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FakeStrake Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama, Derailment and Duping! Posts: 1584 Location: Inferno side Joined: Jul 5^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Inventory Cleaned with "Extreme Prejudice" Reply #150 - Oct 24^th, 2013 at 2:41am	Print Post
	rest wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 2:39am: We have a very large Asian population - I doubt you'd find anything tentacle-free there. I doubt by measure of length it would qualify as tentacle. BOOM


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FakeStrake Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama, Derailment and Duping! Posts: 1584 Location: Inferno side Joined: Jul 5^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Inventory Cleaned with "Extreme Prejudice" Reply #151 - Oct 24^th, 2013 at 2:44am	Print Post
	Crunch ButtSteak wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 1:18am: No, Item was not the recipient of the ban/gutting.� It was someone else.� I believe that Backley was reporting what he witnessed in the UserChat. It was not Item, but another, who was organizing a Thanksgiving raffle-giveaway.� The giveaway is now off because all of the donated gear was gutted also, if I understand correctly. Sounds like turkey ran away Before thanksgiving day


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Sham Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Random Effects on Named Loot! - No one ever Posts: 685 Location: Siberia Joined: May 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Inventory Cleaned with "Extreme Prejudice" Reply #152 - Oct 24^th, 2013 at 2:46am	Print Post
	rest wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 2:39am: We have a very large Asian population - I doubt you'd find anything tentacle-free there. Before you say we all look alike, I'm just adding Chinese don't do tentacles. Japan is from another dimension not Asia.


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Sham Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Random Effects on Named Loot! - No one ever Posts: 685 Location: Siberia Joined: May 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Inventory Cleaned with "Extreme Prejudice" Reply #153 - Oct 24^th, 2013 at 2:46am	Print Post
	YABB


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FakeStrake Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama, Derailment and Duping! Posts: 1584 Location: Inferno side Joined: Jul 5^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Inventory Cleaned with "Extreme Prejudice" Reply #154 - Oct 24^th, 2013 at 2:49am	Print Post
	Crunch ButtSteak wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 12:23am: How could it have been worse?� Dude had a toon setup for a good-hearted server raffle event.� Now he won't ever login again.� For what they did to him, they might as well have permabanned him.� Cause he's not coming back at all now. If he had good hearted raffle planned, and received donations, WHY DID HE DUPE?! Everything to lose and nothing to gain. Maybe Madoff is scamming and didn't lose an item but wants moar donations. Speculation is fun.


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FakeStrake Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama, Derailment and Duping! Posts: 1584 Location: Inferno side Joined: Jul 5^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Inventory Cleaned with "Extreme Prejudice" Reply #155 - Oct 24^th, 2013 at 2:51am	Print Post
	Yobai wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 12:27am: After a month I'll be DDO clean and sober and be used to doing RL shit instead. Wishful thinking, NERD!!!11! Good luck with that.


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FakeStrake Puppy Farmer Offline I Love Drama, Derailment and Duping! Posts: 1584 Location: Inferno side Joined: Jul 5^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Inventory Cleaned with "Extreme Prejudice" Reply #156 - Oct 24^th, 2013 at 2:56am	Print Post
	pnellesen wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2013 at 8:11pm: but what part of the duping would have affected EDs??? For your ED, try duping the little blue pills.


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rest One Man Wolfpack Offline Posts: 7223 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Inventory Cleaned with "Extreme Prejudice" Reply #157 - Oct 24^th, 2013 at 2:57am	Print Post
	Sham wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 2:46am: Before you say we all look alike, I'm just adding Chinese don't do tentacles. Japan is from another dimension not Asia. We have a bunch of Pinoys and Viets too. I imagine there are some Japanese folks in the mix. And y'all certainly don't look alike. At least to anyone who's ever spent time with different types of Asians.


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Yobai Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4126 Joined: Jul 26^th, 2012	Re: Inventory Cleaned with "Extreme Prejudice" Reply #158 - Oct 24^th, 2013 at 2:58am	Print Post
	Sham wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 2:46am: Japan is from another dimension not Asia. QFT.

	Revaulting wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 8:16pm: Have you tried a lower difficulty, such as the official forums?
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Flav Vault Frog Offline One Frog to Rule them All! Posts: 10011 Location: Land of the Frogs Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Inventory Cleaned with "Extreme Prejudice" Reply #159 - Oct 24^th, 2013 at 3:46am	Print Post
	Oh dear it's tough to read everything this morning, so many threads in The Vault, so many information.... yawn and drink some coffee

	Yes my avatar is an Hermine eating a Greenland Lemming for brunch.
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Alex DeLarge Epic Poster Offline Get ready for some of the 'ol in-out, in-out Posts: 3489 Location: Foggy Albion Joined: May 11^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Inventory Cleaned with "Extreme Prejudice" Reply #160 - Oct 24^th, 2013 at 3:52am	Print Post
	Flav wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 3:46am: Oh dear it's tough to read everything this morning, so many threads in The Vault, so many information.... yawn and drink some coffee Wakey, wakey, eggs and bacey!


