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Re: Question about Rogue splash and trapping
Reply #25 - Nov 21st, 2013 at 5:25pm
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Astraghal wrote on Oct 1st, 2013 at 1:37am:
Not sure what you're on about mate, but do you realise who you are trying to troll? Roll Eyes


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Reply #26 - Nov 22nd, 2013 at 11:47am
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chemist wrote on Nov 21st, 2013 at 5:25pm:
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Re: Question about Rogue splash and trapping
Reply #27 - Nov 27th, 2013 at 11:50am
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Some of the Sschin quests have 80+ OL doors...which is helpful to have to keep Death Undone shorter.  Maze (gh) is 80 on dd.  I have not checked out the new crap yet, but it is likely higher than 80 on dd checks.
  
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Re: Question about Rogue splash and trapping
Reply #28 - Nov 28th, 2013 at 12:15pm
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TheRedStapler wrote on Nov 27th, 2013 at 11:50am:
Some of the Sschin quests have 80+ OL doors...which is helpful to have to keep Death Undone shorter.  Maze (gh) is 80 on dd.  I have not checked out the new crap yet, but it is likely higher than 80 on dd checks.


Ok cool.

I should be able to get OL and DD into the 60's before d20 once I get a bunch of +20 competence, +5 enhanced, +8 ability, +2 insightful and +6 skills items to back them up.
  
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Re: Question about Rogue splash and trapping
Reply #29 - Dec 1st, 2013 at 3:03am
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Munkenmo wrote on Sep 30th, 2013 at 5:54am:
With 0 ranks spent, I call bullshit.

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You actually can do it with GH, stat item, skill item.  It sounds crazy but yeah, it's doable.

I put points into OL these days just to not have to craft or carry an additional item around.  My inventory when tr'ing is full enough...
  
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Re: Question about Rogue splash and trapping
Reply #30 - Dec 1st, 2013 at 3:03am
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TheRedStapler wrote on Nov 27th, 2013 at 11:50am:
Some of the Sschin quests have 80+ OL doors...which is helpful to have to keep Death Undone shorter.  Maze (gh) is 80 on dd.  I have not checked out the new crap yet, but it is likely higher than 80 on dd checks.


Epic yes, heroic no.
  
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Re: Question about Rogue splash and trapping
Reply #31 - Dec 1st, 2013 at 3:05am
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And why in the flying sam hill would you go 16/2/2 anymore?  Especially if you are accustomed to playing a melee?

Change your split.  Pick up divine might.

That's all the advice I'm willing to give you.  You should know this by now...
  
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Re: Question about Rogue splash and trapping
Reply #32 - Dec 1st, 2013 at 5:01am
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Madcow430 wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 3:03am:
You actually can do it with GH, stat item, skill item.  It sounds crazy but yeah, it's doable.

I put points into OL these days just to not have to craft or carry an additional item around.  My inventory when tr'ing is full enough...


No actually you cant.  With 0 ranks open lock is N/A.
  
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Re: Question about Rogue splash and trapping
Reply #33 - Dec 1st, 2013 at 6:49pm
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Munkenmo wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 5:01am:
No actually you cant.  With 0 ranks open lock is N/A.


Really? hahaha!  Okay then.  I suppose you don't treat OL on a splashed rogue or arti like tumble.  You only need one point if you are going heroic to knock a life out.
  
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Re: Question about Rogue splash and trapping
Reply #34 - Dec 1st, 2013 at 7:18pm
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I'll always put at least 1skill point into when possible. Mostly though I ignore locks & traps.
  
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Re: Question about Rogue splash and trapping
Reply #35 - Dec 2nd, 2013 at 6:38am
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Munkenmo wrote on Dec 1st, 2013 at 7:18pm:
I'll always put at least 1skill point into when possible. Mostly though I ignore locks & traps.


You are a fortunate man.  Every single tr I do where I choose to ignore it I end up regretting it later somehow.  Last life with my main was a Cleric run.  Had to skip Von5 for example.  This life doing bard.  I know I'm going to regret it at some point.
  
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Re: Question about Rogue splash and trapping
Reply #36 - Dec 2nd, 2013 at 11:42am
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Madcow430 wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 6:38am:
This life doing bard.  I know I'm going to regret it at some point.


Evasionless bard? Ouch.
  
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Re: Question about Rogue splash and trapping
Reply #37 - Dec 2nd, 2013 at 1:52pm
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NOTdarth wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 11:42am:
Evasionless bard? Ouch.


I love the pain. Grin

Doing a variant of my Elka build.  15bard/1clr/4ftr.  I am going to regret it I'm sure.  I hate depending on someone else for anything when playing.
  
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Re: Question about Rogue splash and trapping
Reply #38 - Dec 3rd, 2013 at 1:40pm
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I like to make my characters versatile so they can solo and contribute to a group. Whatever situation they are in, they will usually have something unique to offer.

Even on a tactics build I don't think the extra +12 or so Cha mod to Str is going to be as important as what you give up. I'd much rather drop a small amount of personal DPS to have Evasion, locks and traps.

Enhancements are really stretched with the splits. I have to either skip any Str or sprint boost from the Warchanter tree in order to get skill boosts from the Rogue trees. That is if I want to have the mana regen song available, which I hardly ever use.

Well at least I have options, I can always respec for Challenge/Event farming and grouping for raids etc.
  
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Re: Question about Rogue splash and trapping
Reply #39 - Dec 3rd, 2013 at 1:42pm
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NOTdarth wrote on Dec 2nd, 2013 at 11:42am:
Evasionless bard? Ouch.


