Argos suffering. Between this recent lull, Tr's, attrition and rise of the fucking noobs getting strong concentrated groups are few and far between. Retards abound. Player skill has gone way down. The channels have gotten relaxed and are mildly pathetic. I saw a 'monastery - healer caster pls' the other day in channel and it nearly made me choke in disgust.

Fortunately I have a good 13 or so peeps outside of guild who I can count on to do the same shit I wanna do and at the pace I wanna do them at. However when they arnt on or we are all split up Im more inclined to just log off rather than teach people who should know by now how to do shit.

Is my experience on argo similar to anyone elses on other servers? I know im not alone...theres a lot of the old timers who cant beleive how shit the playerbase as gotten.

N

On Khyber, if you're not rolling with a guild or with friends, you've got maybe a 50/50 chance at completion, at best.

The playerbase has indeed turned to shit.

We were having some of the same problems on Thelanis, but some steps were made to head it off. Legion actually put together a Guild Conglomeration with a bunch of freelancers. Now end game raid/epics are getting filled in minutes and they are constantly popping up. I would strongly suggest the top guilds on your servers give it a try. Yes, it's basically just another channel, but seems to be working quite well for us. You can check out the comments on the Thelanis forums.

Khyber is fighting lag more than anything lately.

You know, Nick- I'm interested in a more thorough explanation, especially after seeing a similar stance in one of Jen's posts on the DDO forums.

Who exactly are we talking about here when vets say that the server and even the channels are full of noobs?  What defines "Elite" from average and substandard?

Admittedly, I do take some of these types of comments personally- without further clarification, I'm left with the impression that most vets thing "people who joined at Mod9" are noobs and will never be as good.  The vast majority seem to be as evidenced by my experience pugging, but that's my perspective- I'd like to hear yours.

It begs the question- if so many in channel are sub-standard, why were they accepted in the first place?

On the other hand, this is what I've noticed- many vets have become complacent players who expect completions, so they slack.  I've seen it in all-channel raids where vets don't remove curses, don't UMD res scrolls on Bards and Rogues in a pinch, run out of casting mats, and still build melee characters who have 350HP at cap.  I should not have to tell an '06 player to remove their fucking curse, and I should not have to hear that they didn't know they could use Guild pots when raging.

So... what defines Elite for you?  Is it "doesn't know the map in WW by heart" or is it "isn't able to 2 man Shroud"?  Is it "can't complete a Shroud in less than 25 minutes" or is it "doesn't have an Elite ToD completion"?

Please understand, I love you dearly- not trying to sound antagonistic, just trying to get a better understanding of where you are coming from.

stainer wrote on Jan 30^th, 2011 at 2:24pm:


Do it do it do it

you won't

Nick plays at a level few achieve in this game. It takes planning and dedication to get to the edge of the endgame right now. I think you may need to realize Nick, that you are already surrounded by the best the server has to offer at any given moment. Its just the way it is mate, and you either come to terms with the skills your crew has at the moment, or take another vacation to whatever server you feel has the most potential right now.

Peace

Pallai wrote on Jan 30^th, 2011 at 2:35pm:



his greenis is getting old and shriveled

oh snap !

Pallai wrote on Jan 30^th, 2011 at 2:22pm:



It really doesnt have anything to do w/ your join date Pallai.  The simple fact is that I would call 10% of the channel "elite",  40% after that above average, w/ the rest either average or substandard.  The biggest problem as far as I can tell is that the majority of the "elite" players have left the game, got permabanned (Alex!), or got so burnt out that they barely play anymore.  I can name people all day long, Mhykke, Blah, Bandy,  Brenna, Nat, Most of Ransacked, Most of Tinted Faces, Most of Stormbringers etc etc etc.  Pretty much, and I can sympathize to the sentiments, the quality of players now will never match the standards some of us long time players have from back in the day.  Its more of a nostalgia thing than anything else.

We miss the days of being able to take the first 6-12 people that joined the group, regardless of class and rock the fuck out of anything in the game.

Hey missy yeah not directed at you - I like the way you act if you dont know something you ask and NEVER have to be told again. My issue is with the people who dont ask yet spout complete nonsence. Like ur question yesterday about the khopeshes was one of the first positive things that has happened (in my eyes) for a while in that channel. It was question - answer - new found knowledge as opposed to BS - EGO - nothing gained.

Pallai wrote on Jan 30^th, 2011 at 2:22pm:


This is EXACTLY what im talking about. I dont care if you just joined or have played forever - when I say noob i dont mean new I mean stupid/dumb/ignorant/lazy/complacent and none of those have to do with join date. Maybe im not using the word correctly but when i see people dying in tod because of curses - well they are fucking noobs in my book.

Whats been bothering me mainly of late is attitude. Everyone wandering around with their ESOS thinking theyre a badass but then have to have the ideal makeup to do a simple shroud. Do you know what really ticks me off is seeing 3-4 people in am channel bitching about a shroud they are in and how its gonna be bad. My feeling is 3-4 people in am channel should be able to do the damn thing by themselves if need be on any class and at any level. This is what im talking about when I am comparing the old guard to the noobs. For example I could take myself and any two of jen, souless, ganak, midnight, dark, lando, cully, babs, smitus, milamber, ishy, bo alex (when not banned), mhyke blah, bandy,  etc etc and walk through that quest and it wouldnt matter if the other 9 people were playing on grease slides on the part one steps. I cannot say that of alot of the people in that channel now. And not only that but some of them have basic game mechanic knowledge wrong and give advice with absolute authority. I caught someone saying that cha/int affects spell pen the other day.

Edited out.

Pallai wrote on Jan 30^th, 2011 at 2:22pm:


Eh its nothing so simple. When I think of elite players I think of my buddies who can jump in any quest with any party makeup and just make that shit happen and make it look simple. Im not interested in what gear they have or what theyve done but the way they play. Elite too me is fast. Really fucking fast. I can tell if someone is a great player in the first minute of a quest. Because they can keep up. Not how fast there mouth yaps but how fast there fingers move.  If i see a melee pounding on the same mob im pounding on hes money because hes where he needs to be. If they can keep up they are gold in my books If I see a caster out in front of me prepping the stuff that needs to be prepped - hes gold in my books because thats where I want my casters. Out in front zerging that shit playing aggresively.  Balance that pace with a great knowledge of the mechanics of the game that comes through in build decisions and equipment and that too me is elite.

Kiranselie wrote on Jan 30^th, 2011 at 2:47pm:


If you still can't do this then it sounds as if you have a personal problem. I still do this regularly, granted there are a few quests where I look for an ideal party make up ie ATDQ1, but the majority of the quests I accept the first 6/12. Perhaps you should examine what you're doing wrong rather than saying it's because all the vets left that you're unable to pull off completions with less than ideal party makeups.

Alekx wrote on Jan 30^th, 2011 at 2:34pm:


I thought about popping to thelanis khyber or ghallanda but ya knw what ive toured before and argo for better or worse is home. I love playing with the UB guys, id miss souless' bitching or bo's hillbilly expressions or ur rages. So instead of just leaving im trying to figure out how to fix the problem.

N

Kiranselie wrote on Jan 30^th, 2011 at 2:47pm:


Pretty much my thoughts.