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Munkenmo
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Oct 4
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Roguenmo Drowbuild
Goals:
High 2wf dps
Good self healing
Trap skills
Drow 13rogue/4FVS/3Monk
Base Stats
(assuming +4 tomes)
32pt 34pt 36pt
str 15 16 17
dex 17 17 17
con 12 12 11
int 10 10 10
wis 8 8 8
cha 16 16 16
Levels:
01
monk
: Cleave, Power Attack (M)
02
monk
: TWF (M)
03
fvs
: Empower Heal
04
monk
: Light Path, Str
05
rogue
:
06
fvs
: Adept of Forms
07
fvs
:
08
fvs
: Str
09
rogue
: Great Cleave
10
rogue
:
11
rogue
:
12
rogue
: ITWF, Str
13
rogue
:
14
rogue
:
15
rogue
: Improved Crit Pierce
16
rogue
: Str
17
rogue
: Opportunist
18
rogue
: GTWF
19
rogue
:
20
rogue
: Improved Evasion, Str
21
Epic
: Overwhelming Crit
22
Epic
:
23
Epic
:
24
Epic
: Improved Sneak Attack, Str
25
Epic
:
26
Epic
: Perfect TWF
27
Epic
: Master of forms
28
Epic
: Holy Strike, Str
Assasin (26)
1 core 1
3 Shiv
2 Sneak attack dice
2 Venomed Blades
2 Sneak attack dice
6 Damage boost
2 crit accuracy
2 Sneak attack dice
2 crit damage
2 Killer
2 Sneak attack dice
Warpriest (25)
1 core 1
3 toughness
2 righteous weapons
3 divine might
1 core 2
3 wall of steel
2 righteous weapons
2 smite weakness
2 righteous weapons
2 strength
2 Ameliorating strike
2 righteous weapons
Shintao (16)
1 core 1
6 deft strikes
1 core 2
2 fists of iron
6 iron skin
Ninja (13)
1 core 1
2 sneak attack dice
3 acrobatic
2 sneak attack dice
3 agility
2 sneak attack dice
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Re: Roguenmo
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Looks good, but a couple of things:
1) SA dice from Assassin and Ninja ---> same enhancements from different trees no longer stack as of 19.2 or 19.3 patches, I think.
2) Centered* with shortswords? Celestias?
3) No AP in Drow tree, so why this race?
4) No Shadow Veil kinda sucks. What if one was to make 10rog/6mnk/4fvs?
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Alex DeLarge wrote
on Oct 4
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Looks good, but a couple of things:
1) SA dice from Assassin and Ninja ---> same enhancements from different trees no longer stack as of 19.2 or 19.3 patches, I think.
I hadn't heard this. Are you sure?
Alex DeLarge wrote
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, 2013 at 8:13am:
2) Centered* with shortswords? Celestias?
Ninja Spies are centered with shortswords with just the core 1 enhancement. Dual Celestias are awesome. Combine them with a toon with a lot of SA dice and you will be doing shitloads of DPS.
Alex DeLarge wrote
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, 2013 at 8:13am:
3) No AP in Drow tree, so why this race?
My guess is for the extra Dex (to more easily qualify for Improved Sneak Attack) and Cha.
Alex DeLarge wrote
on Oct 4
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, 2013 at 8:13am:
4) No Shadow Veil kinda sucks. What if one was to make 10rog/6mnk/4fvs?
You'd lose 2 Sneak Attack Dice and Improved Evasion or Opportunist. Not sure I'd make that sacrifice for Shadow Veil. Get a Blurry item for 20% miss chance or EE Ring of Shadows for a 25% miss chance instead is what I'm thinking.
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Re: Roguenmo
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You need Weapon Finesse for Celestias.
https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/422146
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Astral wrote
on Oct 4
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You need Weapon Finesse for Celestias.
https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/422146
Except for the minor fact that the posted build is STR-based.
Looks interesting, Mo. I've been debating a 12 FVS/6 Monk/2 Paladin or Ranger Drow build, but this is an intriguing alternative. Also avoids the unfortunate FVS icon that is sure to lead to hilarity when pugging.
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Alex DeLarge wrote
on Oct 4
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3) No AP in Drow tree, so why this race?
Short swords are favoured weapon for drow god, IIRC.
The drow racial tree is busted at the moment as well.
Looks like fun, Mo, I enjoy playing your builds (with some minor tweaks of my own while leveling)
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Re: Roguenmo
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Astral wrote
on Oct 4
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You need Weapon Finesse for Celestias.
https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/422146
Nope.My dex rogue/monk in wind stance and dual Celestias does just fine.
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Arkat wrote
on Oct 4
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I hadn't heard this. Are you sure?
Supposedly. I haven't checked yet.
Arkat wrote
on Oct 4
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, 2013 at 9:23am:
You'd lose 2 Sneak Attack Dice and Improved Evasion or Opportunist. Not sure I'd make that sacrifice for Shadow Veil. Get a Blurry item for 20% miss chance or EE Ring of Shadows for a 25% miss chance instead is what I'm thinking.
I had to take 13 rogue, I don't want to miss out on opportunist and improved evasion both.
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Re: Roguenmo
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Just keep in mind that righteous weapons breaks Celestia's ability to break DR. And I have no faith in Turbine fixing it.
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Re: Roguenmo
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Slug wrote
on Oct 4
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, 2013 at 1:12pm:
Just keep in mind that righteous weapons breaks Celestia's ability to break DR. And I have no faith in Turbine fixing it.
The weapon already has a +7 enhancement bonus, I thought they were ok so long as damage flags weren't getting added?
Alex DeLarge wrote
on Oct 4
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, 2013 at 8:13am:
Looks good, but a couple of things:
1) SA dice from Assassin and Ninja ---> same enhancements from different trees no longer stack as of 19.2 or 19.3 patches, I think.
