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Epic Druid Winter wolf build
Mar 4^th, 2014 at 7:41am

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Trying to finalise my next life for once I finish my first ETR. Currently the build is a pastlifenmo 9 druid 9 fighter 2 monk with 2 epic levels so far, I intend to pick the doublestrike EPL and want to pick up two more of the same. Once I ETR, I would like to HTR in order to have a stronger build as well as pick up the fighter PL, for which I will be going 9/9/2 D/M/F. I just wanted to lay the build out as I intend it at the moment to see whether I've miscalculated anywhere and improve on anything. Bear in mind the purpose of the build is both to get back to epic, and then run through two EPLs. If/when I decide to HTR again, I will probably LR out one level of fighter and grab the druid heroic past life.

The Build

Stat	Base	Tome	Level increase	Gear + Enhance	Total
Strength	17	5	7	23	52
Dexterity	12	5	0	15	32
Constitution	13	5	0	16	34
Intelligence	9	5	0	12	26
Wisdom	17	5	0	16	38
Charisn'tma	8	5	0	11	24

Level Order/Feats

Level	Class	Standard/Epic Feats	M/F/H Feats
1	Druid	Empower Healing Spell	Power Attack
2	Druid
3	Druid	Cleave
4	Druid
5	Druid
6	Druid	Great Cleave
7	Druid
8	Druid
9	Druid	Natural Fighting
10	Monk		Stunning Fist
11	Monk		Two weapon fighting
12	Monk	Improved Critical: Bludgeoning	Path of Harmonious Balance
13	Monk
14	Monk
15	Monk	Master of Forms	Dodge
16	Monk
17	Monk
18	Monk	Natural Fighting
19	Fighter		Improved Two Weapon Fighting
20	Fighter		Greater Two Weapon Fighting
21	Epic	Overwhelming Critical
22	Epic
23	Epic
24	Epic	Natural Fighting
25	Epic
26	Epic	Perfect Two Weapon Fighting
27	Epic	Past Life: Disciple of the Fist
28	Epic	Tactician

Enhancements

Nature's Warrior
Nature's Warrior
Extra Wild Empathy
Aggravate
Instinctive Fighting
Flight
Vengeful Hunter
Hide of the Crocodile
Instinctive Fighting
Fight
Reaving Roar
Improved Dodge
Strength
Four legs good
Essence of the Shrike
Strength
Alpha Strike
Wild Healing
Natural Adept

Kensei
Kensei focus: Martial Arts
Action Boost: Haste
Reed in the Wind
Tactics

Shintao
Bastion of Purity
Deft Strike
Protection from Tainted Creatures
Iron Skin
Iron Hand

Ninja Spy
Basic Ninja Training
Sneak Attack Training
Acrobatic
Advanced Ninja Training
Sneak Attack Training
Fists of Iron
Agility
Shadow Veil

Human
Damage Boost
Improved recovery

Skills:

Max ranks: Concentration, Heal, Spot, UMD
10 ranks: Balance
1 rank: tumble

Epic Destiny

I'll mostly be levelling the last couple of off destinies I have (arcane sphere, ugh), but if/when I fancy running EEs it will be in LD with Dance of flowers, Legendary tactics and either sense weakness or lithe/unearthly reactions twisted.

Points for consideration

Stunning fist DC: 14 base + 14 wisdom mod + 10 stunning wraps + 5 mastery item + 2 tactician + 3 enhancements + 1 fighter PL + 6 legendary tactics = 55 DC This is feeling too low, I'm leaning towards switching 6 level ups to wisdom for another 3 DC, but suspect this is still not enough to stay ahead of the curve, even in EH and I'd like to be mostly levelling EEs in order to max comms

Enhancements: Not sure I'm getting the best bang for my buck here. Particularly unsure about Nature's warrior. Like I said, I've levelled this build to 22 with a 9 fighter split and enjoyed having triple cleaves immensely, but in EEs the extra agro from reaving roar feels more like a liability than an asset, and cleave is not something I'm using much either, so Alpha Strike is not as attractive. I'm really not seeing another tier 5 I want to pick up though. Season's Herald?