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Yobai Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4126 Joined: Jul 26^th, 2012	Re: Inventory Cleaned with "Extreme Prejudice" Reply #161 - Oct 24^th, 2013 at 4:05am	Print Post
	Alex DeLarge wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 3:52am: Wakey, wakey, Turbine brakey! FTFY

	Revaulting wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 8:16pm: Have you tried a lower difficulty, such as the official forums?
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AtomicMew Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 2073 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2011	Re: Inventory Cleaned with "Extreme Prejudice" Reply #162 - Oct 24^th, 2013 at 4:15am	Print Post
	FakeStrake wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 2:49am: If he had� good hearted raffle planned, and received donations, WHY DID HE DUPE?! Everything to lose and nothing to gain. Maybe Madoff is scamming and didn't lose an item but wants moar donations. Speculation is fun. Yes, he really wants now worthless EE garbage to clutter up his inventory.


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NOTdarth Puppy Farmer Offline Save the Planet, Kill Yourself Posts: 1495 Joined: Oct 15^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: Inventory Cleaned with "Extreme Prejudice" Reply #163 - Oct 24^th, 2013 at 4:19am	Print Post
	GooFY wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2013 at 9:25pm: You are the second person to say this.� You're both jumping to conclusions. You really need to come up with a fresher schtick.� It's quite possible to both; 1) think Turbine are idiots and 2) not give a shit about dupers losing items. First one is directed at the Shuy cunt. If you found yourself included in my conclusion you can go suck Shuy's dick. Both are not mutually exclusive. As for my self: 1) there is too many fucktards working on sinking the ship 2) i don't give a fuck if you duped, didn't dupe, got caught or didn't get caught, it does not affect me the slightest 3) vast majority of GMs are morons and have no idea what they're doing.


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RAM Korthos Resident Offline Not by Strength by Guile Posts: 28 Joined: Aug 20^th, 2009	Re: Inventory Cleaned with "Extreme Prejudice" Reply #164 - Oct 24^th, 2013 at 4:30am	Print Post
	Shuy wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2013 at 6:42pm: What kind of punishment would that be? Take away only their duped items and they will do it again. Take away their earned items and you are sure they will think about it ten times the next time. A completely appropriate one: the punishment is the 14 days banned; the restitution is the loss of dup�d items. Proportional response is key to ensuring compliance. Wiping his character does not ensure he will think ten times next time because he will not still be around the �next time� to think. Disproportional response simply does not work. Consistent & fair enforcement is required and Turdbine has consistently FAILED with both.


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deftest Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 314 Joined: Jul 13^th, 2011	Re: Inventory Cleaned with "Extreme Prejudice" Reply #165 - Oct 24^th, 2013 at 4:50am	Print Post
	well they are consistant in their fail......so there is that


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Shuy Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 613 Joined: Jun 29^th, 2013	Re: Inventory Cleaned with "Extreme Prejudice" Reply #166 - Oct 24^th, 2013 at 4:51am	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 1:41am: Ok Mother Theresa. Suddenly youre a turbine savior? Shut the fuk up. Stop smoking a pack of turbine dicks a day and you'll see that THEY fukin sell exploits. They need the money. Your little f2p shit aint cutting it brah. Feather's U19 gear has a nice little feature making it the best TR twink gear in the game. Why?? Because he knows his shit sucks and needed a sales boost that would eventually get around. Every one is TRing, why not affect that? They sold Shear of Fate. You dick slurping cum guzzler. They allowed Twists in heroics so the people you pike off of every day would buy EDs. They sold a trillion store bags. They raked sick amounts of Astral Shards. Cheaters run and� fund your fuking� game. So that you can pike raids and get carried through TRs. Go home Truudh/Ironclan/Lubed/Sha/Forzah/Uska You ever noticed how you were always unpopular and excluded in school? No? Poor thing. Must be hard to have 0 friends That's all you people can fucking say. Quoting: "Someone missed the exploit and crying" "Go home turbine fanboi" "We exploited because they deserve it" etc. You are fucking pathetic. You exploited? Good for you. But stop being the little bitch you are and quit whining because they fucked you up your ass when they got you. @RAM: No. 14 days ban IS NOT AN APPROPRIATE PUNISHMENT for the duping of thousands of items. It's NOT proportional. To whoever said I didn't exploit: I don't give a fuck if you think I exploit or not. If I would be banned or my items would be deleted, I wouldn't cry like your little bitches.


