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Mar 4th, 2014 at 10:46am
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I think that this is it, for me, for a number of reasons: ESO is almost out, and I'm sold; even if that doesn't last, EQN is on the horizon, with several more premier titles on the way; but more importantly, this build has pretty much killed the game for me.


Bladeforged Male Legend

12 Monk/5 Rogue/3 Favored Soul

STR   16 +3 tome + all levels
DEX   12 +2 tome
CON  16 +5 tome
INT   12  +2 tome
WIS    6  +3 tome
CHA   16  +3 tome

(Yea, my luck pulling tomes sucks; I do pretty well on other pulls, though...)


Skills:

Concentration - 21 ranks
Disable Device - 22 ranks
Open Lock - 11 ranks
Search - 23 ranks
Use Magic Device - 21 ranks
...some Jump and Balance


Feats:

Power Attack
Two-Handed Fighting (Monk)
Cleave
Dodge (Monk)
Great Cleave
Toughness (Monk)
Improved Two-Handed Fighting
Improved Critical: Bludgeoning
Greater Two-Handed Fighting
Grandmaster of Forms
Overwhelming Critical
Epic Toughness
Perfect Two-Handed Fighting
Blinding Speed
Perfect Two Weapon Fighting


Enhancements:

Thief-Acrobat (32) - Staff Specialization, No Mercy, Quick Strikes, Haste Boost

Bladeforged (19) - Power of the Forge, Improved Power Attack, Communion of Scribing

Ninja Spy (11) - Ninja Fade, Eagle Claw Attack

Henshin Mystic (9) - Fists of Iron, Way of the Patient Tortoise, Staff Training

Warpriest (9) - Divine Might, Wall of Steel



Epic Destiny: Legendary Dreadnought

Twists of Fate: A Dance of Flowers, Brace for Impact



I'm currently using Sireth and the Stout Oak Walking Stick with the Sun Soul set and a bunch of insane lootgen stuff because I don't care Smiley


This build is good for 1k HP without breaking a sweat, top shelf DPS, EH+ trap skills (haven't had a chance to try in EE, always have a real rogue or arti along), excellent self-healing, lots of defense (dodge, AC, PRR, DR, incorporeal, improved evasion and pretty good saves), and I can scroll Tenser's Transformation, Displacement, Teleport, Raise Dead, Heal, etc.

Frankly, it's kind of boring   Huh
  

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Reply #1 - Mar 4th, 2014 at 12:24pm
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I like it...
  

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Reply #2 - Mar 5th, 2014 at 10:57am
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Feynman wrote on Mar 4th, 2014 at 10:46am:
I think that this is it, for me, for a number of reasons: ESO is almost out, and I'm sold;


ESO is a shitty version of Skyrim, which sucked donkey balls.  You also have to pay out the ass for it.
  

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Reply #3 - Mar 5th, 2014 at 11:05am
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IMARANGER wrote on Mar 5th, 2014 at 10:57am:
ESO is a shitty version of Skyrim, which sucked donkey balls.  You also have to pay out the ass for it.



All true, but DDO is about played out, and I expect ESO to keep me amused at least until EQN is out.
  

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Reply #4 - Mar 5th, 2014 at 10:18pm
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I like this idea, but you could imrpove your saves by a chunk if you went 2pally/3pally/4pally.  Doing this does make divine might more expensive (AP wise) but I think having +12 to all saves is more important than ninja fade. 

I guess both of them work towards survivability, but I just hate not having no fail saves for EEs.

Side note:  Have you considered taking 3 druid levels in spite of the 3 fvs?  Youd fatal harrier that way which is WAY better to solo things, and +3damage and +1 to hit with rams might.  Guess tha AP cost would be a little steeper though.
  

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Reply #5 - Mar 6th, 2014 at 1:33am
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froggy wrote on Mar 5th, 2014 at 10:18pm:
I like this idea, but you could imrpove your saves by a chunk if you went 2pally/3pally/4pally.  Doing this does make divine might more expensive (AP wise) but I think having +12 to all saves is more important than ninja fade. 

I guess both of them work towards survivability, but I just hate not having no fail saves for EEs.

Side note:  Have you considered taking 3 druid levels in spite of the 3 fvs?  Youd fatal harrier that way which is WAY better to solo things, and +3damage and +1 to hit with rams might.  Guess tha AP cost would be a little steeper though.



The paladin/fvs question was a difficult one, but it came down to AP, not for ninja fade (which is mandatory), but for Power of the Forge and Improved Power Attack; the difference in saves isn't as dramatic as you think, either, since FVS gets better saves to begin with, and Nightshield adds another +1 (and blocks magic missiles, hurray!), plus improved evasion.

