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OnePercenter Advocatus Diaboli Offline Ants Eat Dead Grasshoppers Posts: 9985 Joined: Dec 4^th, 2011 Gender:	Zeus Build Feb 9^th, 2014 at 7:42pm	Print Post
	https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/435435-Zeus-God-of-Thunder-and-Lightni... Looks fun, but the damage output doesn't look too different from my Cetus BF build. Thoughts?

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spathic Stocky Greenis Offline Taunting the stupid since before you were born. Posts: 1623 Location: Shenandoah valley Joined: Mar 2^nd, 2012 Gender:	Re: Zeus Build Reply #1 - Feb 9^th, 2014 at 8:40pm	Print Post
	Zeus got laid a lot more than your Cetus build. Seems sound.

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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4339 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Zeus Build Reply #2 - Feb 9^th, 2014 at 10:21pm	Print Post
	I think a 12rogue/4monk/4paladin is a more rounded build you get to keep divine might & pally saves, access to metamagic feats. gains: 5% movement speed ( & +10% more for not being in defensive) 2% dodge 1/1/1 saves.

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AtomicMew Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 2073 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2011	Re: Zeus Build Reply #3 - Feb 9^th, 2014 at 10:21pm	Print Post
	If you look at damage per hit only... but rogue staff mastery makes the attack speed a helluva a lot higher, and you have more doublestrike. It looks like this has much higher melee DPS, but lacks ranged ability, so it's a tradeoff.


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OnePercenter Advocatus Diaboli Offline Ants Eat Dead Grasshoppers Posts: 9985 Joined: Dec 4^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Zeus Build Reply #4 - Feb 9^th, 2014 at 11:45pm	Print Post
	Thanks all. Good points. Prolly wait for a Sireth before rolling one.

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MrWindupBird Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 9 Joined: Nov 17^th, 2013	Re: Zeus Build Reply #5 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 2:44am	Print Post
	Haven't played Cetus's build, but had a different split stick mutt for a bit. In addition to the lack of ranged option, a qstaff build also has much weaker cleaves: the lack of glancing blows and slow cleave animation makes autoattack a much better option most of the time. So, more single target damage (how much more I can't say from experience, but by the numbers its quite a bit) but significantly less AoE. Looks fun. Rogue skills are gonna be in vogue again I think.


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Cetus Ex Member	Re: Zeus Build Reply #6 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 8:40am	Print Post
	Its hard to say just given that one video, but I'm not feeling too good about that builds DPS. - Crit numbers are low - and he's fully blitzed too - He underestimates the importance of cleaves for the following reasons: 1. By making a build that prioritizes doublestrike above all else, you sabotage your cleaving efficiency - since they don't doublestrike. 2. He's doing a high mob density quest, which can also be said about most of our endgame today - so the usefulness of cleaves is unprecedented. 3. He doesn't proc any glancing blows, which on a fully blitzed centered kensei are almost as high as his front number. 4. Momentum swing - if he wants to make maximum use of his doublestrike, he'd have to cleave seldomly - which compromises momentum swing refresh Also, I don't get why he went with 6 pally versus a deeper monk splash, those defender enhancements aren't worth it when he can grab fists of iron. I could be totally wrong about this, but these are my initial thoughts on it
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harharharhar Epic Poster Offline Girthless Trolllicker Posts: 3421 Joined: Aug 31^st, 2012 Gender:	Re: Zeus Build Reply #7 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 9:30am	Print Post
	Cetus is right about everything. No cleaves/lay waste/momentum is a huge dps loss on anything but single target boss fights. I run a 10/6/4 stick build sorc monk pally and the dps is good, but nowhere near a proper kensei with eSoS or cleaver (sorc PLs in BF so up thru 28). Without cleaves those cleaves on big groups of ee mobs you take too much damage killing them too slow i think. When you hit your boosts you want that damage on as many targets as possible to maximize output. At least, thats how i do thf, especially if youre blitzing.


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tachyon Titan Demolisher Offline Posts: 369 Joined: Jun 28^th, 2013	Re: Zeus Build Reply #8 - Feb 10^th, 2014 at 5:35pm	Print Post
	I feel like you can get higher sustained doublestrike and attack speed on one of munk's druid splits.


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Anthrax Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 8 Joined: Jan 7^th, 2014	Re: Zeus Build Reply #9 - Feb 17^th, 2014 at 5:44pm	Print Post
	Greetings all of you... I am making a modified build of this...with the focus on thf feats as well. Feat starved as I am I need your advice... The tricky pony is at lvl 27.... I can choose either to go with GTHF (since I only have ITHF) or I can choose Blinding Speed I really love both of them so I need your advice on what you would have chosen. Also at lvl 26 it makes more sense to me to take PTHF instead of PTWF since I am already investing into the THF feats. What's your input here? Best Regards! /A


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Starkjade Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Rogue Scholar Posts: 7082 Location: Canadia Joined: Aug 27^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Zeus Build Reply #10 - Feb 18^th, 2014 at 4:51pm	Print Post
	Perfect two weapon gives the doublestrike even if you're using a two-handed weapon. Far better than +10% glancing blow damage, I think, although someone could prove me wrong with maths that I'm unwilling to do myself. There are no feat requirements for either one.

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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Zeus Build Reply #11 - Feb 18^th, 2014 at 5:10pm	Print Post
	Anthrax wrote on Feb 17^th, 2014 at 5:44pm: Greetings all of you... The tricky pony is What's your input here? Best Regards! /A I found it trixie pony right there
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