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karatekid Self-Proclaimed Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 4830 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2012	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #50 - Aug 30^th, 2013 at 12:49pm	Print Post
	Meursault wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 12:34pm: You guys use a Code Versioning System that supports Branch and Merge operations, right? Objection!� Assumes facts not in evidence! Note: yah, I know I've used that one before - it's just so apropos!
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Meursault Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Freedom of Speech Posts: 2410 Location: Hartford, CT; USA Joined: Aug 22^nd, 2013 Gender:	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #51 - Aug 30^th, 2013 at 12:54pm	Print Post
	karatekid wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 12:49pm: Objection!� Assumes facts not in evidence! Note: yah, I know I've used that one before - it's just so apropos! LOL! You may have used it before, but it's the first time I've seen it! Now I have to clean coffee off my monitor, you Bastard

	Turdbin, keep changing the DDO rules, because McDonalds sold over 200 billion hamburgers by changing the recipe for their Special Sauce every couple of months to keep interest up.
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karatekid Self-Proclaimed Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 4830 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2012	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #52 - Aug 30^th, 2013 at 1:02pm	Print Post
	Meursault wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 12:54pm: LOL! You may have used it before, but it's the first time I've seen it! Now I have to clean coffee off my monitor, you Bastard Get google glass - coffee-proofed. I think the first time I used that was on the official forums... may have netted me 1 pt.


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rest One Man Wolfpack Offline Posts: 7223 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #53 - Aug 30^th, 2013 at 2:10pm	Print Post
	Arkat wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 8:49am: I don't know about you but after 20 Epic runs, I'd like to choose my loot from the Epic versions, not the Heroic versions. I thought this would be self-evident. Wait...are you from Sarlona?? Torc.


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rest One Man Wolfpack Offline Posts: 7223 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #54 - Aug 30^th, 2013 at 2:12pm	Print Post
	Arkat wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 8:49am: I don't know about you but after 20 Epic runs, I'd like to choose my loot from the Epic versions, not the Heroic versions. I thought this would be self-evident. Wait...are you from Sarlona?? Delving boots.


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Feklar Korthos Resident Offline Not a hater, ... unless you're human. Posts: 85 Joined: Jan 23^rd, 2013	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #55 - Aug 30^th, 2013 at 7:49pm	Print Post
	Hey Maj, btw, have you read the sticky today? Do you not agree that there is some kind of MAXIMUM malfunction going on at Turbine? To release information to the community reps which is so obviously wrong... what's there to say? You (Turb) is just adding more fuel to the fire with this fucking incompetence. I mean, has everyone just stopped giving a shit anymore??? Terrible. Fminus.


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pnellesen Titan Demolisher Offline We can't all just get along. Posts: 311 Joined: Dec 6^th, 2011	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #56 - Aug 30^th, 2013 at 8:45pm	Print Post
	Yeeeaaahhh... raiding was dead enough the way it was, now this little gem is probably going to shut it down entirely until it's fixed. I'm not exactly sure how many of my 14 ADQ completions (all of them showing as "Heroic") were Epic, but I know for a fact the number is greater than 0. And they were all done after U14 (in contradiction to the sticky referenced above - "Epic runs that occurred between MOTU and Shadowfell should properly show in the Epic side of the count. This will not be corrected.").


