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Re: Monk - off tank?
Reply #25 - Oct 22nd, 2013 at 10:59pm
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I think you mean exploit. Bugs are the things that hurt players. Best watch out, or Tolero will remove all but 3 of the PRR.
  
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Reply #26 - Oct 22nd, 2013 at 11:16pm
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How many of you noticed that he doesn't have GTWF in his setup?

Reroll on Wayfinder immediately, noob
  
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Reply #27 - Oct 22nd, 2013 at 11:30pm
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Alex DeLarge wrote on Oct 22nd, 2013 at 11:16pm:
How many of you noticed that he doesn't have GTWF in his setup?

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I forgot Imp is not the final tier but Greater is. I do have greater on this build.
  
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Reply #28 - Oct 22nd, 2013 at 11:38pm
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Sham wrote on Oct 22nd, 2013 at 9:36pm:
So from Munk's testing it seems to work without white armor and does not give doublestrike.

If that's true this bug is really, really bad to build. Munk doesn't seem to be getting any prr or doublestrike with shield mastery feats. Doublestrike from legendary shield mastery also doesn't work. You're spending 2 feats and playing in sentinel for 15 prr... which becomes even worse the higher prr you already have.


Okay I am seeing what you and Munk are both saying.  Because I am not getting anything out of the Feats themselves, and I am making up for it with only getting +15 PRR I should drop the two feats correct? Instead of the two feats what suggestions do you have? One person said Toughness is dumb. But if I keep that and don't change it to Cleave like previously mentioned, and instead swap Imp. SM for Cleave, what should I put in place for Shield mastery?         Also I have the Epic feats Bulward, Imp. Martial Arts, and Vorpal Strike. Sorry forgot to mention them.
  
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Re: Monk - off tank?
Reply #29 - Oct 22nd, 2013 at 11:59pm
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Alex DeLarge wrote on Oct 22nd, 2013 at 11:16pm:
How many of you noticed that he doesn't have GTWF in his setup?


I noticed he was a feat shorter than he should have been, figured it was GTWF.

I was saving the nugget for later on, after I broke his spirit.


RynD wrote on Oct 22nd, 2013 at 11:38pm:
what should I put in place for Shield mastery?         Also I have the Epic feats Bulward


Drop both Shield masteries, Get Cleave and Great Cleave.
Drop Bulwark for Overwhelming Critical.

Then your base build will finally start to come together.
  
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Reply #30 - Oct 23rd, 2013 at 12:12am
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Munkenmo wrote on Oct 22nd, 2013 at 11:59pm:
Drop both Shield masteries, Get Cleave and Great Cleave.
Drop Bulwark for Overwhelming Critical.

Then your base build will finally start to come together.


And if he really cares about PRR, he should take Epic Damage Reduction at lvl27.
10PRR w/o any prerequisites, there done and done!
  
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Reply #31 - Oct 23rd, 2013 at 1:31am
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I was saving the nugget for later on, after I broke his spirit.

Drop both Shield masteries, Get Cleave and Great Cleave.
Drop Bulwark for Overwhelming Critical.

Then your base build will finally start to come together. [/quote]

Cleave understood. Overwhelming Crit can't take due to only having 18 base Str after tome. I went Wisdom based. Is G. Cleave still worth taking with its slower response to going back to regular attacks?  I am not the only person to notice this slowdown in attack speed for an extra all around damage.  Some said not taking again because of it, and they have been using it for many lives.
  
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Reply #32 - Oct 23rd, 2013 at 1:59am
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RynD wrote on Oct 23rd, 2013 at 1:31am:
Overwhelming Crit can't take due to only having 18 base Str after tome.


Find a better stat point allocation.

Great Cleave is awesome once you know how to use it properly with tactics.
  
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Reply #33 - Oct 23rd, 2013 at 3:21am
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Munkenmo wrote on Oct 23rd, 2013 at 1:59am:
Great Cleave is awesome once you know how to use it properly with tactics.


to bad unarmed gr cleave is broken on everything but human male
  
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Reply #34 - Oct 23rd, 2013 at 3:30am
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to bad unarmed gr cleave is broken on everything but human male


See my previous post.

Munkenmo wrote on Oct 23rd, 2013 at 1:59am:
Great Cleave is awesome once you know how to use it properly with tactics.
  
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Reply #35 - Oct 23rd, 2013 at 5:19am
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Btw, need some clarification:
Does 15monk have the same +dc as the 16monk when counting half monk levels?
To be more precise, 16/2=8* and 15/2=7.5* rounds up to ~8*?
  
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Reply #36 - Oct 23rd, 2013 at 5:33am
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Munkenmo wrote on Oct 23rd, 2013 at 1:59am:
Great Cleave is awesome once you know how to use it properly with tactics.


