  why that TWF kophesh has to be the end all or be all.

yes i know about the thing called DPS, but as i have all the THF feats i also have greatswords that i like to play  with.

i just don't want to be the same as the other 600 builds that need kopesh and only kopesh to matter.... 
just seem sometimes like your are putting you self in a spot like that.....

I don't particularly have a problem with bastard sword hate. I kinda like hating bastard swords.

Ok, serious response: to exceed kopesh damage, you're deliberately putting yourself more in harms way by agroing anything from 2-3 times more mobs as the kopesh guy. Doesn't sit well with folks that ignore damage mitigation, or look at the best defense as being your enemy laying bleeding on the ground. Least I'm guessing where that's coming from, but then, I've only the one toon specced for those, and that ones a sustained AOE/high AC experiment anyways.

I use a Rad II GS bastard sword on my Pali-Rogue along with the Light and Darkness shield as well.

Now that bastard swords get glancing blows, I find it to be quite a decent weapon and I certainly like using it a lot more then a kopesh.


Kit

http://forums.ddo.com/showthread.php?t=279816

I hate this guy so much.

kitsune_ko wrote on Oct 14^th, 2010 at 10:12am:

Wooosh! i missed something, Bastard Swords get glancing blows now? Though i havent been playing my Fighter very much to notice.

All i know is that Bastards have bigger swords and that is what counts isnt it

woody wrote on Oct 14^th, 2010 at 6:14pm:

Ah then it is mostly useless but nice to know.

Okay, I'm writing a response to that thread and I know I got something wrong.  I just can't find my mistake.  I'm coming out with 999 damage in 20 swings with a MinII Bastard Sword and 1000.5 damage in 20 swings with a MinII Khopesh.  That can't be right.

Generic melee person with 40 Strength, +10 damage from other sources (favored enemy or whatever), Seeker +6 and a Min II Bastard Sword or a Min II Khopesh

A Melee combatant with 40 Strength with an additional +10 damage from other various sources weilding a +5 Holy/Acid Burst/Acid Blast Keen Slicing Bastard Sword (i.e. a Mineral II Bastard Sword) with a +6 Seeker item

1 in 20 attacks miss on average
15 in 20 attacks on average do 2d8 base + 15 Str + 10 other + 2d6 Holy + 1d6 Acid +1d4 Slicing damage for an average of 47 damage
3 in 20 attacks on average do 2d8 base + 15 Str + 10 other + 2d6 Holy + 1d6 Acid +1d4 Slicing + 1d10 Acid Burst + 1d10 Acid Blast +12 Seeker damage for an average of 70 damage
1 in 20 attacks (Acid Blast does bonus on a confirmed roll of 20) on average do 2d8 base + 15 Str + 10 other + 2d6 Holy + 1d6 Acid +1d4 Slicing + 1d10 Acid Burst + 1d10 Acid Blast +4d6 extra Acid Blast +12 Seeker damage for an average of 84 damage

Over the course of 20 attcks, you'll average 999 Damage


A Melee combatant with 40 Strength with an additional +10 damage from other various sources weilding a +5 Holy/Acid Burst/Acid Blast Keen Slicing Khopesh (i.e. a Mineral II Khopesh) with a +6 Seeker item

1 in 20 attacks miss on average
15 in 20 attacks on average do 1d10 base + 15 Str + 10 other + 2d6 Holy + 1d6 Acid +1d4 Slicing damage for an average of 43.5 damage
3 in 20 attacks on average do 1d10 base + 15 Str + 10 other + 2d6 Holy + 1d6 Acid +1d4 Slicing + 2d10 Acid Burst + 2d10 Acid Blast +18 Seeker damage for an average of 83.5 damage
1 in 20 attacks (Acid Blast does bonus on a confirmed roll of 20) on average do 1d10 base + 15 Str + 10 other + 2d6 Holy + 1d6 Acid +1d4 Slicing + 2d10 Acid Burst + 2d10 Acid Blast +4d6 extra Acid Blast +18 Seeker damage for an average of 97.5 damage

Over the course of 20 attacks , you will average 1000.5 damage.

popejubal wrote on Oct 14^th, 2010 at 9:07pm:



You forgot to multiple the base + str + other damage by the crit multiplier.  Duh.   