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karatekid Self-Proclaimed Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 4830 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2012	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #57 - Aug 31^st, 2013 at 12:43am	Print Post
	Feklar wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 7:49pm: Hey Maj, btw, have you read the sticky today? Do you not agree that there is some kind of MAXIMUM malfunction going on at Turbine? To release information to the community reps which is so obviously wrong... what's there to say? You (Turb) is just adding more fuel to the fire with this fucking incompetence. I mean, has everyone just stopped giving a shit anymore??? Terrible. Fminus. I hadda login to official because you got my curiosity up on what they fucked up THIS time.� Let me just go on record by saying BWAHAHAHAH!� That is all.
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Flav Vault Frog Offline One Frog to Rule them All! Posts: 9961 Location: Land of the Frogs Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #58 - Aug 31^st, 2013 at 3:11am	Print Post
	pnellesen wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 8:45pm: Yeeeaaahhh... raiding was dead enough the way it was, now this little gem is probably going to shut it down entirely until it's fixed. I'm not exactly sure how many of my 14 ADQ completions (all of them showing as "Heroic") were Epic, but I know for a fact the number is greater than 0. And they were all done after U14 (in contradiction to the sticky referenced above - "Epic runs that occurred between MOTU and Shadowfell should properly show in the Epic side of the count. This will not be corrected."). VON 6, Kween and Chrono counters are so fubared it's not even laughable. I can understand the half assed explanation before MOTU/After MOTU. But I know with a certainty that I have done more than one single instance of VON and Chrono with my main rogue ( which is my second fucking main character after Flav ) since MoTUY. So even the half assed explanation is just a huge FAIL. With what people are saying that Epic Completions registers as Heroic in the counters I'm starting to wonder if they haven't inverted the counters... for VON, Kween and Chrono ( at least )
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Turkantho Ex Member	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #59 - Aug 31^st, 2013 at 9:19am	Print Post
	a good thing to do as apology to the community would be to set everyone so their next run of that raid is a 20th completion, ofc only for raids where that toon has at least one completion that will never happen because turdbine...


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knockcocker Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 155 Joined: Jun 2^nd, 2013 Gender:	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #60 - Aug 31^st, 2013 at 9:33am	Print Post
	Meursault wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 12:34pm: Why was that code in the Maintenance stream to begin with? Clearly that belongs in the Development stream. You guys use a Code Versioning System that supports Branch and Merge operations, right? Or do you work only in a single trunk and Rollback is all you've left yourselves? Getting chocolate in your peanut butter is funny and tasty, getting development code in your maintenance code means you can neither develop nor maintain well. This is why we can't have nice things. Maj, I feel your pain. I'm a software developer and I've been in shops where QA is an afterthought, and is resented by developers. I suspect you take crap at both ends - from us here and from the people at Turbine who want the warm fuzzy feeling of doing a good job without the actual work of doing a good job (not that they all fall in that class). I don't know if it will help you, but while I was going through the Certified Quality Engineer certification process I came across a quote that I've successfully used to justify bringing QA in early on my projects, maybe it will help you get a say earlier in the process there. The quote is by Harold Dodge but Deming made it famous, "You cannot inspect quality into a product. The quality is there or it isn't by the time it's inspected." Good luck, and thanks for not just giving up. Nice post mate! All the evidence suggests that they don't have very good control over dev and release streams. You'd need to be a millipede to 'finger count' how many times they've polluted the release tree with dev code and been unable to back it out. Given the number of features that are DOA, I question whether they have any integration process at all.


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Bill Z Bubb Boobies Controller Offline I only know three chords! Posts: 1238 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2012	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #61 - Aug 31^st, 2013 at 10:38am	Print Post
	I have nothing to back my hunch but I've got a feeling that their versioning control is a homemade product. It just seems like that's what a company with such a bailing wire code base would use.

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Carpone Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1695 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2011 Gender:	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #62 - Aug 31^st, 2013 at 10:41am	Print Post
	So what happened to people who got fucked out of 20th lists which had all randomly generated loot?


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Flav Vault Frog Offline One Frog to Rule them All! Posts: 9961 Location: Land of the Frogs Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #63 - Aug 31^st, 2013 at 11:25am	Print Post
	They were fucked and lost that 20th reward list to random trash. And now they are fucked a second time because the counters from the fix are fucked up. Next time don't let FoS and his friends play with loot. You won't loose that many players over an update.

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Barkabout Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1032 Joined: Aug 15^th, 2013	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #64 - Aug 31^st, 2013 at 4:33pm	Print Post
	Carpone wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 10:41am: So what happened to people who got fucked out of 20th lists which had all randomly generated loot?


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aDifferentHandle Abbot Raider Offline omg, that's the funky shit Posts: 996 Joined: Aug 30^th, 2010	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #65 - Aug 31^st, 2013 at 4:40pm	Print Post
	Barkabout wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 4:33pm: http://i.imgur.com/IzrLQxQ.jpg FFS, at least use crisco.

	That's not opinion, that's science. And science is one cold hearted bitch with a 14 inch strap on.
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karatekid Self-Proclaimed Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 4830 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2012	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #66 - Aug 31^st, 2013 at 5:50pm	Print Post
	Barkabout wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 4:33pm: http://i.imgur.com/IzrLQxQ.jpg I am so glad that photo is being put to good use.


