higgildypiggildy wrote on Jun 16^th, 2013 at 4:18am:


Yeah I am working on it. Every day getting closer...

Asheras wrote on Jun 17^th, 2013 at 10:09am:


That was End-Game before they fucked it up by raising to LVL 25 without providing for enough stuff to do when we reach the new End Game.

When the cap was raised from 16 to 20 we had Reaver ( though it had become mostly a joke, the items were still nice to have ), Hound, Vod, Shroud, and ToD. ( I don't count Wabbot, flagging requirement is just too retarded. ). All the rest came ( relatively fast ) after.

Now I agree with your analysis of End Game playing just before they fucked it up.
It was the time where in guild we were doing E-Velah, E-Kween, Shroud; E-Vealh, ToD, Shroud or VHS ( Vod Hound Shroud ) friday Raidathons ( with Reaver's Fate as a desert if we had time to cool down ). Ma and Lob were usually done both at the same time, and E-Chrono was used to finish.

Right now we are piling the FoTs... ( well FoT, Velah, FoT actually, or FoT, CitW, FoT if we are really eager to get annoyed )

Flav wrote on Jun 17^th, 2013 at 10:52am:


The mana drain just makes me ragey because unless I'm mistaken there's not a good way to block it (if I'm mistaken PLEASE let me know ). I've been playing melee hybrid characters lately and those take a huge kick in the teeth from that mechanic.

Wipe wrote on Jun 17^th, 2013 at 11:37am:


I found myself in several Heroic PuGs last life (on the way to 2Monk/18FVS).

Ran into several Fleshy Arties that always let their health get dangerously low and just let it sit there.   While attempting to keep them healed *WHILE* casting/CCing I always noticed the Construct Essence effect.  I always asked "Did you take the Constuct Essence Feat?"  (the answers always yes)

I understand building a toon with self-sufficient healing but for chrissakes learn to top your self off before/during/after fights or fuck off.

I would have zero issues healing a fleshy arty without the CEss feat.  (Especially if I saw them chugging CSW pots and the like)

In fact.....Anyone that makes an effort to contribute and be self-sufficient is at the top of my list to get SP and consumables used on them no matter what type of toon I am playing.

Sorry mate, I meant Jeweled cloak for making hjealing curse a non issue when you are on hjealer.
Hjealing ~10 pugs with "drink a curse pot reaction time ">10seconds, popping behind the pillar, hjealing yourself, watching spiders and decursing might be too much. Jewel cloak makes it easier.
It wouldn't stop SP drain.
But it's a good idea anyway on anyone close to Lloth, if you can fit it into your gear somehow for that raid.
On monkcher/fighter, you have unbridled ready, buffed to pop  that dual boosted Fury ..but nope... curse, curse , curse, curse...
On hjealer:  Toon with Cloak and decent amp : toss them a cheap renewal, or cocoon if needed.
Something like FUCKING BLADEFORGED PALADIN with shit for amp and twitch skills of FranOhmsford : Renewal ? Red bar not moving .Cocoon ? STILL low. Quickened remove curse+ hjeal ? Would you like also quickened maximized mass serious you ungrateful piece of shit ?
But you gotta hjeal them, cause you need dps or have to raise them later anyway.

 

Darkrok wrote on Jun 17^th, 2013 at 2:49pm:


healers just need to hide behind the pillars, and you still get Zapped once in while.

Whoever thought SP drain was an acceptable game mechanic needs to die of AIDS while on fire.

pnellesen wrote on Jun 17^th, 2013 at 4:35pm:


I run my healer in CiTW.  Sure there's a bad run every now and then and you drink a few pots, but it's not like you can't get compensated for it if you want on those runs.  I don't ask for pots.  It's not that big a deal.

Asheras wrote on Jun 17^th, 2013 at 5:04pm:


Honestly if it's cringeworthy you'll probably get more pots tossed your way than you used. I know if something is really really ugly I always toss a few toward the healer.

If nothing else the post is good damage control (as opposed to everything else so far that's amounted to oil on the fire). Especially the 'we are a few months away from starting development' comment. Makes it sound much less decided than it did in his opening post.

Darkrok wrote on Jun 17^th, 2013 at 6:07pm:


Glin's post is almost completely worthless.  He answered none of the many valid questions that were raised in the thread.  There is no 'discussion' going on whatsoever.

"They recognize that several players are already very invested in Epic Destinies, this was absolutely part of the early design discussions."

Several players?!? Really?  I know this is nit-picking, but with a subject that has this much attention, you'd think he'd chose his wording a bit more carefully.  More like there's 'several' that *aren't* affected.

And it *was* part of the early discussions (past tense) and they still decided to propose what they did.  Astonishing. 

"We know we're completely breaking our word and fucking over our paying customers, but we *did* discuss it internally first."  Well I'm glad that's behind us :-P

Hey grey mouser, I am sure you are privy to things like I could not fathom.

Is this Epic TR going to be as bad as they think? I don't really see a point in upgrading to MoTU until I am done TR'ing if it is.

Is Glin serious about looking at all the different perspectives and finding a balance? An acceptable balance.

Piloto's latest post:

https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/418543-Epic-Level-amp-Iconic-TR/page63...

Hi.
Just wanted to touch base with you all again on this. Your feedback during this early stage of development for this system has definitely been helpful. And I’ll reiterate that because we are early in the process, we haven’t locked anything down. Now on to some additional info.

We have multiple goals with a system like this, such as:
• Give players the new option of TR-ing at level cap.
• Give players more things to achieve with a high level TR type character (like epic destiny past life feats and build points).
• Allow Iconic Hero characters to use the reincarnation system.
• Optimize the system to help people have a good play experience. (This is a tough one, because there are different opinions on what a “good play experience” is, but this could mean giving incentives to concentrate on different Epic Destinies than were played in the previous life, for example.)
• And as a less design-oriented but equally important goal: If changes are needed that affect players’ current investment, compensate them for the changes.

If we can arrive at a place in a given system where we can accomplish all or many of the goals in a way that is good for the game, short term and long term, then that’s a great solution. Many systems, however, are of sufficient complexity to make this a very interesting balancing act. But even with that complexity, it’s still possible to have a good solution. It just takes some time and iteration to get there. This was one of the reasons to start this thread and see what people thought about the new system and the first design proposal.

So, here’s some more info on a couple of options we are currently considering.

Option 1: XP “Bank” System
When Epic TR-ing, a character selects one ED to bond and then transfers all other ED XP into an XP Bank that can be used at any time to level through heroic levels. Example: A character has five maxed ED’s at level 28. They Epic TR, bond one ED, and then get roughly enough XP to take them back to level 20 in their new life and still have, let’s say, 1,000,000 XP left over to use in their following heroic life (to use at whatever level they want). This option could also come with a onetime opportunity to bond multiple ED’s in one TR (to help those invested in the current system to transfer to the new).

Option 2: Keep Epic Destiny XP System
When Epic TR-ing, a character selects one maxed out ED that he/she will acquire the Past Life feat for. This Epic Destiny is then flagged. (Starting out, you cannot get more than one copy of each ED’s past life feat.) The character then starts at level 1, but all ED XP is preserved at whatever levels it was at.

We are considering more than just these two options, but we thought you might like to know a bit about what we are currently thinking. Thanks again.