Yep that's huge, even if I have to twist in both +6 to Reflex to make it no-fail.

Pretty much have to for some traps.
  
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Re: Question about Rogue splash and trapping
Reply #40 - Dec 4th, 2013 at 4:02pm
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Astraghal wrote on Dec 3rd, 2013 at 1:42pm:
Yep that's huge, even if I have to twist in both +6 to Reflex to make it no-fail.

Pretty much have to for some traps.


I disagree. 

The problem with a lot of folks these days is lack of twich.  I'd suppose that's a debate for another day. 

Nonetheless, I like str based bard builds.  If you are planning to run a 16/2/2 split in current endgame you are going to be behind in a few ways.  Yes, you can shore up your trapping skills.  But yes, you will lose out in other areas.

Evasion is nice to have.  But I don't see it as needed outside of situations like Blue Dragon in Tor. 

It can make for an interesting debate though, I'll concede that.  Ottos irresistable got some help with recent updates.  SR check situations are down. 

  
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Re: Question about Rogue splash and trapping
Reply #41 - Dec 5th, 2013 at 4:47am
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Astraghal wrote on Dec 3rd, 2013 at 1:42pm:
Yep that's huge, even if I have to twist in both +6 to Reflex to make it no-fail.

Pretty much have to for some traps.

Evasion is not for traps, dumbfuck.
  
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Re: Question about Rogue splash and trapping
Reply #42 - Dec 7th, 2013 at 3:21am
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Madcow430 wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 4:02pm:
I disagree. 

The problem with a lot of folks these days is lack of twich.  I'd suppose that's a debate for another day. 

Nonetheless, I like str based bard builds.  If you are planning to run a 16/2/2 split in current endgame you are going to be behind in a few ways.  Yes, you can shore up your trapping skills.  But yes, you will lose out in other areas.

Evasion is nice to have.  But I don't see it as needed outside of situations like Blue Dragon in Tor. 

It can make for an interesting debate though, I'll concede that.  Ottos irresistable got some help with recent updates.  SR check situations are down. 



I disagree and I play a very twitch oriented style. Having a high Reflex save and/or Evasion is huge. Being able to get traps and locks is just downright convenient. Not worth trading for single digit attack/damage/tactics modifier on an LD melee with Fascinate and Otto's.

NOTdarth wrote on Dec 5th, 2013 at 4:47am:
Evasion is not for traps, dumbfuck.


Some boxes are inside traps.
  
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Re: Question about Rogue splash and trapping
Reply #43 - Dec 7th, 2013 at 8:06am
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Madcow430 wrote on Dec 4th, 2013 at 4:02pm:
I disagree. 

The problem with a lot of folks these days is lack of twich.  I'd suppose that's a debate for another day. 

Nonetheless, I like str based bard builds.  If you are planning to run a 16/2/2 split in current endgame you are going to be behind in a few ways.  Yes, you can shore up your trapping skills.  But yes, you will lose out in other areas.

Evasion is nice to have.  But I don't see it as needed outside of situations like Blue Dragon in Tor. 

It can make for an interesting debate though, I'll concede that.  Ottos irresistable got some help with recent updates.  SR check situations are down. 



16/2/2 is doable if you're doing a pdk using celestias, in which case str is useless, but otherwise, yes, I'd pick up divine might.
  
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Re: Question about Rogue splash and trapping
Reply #44 - Dec 8th, 2013 at 2:39pm
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DiddleDoo wrote on Dec 7th, 2013 at 8:06am:
16/2/2 is doable if you're doing a pdk using celestias, in which case str is useless, but otherwise, yes, I'd pick up divine might.


You have no fucking idea what you are talking about do you?
  
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Reply #45 - Dec 8th, 2013 at 4:44pm
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Astraghal wrote on Dec 8th, 2013 at 2:39pm:
You have no fucking idea what you are talking about do you?


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Reply #46 - Dec 8th, 2013 at 5:30pm
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Sham wrote on Dec 8th, 2013 at 4:44pm:
Pot meet kettle.


If you actaully had a clue what you were talking about either, you would be able to extrapolate on that. But of course like Diddledoo, you have no fucking idea how to judge what is good or bad in DDO.

Now do I have to start following you around the forums writing single sentence troll replies to all your posts, like you are doing with me? Is that what passes for trolling these days at the Vault?

Guys like you and the other diddlefucks giggling like schoolgirls as you circle jerk about having 'trolled' Astra on the 'public area', because you got a disdainful reply to a nonsensical post? Roll Eyes
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Re: Question about Rogue splash and trapping
Reply #47 - Dec 8th, 2013 at 5:47pm
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My responses to other posters are more substantial. You're just not worth more than one or two sentence of my time.
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Re: Question about Rogue splash and trapping
Reply #48 - Dec 8th, 2013 at 7:26pm
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Sham wrote on Dec 8th, 2013 at 5:47pm:
My responses to other posters are more substantial. You're just not worth more than one or two sentence of my time.


I think you really just don't have a clue and are trying to conceal that fact.
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Re: Question about Rogue splash and trapping
Reply #49 - Dec 8th, 2013 at 7:42pm
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Astraghal wrote on Dec 8th, 2013 at 7:26pm:
I think you really just don't have a clue and are trying to conceal that fact.


Nobody gives a shit what you think. Everyone knows you really don't have a clue and choose to spam nonsense. Someone tell Stainer to come back and scare you shitless to disappear.
  
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