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RAM Korthos Resident Offline Not by Strength by Guile Posts: 28 Joined: Aug 20^th, 2009	Re: Inventory Cleaned with "Extreme Prejudice" Reply #167 - Oct 24^th, 2013 at 5:39am	Print Post
	Shuy wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 4:51am: @RAM: No. 14 days ban IS NOT AN APPROPRIATE PUNISHMENT for the duping of thousands of items. It's NOT proportional. By itself, you would be correct � 14 days alone is not appropriate (dependent upon severity); however, that is why they must also remove the items. Together, they are an appropriate and proportional response. Proper punishment ENCOURAGES future compliance through deterrence and rehabilitation. Overly punitive disproportional punishments do not accomplish this. It is why crimes are separated into Misdemeanor & Felony and then further categorized into classes. Not every crime warrants the death penalty; indeed countries where the death penalty is the only option still suffer from petty crime. A player coming back to a wiped account is 1) not going to come back or 2) work to screw Turdbine at everyone else�s expense. Neither is a preferred outcome especially when both are easily avoided.


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NaturalHazard VoD Slasher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1889 Joined: Jul 28^th, 2011	Re: Inventory Cleaned with "Extreme Prejudice" Reply #168 - Oct 24^th, 2013 at 6:12am	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 1:41am: Go home Truudh/Ironclan/Lubed/Sha/Forzah/Uska You ever noticed how you were always unpopular and excluded in school? No? Poor thing. Must be hard to have 0 friends I didn't make the list?


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Shuy Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 613 Joined: Jun 29^th, 2013	Re: Inventory Cleaned with "Extreme Prejudice" Reply #169 - Oct 24^th, 2013 at 6:26am	Print Post
	RAM wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 5:39am: By itself, you would be correct � 14 days alone is not appropriate (dependent upon severity); however, that is why they must also remove the items. Together, they are an appropriate and proportional response. Proper punishment ENCOURAGES future compliance through deterrence and rehabilitation. Overly punitive disproportional punishments do not accomplish this. It is why crimes are separated into Misdemeanor & Felony and then further categorized into classes. Not every crime warrants the death penalty; indeed countries where the death penalty is the only option still suffer from petty crime. A player coming back to a wiped account is 1) not going to come back or 2) work to screw Turdbine at everyone else�s expense. Neither is a preferred outcome especially when both are easily avoided. People who exploit, talking just about DDO and the examples Turbine gave us over the years, often are aware that all they will get is MAX 14 days ban and the removal of ill items. So, just a ban + the removal of such items just doesn't cut it anymore (it never did, Turbine just got this now). They know it always worked like this: 1) you get caught and in the best case scenario, you will have a 14 days ban but you will keep your duped items. 2) you get caught and in the worst case scenario, your duped items will be deleted and you will have just wasted a couple of hours duping them + 14 days ban. Basically, there was ZERO risks at all for exploiting. You see why this can't be the case anymore? It was a case of uber win (case 1) or meh, couple hours wasted (case 2). Hence, they needed a third case scenario. Which is perfect for future exploits. Why? Because I (a generic I), who just exploited now but got away with it, the next time won't probably. Or, you are a Vaultie and cry like a bitch if your items get deleted.
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NaturalHazard VoD Slasher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1889 Joined: Jul 28^th, 2011	Re: Inventory Cleaned with "Extreme Prejudice" Reply #170 - Oct 24^th, 2013 at 6:40am	Print Post
	Shuy wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 6:26am: People who exploit, talking just about DDO and the examples Turbine gave us over the years, often are aware that all they will get is MAX 14 days ban and the removal of ill items. So, just a ban + the removal of such items just doesn't cut it anymore (it never did, Turbine just got this now). They know it always worked like this: 1) you get caught and in the best case scenario, you will have a 14 days ban but you will keep your duped items. 2) you get caught and in the worst case scenario, your duped items will be deleted and you will have just wasted a couple of hours duping them + 14 days ban. Basically, there was ZERO risks at all for exploiting. You see why this can't be the case anymore? It was a case of uber win (case 1) or meh, couple hours wasted (case 2). Hence, they needed a third case scenario. Which is perfect for future exploits. Why? Because I (a generic I), who just exploited now but got away with it, the next time won't probably. Or, you are a Vaultie and cry like a bitch if your items get deleted. Yeah well isn't it a bit over kill like how they apparently cleaned out some people? I don't really care if they lost some extra ingredients and maybe 1-2 really nice toys, especially if its stuff that they used a lot of duped mats to upgrade, that is going to hurt enough to make most people hesitate next time for sure. But to just totally stip an account? That's a bit counter productive no? Say someone duped a whole bunch of stuff, made themselves a few greenscale armours, upgraded a bunch of citw/fot items. If the lose all the duped stuff, the armours and have all the upgraded stuff, degraded, and lose 1-2 of the stuff they upgraded as well wouldn't that be enough of a smack on the bottom?


