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Huginn Korthos Resident Offline Oachkatzlschwoaf Posts: 31 Joined: Apr 23^rd, 2012	Re: A Bard that doesn't suck Reply #25 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 12:22pm	Print Post
	Quote: I would recommend to drop one Bard level for a 3rd Rogue level which gives you 1d6 more Sneak Attack. You will lose 6th Level Bard spells but that shouldn't really matter and 1 Spell slot in 1st and 5th level spells, BAB is the same, you gain 1 Fort save, lose 1 ref save (but gain 1 vs traps), HP are a wash, 2 more skillpoints whatever that is worth to you and access to Wrack Construct I Last time I played a bard (might be a year back or more) not having Otto's Irresistible Dance surely hurt in some quests.


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Eyeran Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 53 Joined: Jul 28^th, 2012	Re: A Bard that doesn't suck Reply #26 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 1:04pm	Print Post
	Huginn wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 12:22pm: Last time I played a bard (might be a year back or more) not having Otto's Irresistible Dance surely hurt in some quests. You won't need it most the time, but when you do need it it's definitely handy to have. Depends what content you're running too as you won't have the spell pen to dance anything with resistance (drow for example). There are a lot more people running with stunning blow now with Dun Robar rings and such, so I'd say that irresistible dance it probably not as important as it once was for single target CC, but is definitely still handy from time to time.


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Madcow430 Shroud Slacker Offline I have Mad Cow Disease Posts: 1207 Location: Arizona Joined: Jul 4^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: A Bard that doesn't suck Reply #27 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 1:59pm	Print Post
	Consider 15 bard. I'd take another fighter level. This is why: You still gain: 1. Inspire Heroics/Inspire Excellence. 2. An additional feat (Toughness/Hamstring) You lose: 1. Like what 30sp? 2. Otto's Irresistible Dance Hamstring is one of those things that people don't notice but sure as hell appreciate when an EE mob or raid boss isn't ripping the face off of the tank/party as often. The 3 rogue for sneak attack is cool, but my opinion is that you gain more utility taking a level in a class that will grant another feat. The split allows to max utility, not dps. Pure melee classes will out dps you. It is what it is. But you have enough personal dps to be remain competitive. And far more survivability. This really only applies though if you spend time past heroic cap getting some epic destiny xp. If you plan on tr'ing immediately it doesn't matter one iota. It all becomes flavor then.


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Slug Shroud Slacker Offline Posts: 1061 Joined: Feb 19^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: A Bard that doesn't suck Reply #28 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 2:46pm	Print Post
	Madcow430 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 1:59pm: Consider 15 bard. I'd take another fighter level. This is why: You still gain: 1. Inspire Heroics/Inspire Excellence. 2. An additional feat (Toughness/Hamstring) His build already has two fighter levels, he doesn't get another bonus feat for taking fighter to level 3. Third level of fighter grants.......?


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Turkantho Ex Member	Re: A Bard that doesn't suck Reply #29 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 5:16pm	Print Post
	Fighter grants a feat at level 1,2,4,6,8 etc no feat at level 3 and you can't take Toughness as a fighter bonus feat and enhancement wise it also gives nothing. And thanks Eyeran for mentioning that Otto's iss ueless without Spell Pen which this build does not have unless you have a buttload of wiz/fvs pastlives.
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Madcow430 Shroud Slacker Offline I have Mad Cow Disease Posts: 1207 Location: Arizona Joined: Jul 4^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: A Bard that doesn't suck Reply #30 - Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 6:59pm	Print Post
	Slug wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2012 at 2:46pm: His build already has two fighter levels, he doesn't get another bonus feat for taking fighter to level 3.� Third level of fighter grants.......? Ah yes. whoops! I mistook fighter 3 for 4. Either way, losing Otto's isn't critical. Especially if he's doing a past life run and not running much capped content.


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NOTdarth Puppy Farmer Offline Save the Planet, Kill Yourself Posts: 1495 Joined: Oct 15^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: A Bard that doesn't suck Reply #31 - Nov 23^rd, 2012 at 5:49am	Print Post
	It's a past life build which won't see the light of epics. Even though I'm loaded on wiz and fvs past lives i purpously neglected all the bard spell based CC-ing because I'll be mostly duoing with my TR buddy that's a wiz. However, fascinate should work flawlessly and stop anything in it's tracks. SS is for more survivability and self healing since I'll be the one one that is gonna have aggro mostly. Melee DPS won't be near top notch but as long as I kill shit before it kills me I'll be happy with it. /3 Rogue sounds interesting, extra sneak attack die and Wrack Construct are sexy and bard spells pretty much suck anyway, interesting option in any case.


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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4339 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: A Bard that doesn't suck Reply #32 - Nov 23^rd, 2012 at 2:39pm	Print Post
	NOTdarth wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2012 at 5:49am: I'll be the one one that is gonna have aggro mostly. /3 Rogue sounds interesting, extra sneak attack die spamming glitter dust?

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NOTdarth Puppy Farmer Offline Save the Planet, Kill Yourself Posts: 1495 Joined: Oct 15^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: A Bard that doesn't suck Reply #33 - Dec 10^th, 2012 at 7:52am	Print Post
	It didn't suck. Stupidly hard to kill, fun as shit to play. Ended up taking 2 more fighter lvls after 16 since lvl 5 bard spells are craptastic. Fascinate is stupidly good. Think I didn't die more than 10 times total during this life.


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a Kitteh DQ Assaulter Offline lolwut? Posts: 458 Location: on the road again... Joined: May 9^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: A Bard that doesn't suck Reply #34 - Dec 13^th, 2012 at 10:00am	Print Post
	your welcome.

	Grace wrote on Feb 16^th, 2012 at 5:14pm: When a quest thinks you are so bad you need to reroll, that's srsbznz.
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Carpone Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1695 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: A Bard that doesn't suck Reply #35 - Dec 13^th, 2012 at 10:06am	Print Post
	If you want a Bard that doesn't suck, then wait for the enhancement revamp.


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a Kitteh DQ Assaulter Offline lolwut? Posts: 458 Location: on the road again... Joined: May 9^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: A Bard that doesn't suck Reply #36 - Dec 13^th, 2012 at 10:49am	Print Post
	he already leveled a bard and TRed. too late
	« Last Edit: Dec 13^th, 2012 at 10:49am by a Kitteh »
	Grace wrote on Feb 16^th, 2012 at 5:14pm: When a quest thinks you are so bad you need to reroll, that's srsbznz.
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Peanutch Korthos Resident Offline Posts: 8 Joined: May 6^th, 2013	Re: A Bard that doesn't suck Reply #37 - May 28^th, 2013 at 7:35pm	Print Post
	I'm currently running a dwarf bard15/rogue3/fighter2 build. At level 12 , took buffs as bard spells so i can solo fairly well.


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