I thought a bastard sword was the illegitimate son of a hooker....now I know why everyone wants to keep handling them.

But, Bastard Sword is not a terrible item....except it costs a feat, and has a terrible crit modifier.....

To the OP
If you're fighting kobolds then go Bastard Sword...but then you might as well go dwarven axe (if you're willing to spend a feat) or long sword (which is free). Over extended periods of time though the bastard sword become more and more inefficient.

kitsune_ko wrote on Oct 15^th, 2010 at 2:37pm:


All the Bastard Sword defense posts come down to the argument of 'well the damage is real close to a khopesh' but that isn't the point.  They both cost a FEAT so why spend the feat on a BS so you can do LESS damage than if you use a khopesh.  There are really only 2 reasons...

1) I can load up on awesome Bastard Swords for a 1/3 of what it would cost for Khopesh's.
2) I like the look/flavor of Bastard Swords

Most will accept reason one as valid especially for new players on a feat rich character.  MinMaxers will punch themselves in the face over point 2.

kitsune_ko wrote on Oct 15^th, 2010 at 2:37pm:

Oo look a wall of text based on ignorance,

kitsune_ko wrote on Oct 15^th, 2010 at 7:34pm:


there are other ways to do that, ie slowing down your attacks, do not use boost, do not use PA. it is easy to reduce your DPS but your max dps cannot be increased that easily

also, not one is interested in how many swings you take to kill a trog in shroud. endgamers are only interested in how much time you take to kill arraetrikos. when a quest/raid is dependant on boss killing, that is where DPS factors come in. look at the raids. when do healers use any resources cept at boss fights? (unless of coz the healer suck)

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by all comparison, when you spent that feat you are making a choice, khopesh or bastard

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coz blinded mobs move randomly and that means you take a slower time to kill them? seriously kit, your understanding of the game isnt as profound as antir's

And again, this is why I simply love discussing things with little minds. They can see only the little things and never the larger point one tries to make.

I love people who insist that "that third so-called tree by the rock over there is actually a shrub, so see, your wrong" when I am telling them we are standing in a goddam forest.

Or in this case "It takes more then 3 hits, it takes average 10.567 so anything you say after this is invalid"

So yes, it may take more then 3 hits oh great sages of DDO, I did not make exact calculations for each mob with a hit-to-kill ratio to provide for your consideration and approval and for this you have my most sincere apologies.

Now that the nitpicking is done if we can get to the main point? regardess if it takes 3, 5, 9 or 15 hits to kill a mob, unless you are using a weapon with a 50% critical chance or base 5d10, it is ever only a difference of a maximum of maybe one, possibly two swings depending on the mob and their HP.

Epics obviously excluded as I was specifically talking trash mobs not red named, immune to everything epic minions. Epic runs are a completely different animal then any other quest/raid.

For those who live, eat and breathe nothing but their DPS stats this difference is probably noticible with trash mobs, but for most of us, it is not. Nor do we honestly care, 9 hits, 10, or 11, when it dies we go onto the next trash mob. That is why after Lv 16 not every char, every class, every build is using nothing but GS kopeshes.

And finally yes I realise that blinded mobs run randomly, but then I prefer cornering one blinded mob while the others run in circles waiting their turn then knowing where all the mobs are because they are stacked 3 deep around me bending me over gangbanging my ass.

But thats just my personal preference in the matter. By all means if you have a dedicated healer who likes doing nothing but feeding you HP non-stop while you do your "300" style I'll-take-you-all-on-at-once, are into being on the recieving end of some masochistic toon pain,  or just simply like occasionally being  made by several mobs their nancy-boy toon bitch, thats of course completely up to you. 

Different playing styles for different players I suppose.


Kit