Overall split: I've gone for fighter as it's allowed me a really feat efficient build that allows me to take all the natural fightings (once I have the last EPL, this build will be running 50%+ standing doublestrike), but would be open to alternatives. The 9/9 is set in stone though.

Anyway, thanks for reading my waffle this far. Any feedback/flaming gratefully received.

« Last Edit: Mar 4^th, 2014 at 8:41am by totally »

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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Munkenmo epic Reply #1 - Mar 4^th, 2014 at 7:54am	Print Post
	I tried the 9d 9f 2mnk build twice and I dislike them, prefer the 9 m 9 ftr 2 drd build instead. You lose out on the Nat fight feats, but you gain defender stance 25 prr, 3 to saves, better base saves, movement speed, imp evasion, higher W die, Shadow fade, higher dodge, Heal ki. Edit: i just saw you wanted to go into a 9d 9m 2f build next, ignore the above. That seems good actually, not much youre getting from fighter past 2 levels that isnt feats, and stance, but only if you wanted the ftr PL. Also 3 ftr gets you kensai core 2 handy for raising implements on weapon. You do get that druid BAB, but meh
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	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4363 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Munkenmo epic Reply #2 - Mar 4^th, 2014 at 8:03am	Print Post
	You can't take natural fighting at 9, as you don't have 9 druid levels by level 9. It should be pretty easy to squeeze in all 3 natural fighting feats and TWF chain on a 9druid/9monk/2fighter. totally wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 7:41am: Points for consideration Stunning fist DC: 14 base + 14 wisdom mod + 10 stunning wraps + 5 mastery item + 2 tactician + 3 enhancements + 1 fighter PL + 6 legendary tactics = 55 DC This is feeling too low, I'm leaning towards switching 6 level ups to wisdom for another 3 DC, but suspect this is still not enough to stay ahead of the curve, even in EH and I'd like to be mostly levelling EEs in order to max comms It is really low, It'll likely be ok in EH, but it'll be next to useless in EE Enhancements: Not sure I'm getting the best bang for my buck here. Particularly unsure about Nature's warrior. Like I said, I've levelled this build to 22 with a 9 fighter split and enjoyed having triple cleaves immensely, but in EEs the extra agro from reaving roar feels more like a liability than an asset, and cleave is not something I'm using much either, so Alpha Strike is not as attractive. I'm really not seeing another tier 5 I want to pick up though. Season's Herald? I went for Shintao T5 on my 9/9/2.
	« Last Edit: Mar 4^th, 2014 at 8:41am by Munkenmo »
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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4363 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Munkenmo epic Reply #3 - Mar 4^th, 2014 at 8:09am	Print Post
	https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/431687-new-player-to-Druid-warning-new...

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totally DQ Assaulter Offline Posts: 457 Joined: Sep 2^nd, 2013	Re: Epic Druid Winter wolf build Reply #4 - Mar 4^th, 2014 at 8:37am	Print Post
	Updated the title to remove confusion/page rank bollocks. Better split in your linked post, but since I have a 14% speed item (will get a 15 when I pick up an EE Jorgundals/Goat boots) will probably take the PL feat instead (not that it makes much difference for the epic TR), and I still think I like my stat split more. I assume I'm missing something on the tier 5 shintao. Seen a lot of hints around this on here, so I will do some fiddling once I have the opportunity to do so. EDIT: Have updated the OP.
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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4363 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Epic Druid Winter wolf build Reply #5 - Mar 4^th, 2014 at 8:46am	Print Post
	I edited the previous post. The stat split in that link was for a 32point build, it's not what id do for someone with +5 tomes, but I wouldn't deviate from the heroic feats / leveling order. Only thing I miss on this split is Ddoor. Also I've been tempted a few times to spend 6more AP in kensai for +3 tactics, it may be well worth it for you, I've got a slightly better wisdom score.
	« Last Edit: Mar 4^th, 2014 at 8:50am by Munkenmo »
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totally DQ Assaulter Offline Posts: 457 Joined: Sep 2^nd, 2013	Re: Epic Druid Winter wolf build Reply #6 - Mar 4^th, 2014 at 8:49am	Print Post
	Yeah, I would take ddoor and drop empower healing while levelling through heroic I think. I also agree on the level split/feats, I think 2 fighter is definitely best. Still not sure on where to try and build up my SF DC. I guess I could do another 2 fighter heroics, but yawn Will also get another 2 wisdom if I pick up your enhancements, although as I said, I'd still be tempted to drop reaving and pick up fatal harrier.
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tachyon Titan Demolisher Offline Posts: 369 Joined: Jun 28^th, 2013	Re: Epic Druid Winter wolf build Reply #7 - Mar 4^th, 2014 at 9:06am	Print Post
	T3 Acrobatic doesn't give you another +1% to dodge last time I checked, so you can save yourself a point in Ninja Spy if you wanted to. Confused on why you're picking up Empty Hand Mastery as well. You stated before that it doesn't work in wolf form. I feel like Reaving Roar doesn't do much for you in EE; I would drop it completely or take Fatal Harrier which is great while blitzing imo. Shifting these points would also allow you to take beguile, which is sexy.�


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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4363 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Epic Druid Winter wolf build Reply #8 - Mar 4^th, 2014 at 9:07am	Print Post
	totally wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 8:49am: although as I said, I'd still be tempted to drop reaving and pick up fatal harrier. TBH in epic levels they both suck, I only kept reaving as filler for the temp sp. If you don't value the SP much, i'd definately make cuts in natures warrior for +3 DC's in kensai & pick up beguile for some CC.
	« Last Edit: Mar 4^th, 2014 at 9:09am by Munkenmo »
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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4363 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Epic Druid Winter wolf build Reply #9 - Mar 4^th, 2014 at 9:08am	Print Post
	tachyon wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 9:06am: T3 Acrobatic doesn't give you another +1% to dodge last time I checked, so you can save yourself a point in Ninja Spy if you wanted to. it does now Confused on why you're picking up Empty Hand Mastery as well. You stated before that it doesn't work in wolf form.it does now things change

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tachyon Titan Demolisher Offline Posts: 369 Joined: Jun 28^th, 2013	Re: Epic Druid Winter wolf build Reply #10 - Mar 4^th, 2014 at 9:09am	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 9:08am: things change This makes me happy


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totally DQ Assaulter Offline Posts: 457 Joined: Sep 2^nd, 2013	Re: Epic Druid Winter wolf build Reply #11 - Mar 4^th, 2014 at 9:18am	Print Post
	Sweet baby Damien on a tricycle. Awesome. Gives me a good bit more incentive to push on to cap and TR now.


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tachyon Titan Demolisher Offline Posts: 369 Joined: Jun 28^th, 2013	Re: Epic Druid Winter wolf build Reply #12 - Mar 4^th, 2014 at 9:18am	Print Post
	Stunning Fist DC should\could be a lot higher, especially if you're running in GMOF. I think you forgot to include +10 base DC of stunning fist. 16 starting 7 levels 1 Human Adapt (depending on how much wisdom you want to squeeze out of your trees, enhancements always suck lol) 11 Item 2 Yugo 3/2 insight (trinket or slotted) 1 exceptional 6 GMOF 5 Tome 4 (Shintao\Nature's Warrior or Ninja Spy, depending on how you work it) 55 or 56 WIS Stunning Fist: 10 Base 22 or 23 Wis Mod 14 Half Char Level 10 Stunning item 6 LD twist 6 Cloak of Bear or� +5 Consuming Darkness 3 GMOF 3 Fighter Tactics 2 Tactician 1 Fighter PL 76\78 Stunning fist DC
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totally DQ Assaulter Offline Posts: 457 Joined: Sep 2^nd, 2013	Re: Epic Druid Winter wolf build Reply #13 - Mar 4^th, 2014 at 9:44am	Print Post
	Yeah, I could definitely work the DC a little higher with an alternative enhancement layout, but I mostly blitz so the few points of extra strength to boost the base damage for those big crits seemed to make sense. Maybe I should reconsider, with higher wisdom EiN is I guess viablish. I have everything in your list + 1 fighter PL, and missing an 11 wis item. Spell list is the other thing I wanted to think about. Currently I'm running: 1. Jump, Magic Fang, Produce Flame, Ram's Might, Takedown 2. Resist Energy, Lesser restoration, creeping cold, align fang, barkskin 3. Protection from Energy, remove disease, Sleet storm, baiting bite 4. FOM, Ice Storm, Harrowing pack 5. Cure crit and wall of fire/deathward Produce flame and creeping cold are very rarely used, lesser restore and remove disease just save a slot on a pot, but I don't really see much else at those levels to bother with really. I really should try and fit in a +10 trip item as I also find takedowns DC a bit low, although if I up my wisdom a bit, that could again make a difference. Wall of Fire I've only ever really situationally used in undead heavy heroic quests. Sleet/ice storm combo is way too useful otherwise. Is lightning storm worth it instead of deathward? Again, it's just saving inventory space on a couple of clickies. I guess I could pick up greater vigor instead, but it doesn't stack with cocoon does it?