This... would explain why I've never been able to get cleaving tactical manoeuvers to work with a human male, then?
  
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Reply #37 - Oct 23rd, 2013 at 6:04am
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Alex DeLarge wrote on Oct 23rd, 2013 at 5:19am:
Btw, need some clarification:
Does 15monk have the same +dc as the 16monk when counting half monk levels?
To be more precise, 16/2=8* and 15/2=7.5* rounds up to ~8*?


no. rounds down.
  
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Reply #38 - Oct 23rd, 2013 at 6:05am
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Persiflage wrote on Oct 23rd, 2013 at 5:33am:
This... would explain why I've never been able to get cleaving tactical manoeuvers to work with a human male, then?


yeah, but that's no big deal when you TR into bladeforged.
  
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Reply #39 - Oct 23rd, 2013 at 6:08am
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Persiflage wrote on Oct 23rd, 2013 at 5:33am:
This... would explain why I've never been able to get cleaving tactical manoeuvers to work with a human male, then?

Yes, if you would spam something without own animation when using buggy greater cleave on both sexes Elf, Drow, Horc and human female.
But it looks completely retarded if you care about such thing ( I do ).

OP, only morons like Therigar ( on his great quest to tell anyone how awesome AC is, too bad can't survive 2 trash mobs lol ) would run monk in Sentinel.
What's the fucking point, you can't kill shit and only thing you gonna tank is training dummy.
The whole concept is really stupid.
  
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Reply #40 - Oct 23rd, 2013 at 6:26am
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Munkenmo wrote on Oct 23rd, 2013 at 3:30am:
See my previous post.



i mean as in the actual attack animation is fucked up

check out this vid made by pointless some time ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ox3EWh1ak8

you do this shitty hop, then the cleave and then about 1,5s later you see a few dmg numbers, less than with cleave becasue even with the bigger gr cleave radius it hits less mobs
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Reply #41 - Oct 23rd, 2013 at 6:37am
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Munkenmo wrote on Oct 23rd, 2013 at 6:04am:
no. rounds down.


Thanks, Munk
  
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Reply #42 - Oct 23rd, 2013 at 6:39am
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i mean as in the actual attack animation is fucked up

check out this vid made by pointless some time ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ox3EWh1ak8

you do this shitty hop, then the cleave and then about 1,5s later you see a few dmg numbers, less than with cleave becasue even with the bigger gr cleave radius it hits less mobs


How fucking many times do i need to point out:

PRACTICE IT WITH TACTICAL FEATS.
  
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Reply #43 - Oct 23rd, 2013 at 8:16am
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RynD wrote on Oct 22nd, 2013 at 9:10pm:
Thanks for the Info.  Helpful.  My Charisma isn't the greatest from the start due to having points, and my pluses went into Wis for AC and DC for Stunning Fist.  Maybe I can LR and put them into Chr? Your thoughts?


your stats should be fine, the total i listed started with 9 base and no level ups.....so yo just gotta gear up Wink
  
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Reply #44 - Oct 23rd, 2013 at 10:59am
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Munkenmo wrote on Oct 23rd, 2013 at 6:05am:
yeah, but that's no big deal when you TR into bladeforged.


I'm looking forward to it.  At least, I'm looking forward to it provided I don't have to run any fucking stupid sagas in order to TR at all.
  
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Reply #45 - Oct 23rd, 2013 at 1:58pm
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kierg10 wrote on Oct 23rd, 2013 at 8:16am:
your stats should be fine, the total i listed started with 9 base and no level ups.....so yo just gotta gear up Wink


Awesome thank. Have a +8chr with +9resist necklace now. I'll look for the higher +s when leaving.  As said think gear is my big thing to fix.  Thanks for the real help! Smiley
  
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Reply #46 - Oct 23rd, 2013 at 1:59pm
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Persiflage wrote on Oct 23rd, 2013 at 10:59am:
I'm looking forward to it.  At least, I'm looking forward to it provided I don't have to run any fucking stupid sagas in order to TR at all.


Tr to bladeforge might be an option come u20.  More power from past life too.
  
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Reply #47 - Oct 23rd, 2013 at 2:16pm
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i mean as in the actual attack animation is fucked up

check out this vid made by pointless some time ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ox3EWh1ak8

you do this shitty hop, then the cleave and then about 1,5s later you see a few dmg numbers, less than with cleave becasue even with the bigger gr cleave radius it hits less mobs



My melee wolf druid no longer does this hop with great cleave when not in animal form. I also no longer experience a delay in damage, whether in wolf or human form. Did they change it recently?
  
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Reply #48 - Oct 23rd, 2013 at 3:34pm
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Reply #49 - Oct 23rd, 2013 at 3:47pm
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What the heck is an "off-tank" and where are these used in DDO?


I still see uses for a "tank". But I have no idea what an "off-tank" is.
  
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