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Shuy Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 613 Joined: Jun 29^th, 2013	Re: Inventory Cleaned with "Extreme Prejudice" Reply #171 - Oct 24^th, 2013 at 6:47am	Print Post
	NaturalHazard wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 6:40am: Yeah well isn't it a bit over kill like how they apparently cleaned out some people? I don't really care if they lost some extra ingredients and maybe 1-2 really nice toys, especially if its stuff that they used a lot of duped mats to upgrade, that is going to hurt enough to make most people hesitate next time for sure. But to just totally stip an account? That's a bit counter productive no? Say someone duped a whole bunch of stuff, made themselves a few greenscale armours, upgraded a bunch of citw/fot items. If the lose all the duped stuff, the armours and have all the upgraded stuff, degraded, and lose 1-2 of the stuff they upgraded as well wouldn't that be enough of a smack on the bottom? 1-2 really nice toys? Like what? Every single item can be farmed in a couple of days with Raid bypass timers or can be bought via trades. SOS Shard, Litany, eRoSS are the only actually hard items to get at the moment that comes to mind. But don't forget there is also the Bag exploit still going on. They wouldn't be so hard to get between guildies, friends, whatever. Would have I acted in a different way? Probably yes. Do I think what Turbine did is overkill? No. Do I think exploiters need to be responsable for their own actions and stop whining? I do.


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Alex DeLarge Epic Poster Offline Get ready for some of the 'ol in-out, in-out Posts: 3489 Location: Foggy Albion Joined: May 11^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Inventory Cleaned with "Extreme Prejudice" Reply #172 - Oct 24^th, 2013 at 6:49am	Print Post
	Shuy wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 6:26am: People who exploit, talking just about DDO and the examples Turbine gave us over the years, often are aware that all they will get is MAX 14 days ban and the removal of ill items. So, just a ban + the removal of such items just doesn't cut it anymore (it never did, Turbine just got this now). They know it always worked like this: 1) you get caught and in the best case scenario, you will have a 14 days ban but you will keep your duped items. 2) you get caught and in the worst case scenario, your duped items will be deleted and you will have just wasted a couple of hours duping them + 14 days ban. Basically, there was ZERO risks at all for exploiting. You see why this can't be the case anymore? It was a case of uber win (case 1) or meh, couple hours wasted (case 2). Hence, they needed a third case scenario. Which is perfect for future exploits. Why? Because I (a generic I), who just exploited now but got away with it, the next time won't probably. Or, you are a Vaultie and cry like a bitch if your items get deleted.


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NaturalHazard VoD Slasher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1889 Joined: Jul 28^th, 2011	Re: Inventory Cleaned with "Extreme Prejudice" Reply #173 - Oct 24^th, 2013 at 6:57am	Print Post
	Shuy wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 6:47am: 1-2 really nice toys? Like what? Every single item can be farmed in a couple of days with Raid bypass timers or can be bought via trades. SOS Shard, Litany, eRoSS are the only actually hard items to get at the moment that comes to mind. But don't forget there is also the Bag exploit still going on. They wouldn't be so hard to get between guildies, friends, whatever. Would have I acted in a different way? Probably yes. Do I think what Turbine did is overkill? No. Do I think exploiters need to be responsable for their own actions and stop whining? I do. dude I would be pissed if I lost my pinion, cleaver and other citw weapons even, Pissed enough to think its definately not worth risking a banning over. And it can take a lot of completions of citw to get the weapons you want if your unlucky, I know people who got to 60 without getting what they wanted. Sorry I think just raping someones account to the point where he might as well piss off is a bit over kill. Heck i would be hurt enough if they just stripped my torcs/baubles off me.


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Shuy Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 613 Joined: Jun 29^th, 2013	Re: Inventory Cleaned with "Extreme Prejudice" Reply #174 - Oct 24^th, 2013 at 6:59am	Print Post
	NaturalHazard wrote on Oct 24^th, 2013 at 6:57am: dude I would be pissed if I lost my pinion, cleaver and other citw weapons even, Pissed enough to think its definately not worth risking a banning over. And it can take a lot of completions of citw to get the weapons you want if your unlucky, I know people who got to 60 without getting what they wanted. Sorry I think just raping someones account to the point where he might as well piss off is a bit over kill. Heck i would be hurt enough if they just stripped my torcs/baubles off me. Next time, don't exploit and you won't risk anything. I know, it's stupid right?
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