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Epic Druid Winter wolf build Reply #14 - Mar 4^th, 2014 at 10:48am	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 9:08am: things change So winter wolf form is granting d12's w monk W die.. And full 2wf with 30% speed. Hmm, does staff 30% speed stack there??

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Persiflage Abbot Raider Offline Posts: 974 Location: Khyber Joined: Jan 28^th, 2013	Re: Epic Druid Winter wolf build Reply #15 - Mar 4^th, 2014 at 10:58am	Print Post
	totally wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 8:49am: Will also get another 2 wisdom if I pick up your enhancements, although as I said, I'd still be tempted to drop reaving and pick up fatal harrier. Munkenmo wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 9:07am: TBH in epic levels they both suck, I only kept reaving as filler for the temp sp. I'd have agreed with you when they were a) mutually exclusive and b) cost action points, but, y'know, "features"

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tachyon Titan Demolisher Offline Posts: 369 Joined: Jun 28^th, 2013	Re: Epic Druid Winter wolf build Reply #16 - Mar 4^th, 2014 at 12:20pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Mar 4^th, 2014 at 10:48am: So winter wolf form is granting d12's w monk W die.. And full 2wf with 30% speed. Hmm, does staff 30% speed stack there?? Worth testing... oh man


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Packfan Waterworks Kobold Offline It's personal Posts: 197 Joined: Jul 24^th, 2013	Re: Epic Druid Winter wolf build Reply #17 - Mar 4^th, 2014 at 12:25pm	Print Post
	Wow, a lot of stuff I didn't know about previously. I guess I'll be playing my 9/9/2 more now, though I went WF for the tactics (before Bforged were introduced). I might have to TR into another 992.


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froggy Stormreaver Piker Offline LUDICROUS SPEED GO!!!!!!! Posts: 539 Location: Georgia Joined: Dec 2^nd, 2013 Gender:	Re: Epic Druid Winter wolf build Reply #18 - Mar 6^th, 2014 at 2:44pm	Print Post
	No fatal harrier? wUt y u no speak anglais Anyways though....have you tried taking fatal harrier along with the enhancement "Killer"?� You need to splash 4 ranger, or 4 rogue?� A friend of mine went 13d/6ranger/1mnk and soloed EE DA in 20min.� (its not a huge accomplishment but it is something to be duly noted imo) Killer gets you 20% doublestrike when you kill 4 worthy opponents, and fatal harrier gives you 25% attack speed increase. Side note: if you take ranger levels you get the twf line...which works with druid now.� And when I say druid I really mean the animal forms. cough cough
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tachyon Titan Demolisher Offline Posts: 369 Joined: Jun 28^th, 2013	Re: Epic Druid Winter wolf build Reply #19 - Mar 6^th, 2014 at 3:14pm	Print Post
	froggy wrote on Mar 6^th, 2014 at 2:44pm: No fatal harrier? wUt y u no speak anglais Anyways though....have you tried taking fatal harrier along with the enhancement "Killer"?� You need to splash 4 ranger, or 4 rogue?� A friend of mine went 13d/6ranger/1mnk and soloed EE DA in 20min.� (its not a huge accomplishment but it is something to be duly noted imo) Killer gets you 20% doublestrike when you kill 4 worthy opponents, and fatal harrier gives you 25% attack speed increase. Side note: if you take ranger levels you get the twf line...which works with druid now.� And when I say druid I really mean the animal forms.� cough cough Why so many druid levels though? Self healing is fine even if you drop a couple. That would let you pick up 2 monk for evasion at least, and the extra feat... I'm guessing you could fit in the third tier of natural fighting that way if you worked the feats around, which his build doesn't pick up. The only thing you lose by going 12 druid is level 7 spells (not a big deal) and an elemental form.
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froggy Stormreaver Piker Offline LUDICROUS SPEED GO!!!!!!! Posts: 539 Location: Georgia Joined: Dec 2^nd, 2013 Gender:	Re: Epic Druid Winter wolf build Reply #20 - Mar 6^th, 2014 at 8:14pm	Print Post
	The 13s level gets you regenerate, which if you have a decent amount of healing amp along with a decent positive spell power, in 8 seconds one can easily recover 1.2k hitpoints, which helps a lot more than youd think in EEs And cacoon is ok, but its not nearly as good.

