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Luxgolg Shroud Slacker Offline So many bugs Posts: 1221 Location: Over there Joined: Oct 2^nd, 2012 Gender:	What does this all mean? Jan 31^st, 2014 at 12:31pm	Print Post
	Can anyone translate this for me? What exactly did Turdbine infringe apon? http://www.scribd.com/doc/109599420/Treehouse-Avatar-Technologies-v-Turbine http://www.patentbuddy.com/Patent/8180858

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Dullknife Merkinspotter Offline Posts: 826 Joined: Nov 30^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: What does this all mean? Reply #1 - Jan 31^st, 2014 at 12:55pm	Print Post
	Looks like turbine settled with a patent troll. Deal involves Turbine licensing said patent troll's software. Wonder if this has anything to do with these 3rd party plugins. Infringement seems to be the methodology of the core engine, that deals with data sent to client/player's PC, and back to turbine's servers.
	« Last Edit: Jan 31^st, 2014 at 12:56pm by Dullknife »

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Kimberlite Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1074 Joined: Aug 30^th, 2010	Re: What does this all mean? Reply #2 - Jan 31^st, 2014 at 12:59pm	Print Post
	Did Turbine settle, or is that just the initial claim? More on this Treehouse douches: http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/196190/ Submarine patent from 2000, finalized in 2010. Kill them with fire or acid, and salt the earth where they walked.

	Memnir wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 10:59am: Note to any Turbine staffers reading this, and one I genuinely hope you share around the office: DDO has become a shit game because y'all have made it a shit game. Once it was great. Now, it's a festering puddle of monkey diarrhea. No matter how you try to justify it, or pat yourselves on the back for doing great jobs... it's a shit game now because of you. Y'all keep on giving the players the middle finger, and you keep expecting us to reward you for the abuse. I've had it with you narcissistic fuckwads and your myopic policies of ineptitude.
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Dullknife Merkinspotter Offline Posts: 826 Joined: Nov 30^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: What does this all mean? Reply #3 - Jan 31^st, 2014 at 1:00pm	Print Post
	http://gamepolitics.com/2013/11/25/turbine-settles-lawsuit-treehouse-avatar-tech... says they settled, dated November last year.


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Kimberlite Shroud Slacker Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 1074 Joined: Aug 30^th, 2010	Re: What does this all mean? Reply #4 - Jan 31^st, 2014 at 1:00pm	Print Post
	Ah, found the link about settlement. Too bad Turbine is spineless. Makes it harder for everyone else. http://massively.joystiq.com/2013/11/25/turbine-settles-treehouse-avatar-technol...

	Memnir wrote on Jun 14^th, 2013 at 10:59am: Note to any Turbine staffers reading this, and one I genuinely hope you share around the office: DDO has become a shit game because y'all have made it a shit game. Once it was great. Now, it's a festering puddle of monkey diarrhea. No matter how you try to justify it, or pat yourselves on the back for doing great jobs... it's a shit game now because of you. Y'all keep on giving the players the middle finger, and you keep expecting us to reward you for the abuse. I've had it with you narcissistic fuckwads and your myopic policies of ineptitude.
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Flav Vault Frog Offline One Frog to Rule them All! Posts: 10011 Location: Land of the Frogs Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: What does this all mean? Reply #5 - Jan 31^st, 2014 at 1:03pm	Print Post
	patent trolling. Nothing to see, move along.

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Luxgolg Shroud Slacker Offline So many bugs Posts: 1221 Location: Over there Joined: Oct 2^nd, 2012 Gender:	Re: What does this all mean? Reply #6 - Jan 31^st, 2014 at 1:08pm	Print Post
	http://nvisionapp.com/video/article/Treehouse-Suing-Turbine-for-MMO-Games Yup...2012 was not a good year for Turbine. This explains a lot

