Ok, I'm coming in late and I didn't bother to read the whole thread, so bear with me if I just repeat what other said.
First off, thanks for finally answering...
Though it and the acknowledgement that there was a problem should have come way way way earlier.
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Last week we updated Lamannia with a new barter option in place for earning Hearts of Wood in-game. While we would have been better if the information I posting here was released at the same time, we received feedback from the community on the most concerning issues that come with both introducing a new system and changing an old. Below, I intend to address a few facts on the system, cover some of the design thoughts and also address concerns that were highlighted over the weekend.
When Update 20 goes out to live servers, there will be a new commendation available through select Epic Sagas that will allow players to barter for Hearts of Wood. Initially these Epic Sagas will offer an option to claim a Commendation of Valor; in time we intend to add additional methods to obtain “Commendations of Valor.”
(a) Saga: The End of Eberron (Epic)
(b) Saga: Perils of Cormyr (Epic)
(c) Saga: The Planeswalker’s Path (Epic)
(d) Saga: Menace of the Underdark (Epic)
(e) Saga: Honor of the Huntsilvers (Epic)
(f) Saga: In the Wastes of Gianthold (Epic)
A quest can overlap two or more sagas. In the situation where a quest is in multiple sagas, you will receive completion credit for each saga, for example, completing “A stay at the Inn” from the Update 16 Adventure Pack will reward credit in 3 Saga’s (b, c, e above). In this way, you can complete 5 sagas by playing 36 quests, and various combinations within that scenario if you prefer to skip some content.
The points you earn from completing a saga will vary based on the difficulty you completed them in. The number of commendations earned on an all elite run is 3-4 times that of an all normal run. In addition to difficulty, the higher level sagas tend to reward more commendations as well. Since the commendation is the currency, the important figure is the cost of the Hearts of Wood.
You are not addressing the fact that we do not want this new unit of value ( lets call it Crappy BTC Thing for now ) to be tied to the Saga.
By the above paragraphs you are trying to justify the tie to the Sagas.
If you want to do something to alleviate our concerns make the Crappy BTC Thing drop in Chests in quest. ( end quest chest like the Tokens right now would be ideal )
You can also keep them as Saga Reward if you want.
The whole point being that people do not run sagas, we run quests, eventually quest chains when they are needed for flagging, Sagas are just a bonus for us in our gameplay, it's not an objective and never will be.
We play for the Fun, we don't want to have to do painful quests just so that we can get our Crappy BTC Things for our next life, as such we play quests where we are having fun.
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Feedback received:
The prices on Lamannia are not final – inspired by the Lamannia feedback, the Heroic Heart of Wood will be greatly reduced from the price displayed in the bartershop today. We’ll be looking at your additional feedback and how players play through sagas, and adjust the costs appropriately. We expect the average player to, upon reaching the minimum level requirement, spend additional hours to obtain a Heart of Wood – but never hundreds of hours. Since the heroic goal is 20, we are lowering the expectation of number of Epic quests needed to earn the heart. You will find that Iconic and Epic hearts cost more because you are expected to earn most of it during gameplay, if you approach earning commendations as your priority reward for Sagas. We are still working on these values, and next Lamannia update they will be lower (though still open to adjustment up/down based on feedback)
So basically you're telling us that the values we saw are
placeholder values. We all know the value of
placeholder values when they appears in Lamannia.
They have almost always been the final values in game. It has been the case for many years now. This time we are not going to let it drop, we want exact values before it goes live.
Or if you go the way I suggested above ( drop in chests ), make the Crappy BTC Thing drop in End chests at the same rate as the Tokens, and make the Heroic True Heart Cost the same price as it costs right now.
Quote:Saga’s have been intermittently off since they were introduced this summer. We approached this system with much consideration for delivering something this important, so it is not taken lightly, and we are focused on making sure that Sagas remain available for players who have already started engaging with them, even before the commendations were “the new thing”.
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What are we solving?
• The saga system serves to spread out repeat questing and reward for playing a variety of content and more challenging content. It does not penalize for playing out of order and you can be on track for multiple sagas simultaneously.
• One thing, which players have already pointed out, is we are moving to a single game currency specifically for Hearts of Wood. New content, Eberron or FR, will not use Tokens of the Twelve, formerly “Epic Dungeon Tokens.” Originally intended as a hardcore option for the most Elite level cap builds – prior to U14 - the accessibility was made trivial for some when Epic levels were introduced. We left that unchecked and low priority for some time and there is an amazing disparity between players that can grind dozens in hours vs. the majority that takes days (20-30 hours) of gameplay to accomplish – we are balancing this system.
• Along those lines, for over a year DDO has not been adding to the Twelve tokens reward system, quite the opposite, and we will continue to deprecate this system over time. As this is being written, the design team is discussing a few approaches to how this will be done.
The saga system is a bonus, we don't play the game running Sagas. We play it running quests and eventually quest chains when we need them for flagging.
Sagas are something new you added on top of quests and quest chains supposedly to make it more new players friendly, If there is new players in this almost 8 year old game. Old players (those that are interested in TR, as they have been doing it for a long time now) don't play saga, or use them just as an added bonus when they eventually complete one.
As stated above we don't really care about the name of the currency, as long as it drops in the same amount and in the same locations than the Tokens and it costs the same amount to get an Heroic Heart of Wood.
If you want to fully deprecate the tokens you need to address the Seal/Scroll/Shard problem,and the only way to address it is to open the scroll exchange to all the scrolls and to extend it to shards and seals.... Then you will be able to fully deprecate the Tokens and removed them... but if you try to get rid of them without addressing the Old Epic Items you will have another sit-in on Wayfinder really fast.
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Feedback received:
As of this writing, Update 20 will not remove the Heart of Wood from the Twelve barter NPC. Next steps will be discussed at a later date, but eventually commendations will be the preferred method of exchange – ideally this is preferred by most players, today that is not the case and we are acting accordingly.
I do want to point out that the name of the True Druidic Heart of Wood is changing to Heroic Heart of Wood and all existing true-hearts will be updated to match.
As stated above, if you make the new currency BTA, make it drop in End quest chests at the same rate than the tokens, and if the Heroic Heart costs the same amount as with Tokens everybody will be happy. As long as any of the thing in the previous phrase is not there, you will have a problem with the community.
And as you now have stated that you are going to deprecate the Tokens Officially, you really need to come out and tell us what the plans are for the Seals/Shards/Scrolls Old Epic Items. ( and please NO RANDOM crappy powers on them )
Edit : for me winning on this topic means that they make the stuff drop in chests, BTA and with a cost similar to the actual True Heart for the Heroic Heart.
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