While the rollout of the expansion was pretty awesome in the relative buglessness (yes there are bugs but duh...it's software and lots of it), I agree that the forums have gone completely to shit.

Granted, I'm more in the camp of writing CMSes rather than implementing ones that others have written, but still, the performance from the web monkeys is really not good. I know that they apparently have to work within the Warner Brothers corporate "game site template" or whatever you want to call it, but the actual user experience these days is just awful.

Turbine (and Warner Brothers) can do better. What you have now on the web front just isn't working.




OK, yeah, it's never been GREAT (witness the "API" and myddo) but man...how can it be possible to have such a poorly implemented web and forum setup go live? Ouch.

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Which part - the modification of HA or the lambasting part?

I think that kind of change to H-Amp would be awesome.  Trying to squeeze a 10,20, and 30 on a toon is a PITA.

karatekid wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 9:27am:


bah...

pro heal amp consolidation, double the amp on items we currently have and let the new ones drop in 10% ML0/20%@3 /30% @6 etc steps to eventually 100% ML30
should ofc still stack with enhancements, ship and past lifes
but special special cases such as fleshmaker and jidz fire stance don't need to stack in a system like this

majmalphunktion wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 9:37pm:

My user pain level is higher than it has ever been.  Not because of bugs, but because of intentional changes.

I put a shit ton of time and effort into building my characters over the last 7.5 years.  I built them the way I wanted them to be.  Now they all have to change, and not because they were OP (they weren't), but because Turbine decided that in the process of giving us a bunch of new character building options, they needed to take most of the old ones away.  It's not justified.  It wasn't mandatory to make an enhancement UI that mimics WOW's.  Killing builds that didn't deserve it means Turbine has no respect for the time players spend with their product.

But the worst of the pain is coming from P_o_S's retroactive item min level nerfs.  Original Risia weapons shouldn't have been nerfed.  Low level BTA twink gear shouldn't have been nerfed.  Old weapons with Pure Good and [Elemental] Burst shouldn't have been retroactively nerfed (and frankly shouldn't have been nerfed in the loot tables at all).  Without means in place of preventing those nerfs, the shitty new system of items auto-calculating their own min level should never have been deployed.

I have had long term plans of chasing completionist for years, and had spent untold hours and resources acquiring gear to make the past life grinding more bearable.  I finally began the grind at the beginning of this summer, and got a few lives under my belt.  Now most of the twink gear I was using is totally useless.  It makes me not want to bother anymore.  Not because I couldn't do it without that gear, but because I no longer have the will to do it.  If Turbine is willing to destroy untold hours and resources I have spent in the past (including store-bought resources) just because P_o_S does some back of the envelope calculations and assures everyone I'm not in the majority, then they will do it again.  There is no point in putting in effort to attain anything, because somewhere down the line they will fuck it up.

I've taken breaks from the game before, but this is the first time I've seriously felt like leaving for good.  Tell P_o_S "Fuck you" for me when you see him.

If Turbine wants to turn this game around in my eyes, they need to go find Breca, re-hire him/her, and give him/her P_o_S's job.  Breca was a dev who cared how his/her work actually affected players, and not only when affected players are in the "majority".

P.S. - As for actual lingering bugs that cause pain, for me Combat Archery tops that list and has since MOTU came out.  So I don't have a lot of pats on the back for QA either.

Lurkette wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 8:25am:


Unless the stress was so much that he pulled his hair out along with the follicles.  I could imagine it happening.

Meursault wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 2:47pm:

Perfect analogy.  I feel exactly the same.

Ditto what Meursault and Stanley Nicholas said.  I have a few hours a week to play and 14 toons.  Since the update, my routine goes: log onto my main (currently 8/6/6 Fighter/Rgr/Mnk build, life 8) get my free daily dice roll, open the Enhancements UI, click a few icons, hit 'Cancel', sigh, chat to the only guildie who's still logging on, quit game, go to bed.

There might be a whole world of new possibilities for builds, but I couldn't give a shit: the whole system just makes me tired.  The increased level cap with nothing to do when you get there (and not much to do before you get there) also makes me tired.  In fact, the whole arbitrary and artificial segue from Heroic into Epic play makes me tired.

I've actually played exactly one character (pure monk, halfling, first life) since the update went live; on paper he needs a rebuild, but I've run a couple of the Storm Horns quests* on EH and roamed the new explorer areas and it doesn't seem to matter that his feats are all wrong and I've got enhancement points left to spend...  As such, the prospect of rebuilding him makes me tired.  I should get him at least one past life really, but none of my twink gear is viable now and just thinking about replacing it for a smooth TR makes me tired.  I was among the first few people to cap Cannith Crafting, and the fact that it remains so terribly fucked-up makes me tired.  (I might even still be angry about it, but I've been angry about so much of the game for so long now that being angry just makes me tired.)

The prospect of putting in the effort required to fix all 14 toons makes me tired.  Random lootgen being better (maybe) than 99% of the named items in the game makes me tired.  The fact that Combat Archery still doesn't work makes me tired.  Handwraps still being horribly broken - and trying to convince people via the enhancement system to use shitty weapons instead, rather than fix them - makes me tired.  The lack of synergy between new enhancements and class abilities (monks again) or even relatively new feats ("Yay!  You can now use Dex or Con to damage, but not to qualify for damage-increasing feats like Overwhelming Critical!") or Epic Destinies makes me tired.  The only way in which this is working in Turbine's favour is that I'm currently too apathetic to log onto the account management page to cancel my subscription.

I'll say this for Feather of Sun: if it wasn't for the fact that mentioning the sorry sack of shit's name makes me look around for a neck to snap, my brainwaves would have flat-lined by now.

* 110,000 hit points on a mid-quest mini-boss on EH as a substitute for decent AI makes me tired, too.  I haven't run it on EE yet (the idea of going to the effort makes me tired) but my mental picture is of Dr. Evil saying "I demand... ONE BILLION hit points!"

Persiflage wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 6:49am:


I'm Tired

sadface wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 11:26am:



Ouch the butthurt. But I agree more or less.
The butthurt from the Enhancement Crash is great, and lots of people just stop playing because of the time needed to get it right on each and every character.
( for me on average, after 9 Characters out of 19 it's between half an hour and an hour each time, so I've already wasted between 4 and 9 hours of play time doing that shit. )

The best way would have been to make a tree interface for the (now ) old enhancement, that way we wouldn't have needed to redo them all on every characters.

Now I know I'm preaching to the choir, but still it's nice to be able to vent some frustration from time to time.

We all know that the logins do not represent the activity.... other wise you need to explain me G-Land graph.  ( beyond the fact that it's the default selected server since the update of the launcher )

People login, chat a bit, alt jump a bit to see the butthurt that comes with erdoing the enhancements, and log out and go play CiV V.

GooFY wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 3:56pm:



This- and been that way for quite a while now....although there are many times that I just sigh and do not even make the second attempt. 

GooFY wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 3:56pm:


this started before the expansion release for me. i don't remember if i had to try multiple times to log in the one time i logged in after the expansion.

Elegorne wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 4:39pm:
 
so much this. in the weeks leading up to the release of shadowfail i just quit trying to login if the first didnt take i went and did other stuff.
to bad turbine is to happy with its not as buggy as motu philosophy to fix longstanding user punishing problems.