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karatekid Self-Proclaimed Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 4830 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2012	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #67 - Aug 31^st, 2013 at 5:53pm	Print Post
	Bill Z Bubb wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 10:38am: I have nothing to back my hunch but I've got a feeling that their versioning control is a homemade product.� It just seems like that's what a company with such a bailing wire code base would use. While I don't doubt it - version control is not as much technical as it is process. If that's fucked up, a $125,000 product ain't gonna save ya.


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Meursault Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Freedom of Speech Posts: 2410 Location: Hartford, CT; USA Joined: Aug 22^nd, 2013 Gender:	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #68 - Aug 31^st, 2013 at 11:27pm	Print Post
	karatekid wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 5:53pm: If that's fucked up, a $125,000 product ain't gonna save ya. Yes, but the converse is also true - with a little planning and discipline a free product could save you. And it's not like it even costs any more time to do it right, a small setup and training investment and then everything after that is the same. Well cheaper, actually, because it's time spent at the normal rate, not overtime when it breaks. Assuming they get overtime, I guess I shouldn't make that assumption as per the previously mentioned "game tax". Wow, if nothing else this thread has made me realize how much I love my current job

	Turdbin, keep changing the DDO rules, because McDonalds sold over 200 billion hamburgers by changing the recipe for their Special Sauce every couple of months to keep interest up.
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karatekid Self-Proclaimed Puppy Farmer Offline Posts: 4830 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2012	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #69 - Sep 1^st, 2013 at 9:33am	Print Post
	Meursault wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 11:27pm: Yes, but the converse is also true - with a little planning and discipline a free product could save you. And it's not like it even costs any more time to do it right, a small setup and training investment and then everything after that is the same. Well cheaper, actually, because it's time spent at the normal rate, not overtime when it breaks. Assuming they get overtime, I guess I shouldn't make that assumption as per the previously mentioned "game tax". Wow, if nothing else this thread has made me realize how much I love my current job Oh I don't disagree with that. Turbine's issues are human, though. Until they fix leadership at a handful of levels, nothing from Git to Clearcase will help them.


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Flav Vault Frog Offline One Frog to Rule them All! Posts: 9961 Location: Land of the Frogs Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #70 - Sep 1^st, 2013 at 11:45am	Print Post
	karatekid wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 9:33am: Turbine's issues are human, though.� Until they fix development at a handful of levels, nothing from Git to Clearcase will help them. fify. I don't think there's any leadership left, so it's pointless to talk about leadership, unless and until Rowan shows us he has some backbone and kill developers pets projects like Feather's love for randomness ( and shitty named items ) , Vargouille's love for Tough Choices in character creation and development ( and killing a system that worked fine because he was asked to fit it in a tree and thought it was more fun to create a new one that was going to take hours to for the end users to use ).

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spathic Stocky Greenis Offline Taunting the stupid since before you were born. Posts: 1623 Location: Shenandoah valley Joined: Mar 2^nd, 2012 Gender:	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #71 - Sep 1^st, 2013 at 5:33pm	Print Post
	I have to say I love what they've done with trash in lords of dust. To test out enhancements after resetting them on a seldom played toon, I jumped in an epic normal LoD. The trash dogs were CR 36, and the orange named were CR 39. Didn't we used to have that problem with the renders or hezrou in the second part, where they were wholly inappropriate levels?

	Instant asshole. Just add alcohol.
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Flav Vault Frog Offline One Frog to Rule them All! Posts: 9961 Location: Land of the Frogs Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #72 - Sep 1^st, 2013 at 5:39pm	Print Post
	Doggies too, Doggies in Servant Epic normal were CR43 or something like that. Got my ass handed by them once.

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HairyO Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 355 Joined: Jun 30^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: majmal Reply #73 - Sep 1^st, 2013 at 7:06pm	Print Post
	karatekid wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 12:43am: I hadda login to official because you got my curiosity up Sure, dont let us know what they said, meaning we have to log on as well !!


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Crunch ButtSteak Stormreaver Piker Offline Fer teh lolz Posts: 506 Joined: Jul 19^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: majmal - what the fuck? Reply #74 - Sep 1^st, 2013 at 9:35pm	Print Post
	Maj: Thanks for coming out and saying hi.

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