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cdr Horoluth Raider Offline sleetstormer Posts: 2813 Joined: Dec 29^th, 2011	Re: What does this all mean? Reply #7 - Jan 31^st, 2014 at 1:09pm	Print Post
	Treehouse is a patent troll. Since it's insanely easy to get invalid patents issued in the US, especially for software, scamsters form legal entities to buy or manufacture invalid patents and then extort money from legitimate companies. The cost of the "settlements" the trolls offer is very precisely designed to be less than the cost of fighting them in court, so most companies pay the troll off - especially since most trolls will go after smaller companies without ability to spend the vast sums required to fight the troll in court. Only recently have even the larger companies really started to fully fight trolls; Newegg has famously spent millions of dollars taking a couple of trolls all the way through the court system to the endgame of getting their bogus patents declared invalid. Treehouse may have took a bit of a gamble with Turbine, but it successfully extorted quite a few smalltime/indie MMO makers. And apparently Turbine was indeed small enough that they didn't have the resources to fight.
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Newbin3:16 Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 75 Joined: Jan 28^th, 2014	Re: What does this all mean? Reply #8 - Jan 31^st, 2014 at 3:17pm	Print Post
	It's not always only about resources. More often than not (in my personal experience dealing with large corporations) it's about the economics. Typically large companies try not to let financial decisions like whether to settle a law suit (bogus or not) get overly complicated by mixing in questions of principle. If it makes good economic sense to settle a claim rather than fight it, then that's what they'll typically do. Sometimes the principle at issue is just too important for a company to walk away from, but that doesn't happen very often and typically only when settling is likely to set a bad precedent and invite further claims (which is really just another factor in making a financially-based decision).


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Bill Z Bubb Boobies Controller Offline I only know three chords! Posts: 1238 Joined: Jul 2^nd, 2012	Re: What does this all mean? Reply #9 - Jan 31^st, 2014 at 3:41pm	Print Post
	You'd think a corp as large as Warner Bros would love to have some of their junior lawyers play with a patent troll.

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Newbin3:16 Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 75 Joined: Jan 28^th, 2014	Re: What does this all mean? Reply #10 - Jan 31^st, 2014 at 3:58pm	Print Post
	Unless they botched it and lost


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Luxgolg Shroud Slacker Offline So many bugs Posts: 1221 Location: Over there Joined: Oct 2^nd, 2012 Gender:	Re: What does this all mean? Reply #11 - Jan 31^st, 2014 at 4:01pm	Print Post
	Newbin3:16 wrote on Jan 31^st, 2014 at 3:58pm: Unless they botched it and lost� � Meh...so all 9000 users would have to find a new game?

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raybob DQ Assaulter Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 452 Joined: Sep 15^th, 2012 Gender:	Re: What does this all mean? Reply #12 - Jan 31^st, 2014 at 4:21pm	Print Post
	Bill Z Bubb wrote on Jan 31^st, 2014 at 3:41pm: You'd think a corp as large as Warner Bros would love to have some of their junior lawyers play with a patent troll. Really. WB has a legal department on retainer. Put them to work.


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cdr Horoluth Raider Offline sleetstormer Posts: 2813 Joined: Dec 29^th, 2011	Re: What does this all mean? Reply #13 - Jan 31^st, 2014 at 4:25pm	Print Post
	Newbin3:16 wrote on Jan 31^st, 2014 at 3:17pm: It's not always only about resources.� More often than not (in my personal experience dealing with large corporations) it's about the economics.� Typically large companies try not to let financial decisions like whether to settle a law suit (bogus or not) get overly complicated by mixing in questions of principle.� If it makes good economic sense to settle a claim rather than fight it, then that's what they'll typically do.� Sometimes the principle at issue is just too important for a company to walk away from, but that doesn't happen very often and typically only when settling is likely to set a bad precedent and invite further claims (which is really just another factor in making a financially-based decision). It's more about short-term thinking versus long-term. Short term, sure, cheaper to pay the extortion money to make them go away. Long term, it encourages more vultures to come take chunks out of you since you're a soft target. Fight one or two and the rest mostly decide not to screw with you. So basically it is about resources, because the large companies with the resources - Newegg and Google, as notable examples - are figuring out that long term they've got to fight the jackals. It's the little guys who can't put up $50,000 to fight an initial court filing - much less the millions it can take to actually shut a troll down - that're screwed.
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Luxgolg Shroud Slacker Offline So many bugs Posts: 1221 Location: Over there Joined: Oct 2^nd, 2012 Gender:	Re: What does this all mean? Reply #14 - Jan 31^st, 2014 at 4:29pm	Print Post
	cdr wrote on Jan 31^st, 2014 at 4:25pm: It's more about short-term thinking versus long-term. Short term, sure, cheaper to pay the extortion money to make them go away. Long term, it encourages more vultures to come take chunks out of you since you're a soft target. Fight one or two and the rest mostly decide not to screw with you. So basically it is about resources, because the large companies with the resources - Newegg and Google, as notable examples - are figuring out that long term they've got to fight the jackals. It's the little guys who can't put up $50,000 to fight an initial court filing - much less the millions it can take to actually shut a troll down - that're screwed. Except Turdbine partnered with them and they share the license now. They keep getting paid.