I've not heard of this, I'll look into it further.
2) Centered* with shortswords? Celestias?
Yes
3) No AP in Drow tree, so why this race?
Racial shortswords = +4 added to my enhancement shortswords enhancement via warpriest.
4) No Shadow Veil kinda sucks. What if one was to make 10rog/6mnk/4fvs?
I'll probably end up playing this toon in Shadowdancer in epics anyway, so shadow veil isn't that big a deal to me.
aswell as what Akrat pointed out, dropping below 12rogue also prevents me taking improved sneak attack. That's another 3d6 I'd be missing out on.
Astral wrote
on Oct 4
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, 2013 at 11:34am:
You need Weapon Finesse for Celestias.
https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/422146
LOL
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Munkenmo wrote
on Oct 4
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The weapon already has a +7 enhancement bonus, I thought they were ok so long as damage flags weren't getting added?
I was going by this:
https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/426724-somthings-make-quot-Celestia-qu...
Take it for what it's worth.
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Munkenmo wrote
on Oct 4
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3) No AP in Drow tree, so why this race?
Racial shortswords = +4 added to my enhancement shortswords enhancement via warpriest.
ahh right, Vulkoor and shortswords. Just as long as "righteous weapons" are not adding stupid damage flags (Slug's link) that break Celestia's DR breaking ability
4) No Shadow Veil kinda sucks. What if one was to make 10rog/6mnk/4fvs?
I'll probably end up playing this toon in Shadowdancer in epics anyway, so shadow veil isn't that big a deal to me.
Shadowdancer indeed
aswell as what Akrat pointed out, dropping below 12rogue also prevents me taking improved sneak attack. That's another 3d6 I'd be missing out on.
right, forgot about Imp. SA, that one is the deal breaker. Yes, 13 rogue is absolutely necessary
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Re: Roguenmo
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Alex DeLarge wrote
on Oct 4
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Looks good, but a couple of things:
1) SA dice from Assassin and Ninja ---> same enhancements from different trees no longer stack as of 19.2 or 19.3 patches, I think.
Just hit level 5. Can definitely confirm they still stack.
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Arkat wrote
on Oct 4
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Not sure I'd make that sacrifice for Shadow Veil. Get a Blurry item for 20% miss chance or EE Ring of Shadows for a 25% miss chance instead is what I'm thinking.
That's not an "instead of", that's an "as well as". Incorporeal miss chance =/= concealment miss chance; Ring of Shadows is nice for conserving a slot, I guess, but I get sad if I don't have both 25% incorporeal and 20% or greater concealment. 10% incorporeal from RoS is better than nothing though.
I can quite see why this build doesn't splash deeper into Monk, but I'd struggle not to 'cos I'm so in love with Shadow Veil. Monks break mathematics with their fists: as far as I'm concerned, any number of Monk levels greater than 2 is at least 6
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Slight edit made to feat order, as I didn't have enough BAB for great cleave at level 6.
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Munkenmo wrote
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Just hit level 5. Can definitely confirm they still stack.
Well, awesome!!! At least for the time being...
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Persiflage wrote
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That's not an "instead of", that's an "as well as". Incorporeal miss chance =/= concealment miss chance; Ring of Shadows is nice for conserving a slot, I guess, but I get sad if I don't have both 25% incorporeal and 20% or greater concealment. 10% incorporeal from RoS is better than nothing though.
I can quite see why this build doesn't splash deeper into Monk, but I'd struggle not to 'cos I'm so in love with Shadow Veil. Monks break mathematics with their fists: as far as I'm concerned, any number of Monk levels greater than 2 is at least 6 Wink
That is true and what I actually intended to say: both concealment and incorporeal. As my toons enjoy permablur + at the very least 10% (25% for monks) and Displacement clickies for toughest fights. Well, if he's gonna be mainly in ShadowDancer ED, it negates the need for 6 monk lvls, however.
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Re: Roguenmo
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I'd like to understand this split better: going 13/4/3 instead of, say, 15 rog/3mnk/2FVS has which specific benfits?
So far, I see +2 weapon damage, +3 to hit, +1 Str, +4 HP and the Ameliorating strike Vs. +2 to hit and +1 sneak attack dice.
Are there other interesting key features I'm missing?
That's not opinion, that's science. And science is one cold hearted bitch with a 14 inch strap on.
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You summed up perfectly why I went with more fvs levels.
3fvs also = 5dr/-
At level 23 now with 90 devotion I'm getting 1-3 procs per ameliorating strike for 100+ per proc, that alone to me is worth giving up 1d6 sneak attack.
Also rogue enhancements suck, seriously look at how shit your AP options are with more rogue levels.
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just curious: what are your thoughts on the elemental fury (the shortsword from stormhorn) vs celestia?
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you're not serious are you?
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you're not serious are you?
he sounds serious.
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kierg10 wrote
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just curious: what are your thoughts on the elemental fury (the shortsword from stormhorn) vs celestia?
You mean until someone gets celestias?
If I got one as a byproduct from running that quest I'd use it till I got celestias.
Personally I've got a litII, radII, minII, earth/air/water alchem and an epic garos' malice to tide me through till Celestias.
If I didn't have any of those, I'd just get The cleric comms Star of Day and start grinding Celestias.
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Munkenmo wrote
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You summed up perfectly why I went with more fvs levels.
3fvs also = 5dr/-
At level 23 now with 90 devotion I'm getting 1-3 procs per ameliorating strike for 100+ per proc, that alone to me is worth giving up 1d6 sneak attack.
Also rogue enhancements suck, seriously look at how shit your AP options are with more rogue levels.
Can you confirm if Righteous Weapons fucks up Celestia's DR breaking ability?
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Negative.
I don't have one yet.
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