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totally DQ Assaulter Offline Posts: 457 Joined: Sep 2^nd, 2013	Re: Epic Druid Winter wolf build Reply #21 - Mar 7^th, 2014 at 4:33am	Print Post
	A 13/6/1 is a very different build, I'm unlikely to move from the 9D/9M/2? core, this just flat out rules out a 4 rogue or ranger splash. If I was picking up a ranger life (9d/9r/2m) I would consider playing about with killer, although I have had it on a 13/6/1 stick build and wasn't really convinced. You're aware it's a morale bonus of course, which means it doesn't stack with equipment, so it's only really of any noticeable difference when you have the three or four stacks, which is honestly not that often. It's also completely useless on red-named. Ditto fatal harrier; I've been testing it out the last couple of days rather than reaving roar, and to be quite honest I'm underwhelmed, you rarely have the full 5 (or even 4) stacks to make it worthwhile. I do like regenerate, but honestly with the healing amp and devotion I have, coccoon + cure crit is perfectly ok. Cure crit hit's for an average of about 200, which is a little light for emergency heals, but if I think I'm about to get damaged, I've usually already got cocoon up for an effective 250 initial hp, + 100 per tick. I rarely die because I'm unable to heal through damage, even in EEs (it's usually because I run face first into a trap I've convinced myself is another 10 feet further )


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Epic Druid Winter wolf build Reply #22 - Mar 8^th, 2014 at 8:09pm	Print Post
	totally wrote on Mar 7^th, 2014 at 4:33am: � I've usually already got cocoon up for an effective 250 initial hp, + 100 per tick. I rarely die because I'm unable to heal through damage, even in EEs (it's usually because I run face first into a trap I've convinced myself is another 10 feet further ) Think it's 150 temp hp not 250. Depending on your build you can get the 30% from human/pdk, another 30% hamp on pdk turn in glove, 20% bracers, 15% shintao core 3, and the cleric turn in ring for heal lore 16%. With positive power 200-250 cocoon should hit for 140-390 on crits. Magical training is 5% lore stacks with the lore ring for 21% to crit on your cocoons. Scroll mastery line would let heal scrolls hit for 510 there. If your stun fist is high enough the ninja spy no mercy ability, sense weakness twist, and LD combat brute is a lot of damage. I would suggest pdk for the kingiht training to stun fist dc bonus and heal amp line on the 9d/9m/2f.
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	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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tachyon Titan Demolisher Offline Posts: 369 Joined: Jun 28^th, 2013	Re: Epic Druid Winter wolf build Reply #23 - Mar 9^th, 2014 at 12:25am	Print Post
	What's the difference if you just go human? Knight Training doesn't seem to help at all on this build. And that would mean an LR or reordering of feats since you want to take your fighter levels last. PDK puppies are huge though
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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Epic Druid Winter wolf build Reply #24 - Mar 9^th, 2014 at 1:19am	Print Post
	tachyon wrote on Mar 9^th, 2014 at 12:25am: What's the difference if you just go human? Knight Training doesn't seem to help at all on this build. And that would mean an LR or reordering of feats since you want to take your fighter levels last. PDK puppies are huge though� You dont have to take them last since the build isnt maxing wisdom. It would add 2/3 points of dc to stun with slight investment into charisma. And if you ever tr out of it +3 to prr ;p

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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