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mystafyi Abbot Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 836 Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: What does this all mean? Reply #15 - Jan 31^st, 2014 at 11:55pm	Print Post
	Luxgolg wrote on Jan 31^st, 2014 at 4:29pm: Except Turdbine partnered with them and they share the license now. They keep getting paid. Not exactly partnership, but they are paying treehouse licencing fee's. Quite strange.


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Yobai Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4126 Joined: Jul 26^th, 2012	Re: What does this all mean? Reply #16 - Feb 1^st, 2014 at 12:00am	Print Post
	mystafyi wrote on Jan 31^st, 2014 at 11:55pm: Not exactly partnership, but they are paying treehouse licencing fee's. Quite strange. eever think patent trolls have forums where they all get together and talk about their next victims?

	Revaulting wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 8:16pm: Have you tried a lower difficulty, such as the official forums?
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Azog Ex Member	Re: What does this all mean? Reply #17 - Feb 1^st, 2014 at 12:21am	Print Post
	I guess patent trolls will have it harder in the future: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/12/05/the-house-votes-on-...


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Flav Vault Frog Offline One Frog to Rule them All! Posts: 10011 Location: Land of the Frogs Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: What does this all mean? Reply #18 - Feb 1^st, 2014 at 3:09am	Print Post
	WB probably looked at where the wind blew and decided to pay up until the Anti-patent troll law was voted. We will see what they do for 2014...

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Azog Ex Member	Re: What does this all mean? Reply #19 - Feb 1^st, 2014 at 3:37am	Print Post
	BTW, I am reading that Germany have such anti-troll laws since 1974. `Mericans, you should learn from Hi...from Germany!!!


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Flav Vault Frog Offline One Frog to Rule them All! Posts: 10011 Location: Land of the Frogs Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: What does this all mean? Reply #20 - Feb 1^st, 2014 at 3:56am	Print Post
	My side of the Rhine has something like that too, from about that long ago.

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Yobai Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4126 Joined: Jul 26^th, 2012	Re: What does this all mean? Reply #21 - Feb 1^st, 2014 at 5:46pm	Print Post
	Quote: BTW, I am reading that Germany have such anti-troll laws since 1974. `Mericans, you should learn from Hi...from Germany!!! They also have anti-Nazi laws. look how well that's working.

	Revaulting wrote on Jul 7^th, 2015 at 8:16pm: Have you tried a lower difficulty, such as the official forums?
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Flav Vault Frog Offline One Frog to Rule them All! Posts: 10011 Location: Land of the Frogs Joined: Aug 29^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: What does this all mean? Reply #22 - Feb 1^st, 2014 at 6:13pm	Print Post
	Yobai wrote on Feb 1^st, 2014 at 5:46pm: They also have anti-Nazi laws.� look how well that's working. They are not of Kraut making... They were forced down their throat by Brits, Frogs, Ruskies and Yankees at the end of WWII. The Krauts wouldn't have had any problem with them not being there.

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