Ironically, my last life was a druid-splashed rogue/monk, and I didn't like it.

Another factor is SP; FVS gets a bunch, which means a lot of Reconstructs, Divine Mights, Nightshields, Divine Favors, etc.

There are good arguments for both paladin and druid (although the druid would require an alignment change on top of the +1 heart...), but this seemed like one of the optimal configurations for an EH-solo / EE-dps build.
  

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Reply #6 - Mar 6th, 2014 at 2:38am
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The build is rock solid, nothing else to add here. Wink
  

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Reply #7 - Mar 6th, 2014 at 6:18am
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I did something very similar to this, but I went with 3 levels of Wizard, just because I wanted to play with EK.  The big loss vs. FvS is of course Divine Might, but I decided at the time that there was slightly more to be gained from Wizzy, on balance.  There's a slight net loss in DPS and - I think - a slightly greater increase in defenses.

I did a female Shadar-Kai version too, for flavour; the Whirly Bird Wink

  

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Reply #8 - Mar 6th, 2014 at 8:36am
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Persiflage wrote on Mar 6th, 2014 at 6:18am:
I did something very similar to this, but I went with 3 levels of Wizard, just because I wanted to play with EK.  The big loss vs. FvS is of course Divine Might, but I decided at the time that there was slightly more to be gained from Wizzy, on balance.  There's a slight net loss in DPS and - I think - a slightly greater increase in defenses.



You get a little more AC, but that's about it, and given how gimp AC is for a long time, now.... /shrug



Persiflage wrote on Mar 6th, 2014 at 6:18am:
I did a female Shadar-Kai version too, for flavour; the Whirly Bird Wink



Oooh, I've played with this mix, too, but without the BF sla reconstruct, your self-healing isn't as good; I wound up a shadar-kai 15 wiz/3 fvs/2 rogue, but that's more PM caster with a little melee DPS on top than a true, hard DPS build.
  

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Reply #9 - Mar 6th, 2014 at 9:01am
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Feynman wrote on Mar 6th, 2014 at 8:36am:
You get a little more AC, but that's about it, and given how gimp AC is for a long time, now.... /shrug


AC isn't gimp if you can get enough of it, and the 10% from EK stacks with the 25% from Mountain Stance; I figured you were counting it at least minimally as you included it in your list.  Smiley 

Over FvS, you also get a 2% doublestrike, a free extra cleave and some minor AoE damage, immunity to magic missiles and their ilk (scratch that, forgot Nightshield) and 1d6 element damage.  And Blur, which may be handy depending on your gear setup.

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Oooh, I've played with this mix, too, but without the BF sla reconstruct, your self-healing isn't as good; I wound up a shadar-kai 15 wiz/3 fvs/2 rogue, but that's more PM caster with a little melee DPS on top than a true, hard DPS build.


You're absolutely right about the lack of self-healing, but I couldn't resist the lure of a character that never stops AoE'ing.  Only trouble is, after a quest or two I get dizzy just watching her  Grin
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Must....resist....the Siren's call...to build this....but getting weakerrrrrr.....
  

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Why did you pass on Improved Martial Arts?
  
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Tempesthawk wrote on Mar 7th, 2014 at 10:40am:
Why did you pass on Improved Martial Arts?


Looking at the other feats I'd say he made a choice between the doublestrike from PTWF and .5[x] on qstaff from IMA.

I would pesonally dump Dex completely, take Insightful Reflexes in place of Dodge and put the points into Int.
  

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Reply #13 - Mar 7th, 2014 at 1:08pm
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Mokune wrote on Mar 7th, 2014 at 12:27pm:
Tempesthawk wrote on Mar 7th, 2014 at 10:40am:
Why did you pass on Improved Martial Arts?



Looking at the other feats I'd say he made a choice between the doublestrike from PTWF and .5[x] on qstaff from IMA.

I would pesonally dump Dex completely, take Insightful Reflexes in place of Dodge and put the points into Int.



Except that Dodge is a monk feat and Insightful Reflexes is not; you could drop the Toughness and Epic Toughness feats for Deflect Arrows and Improved Martial Arts (Deflect Arrows presumably saving you a certain number of hp in most quests...), but even with Sireth, 0.5[W] is what, 2.75 damage?

Single digit % returns, most any which way you go.
  

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Feynman wrote on Mar 7th, 2014 at 1:08pm:
Feynman wrote on Mar 7th, 2014 at 1:08pm:
Looking at the other feats I'd say he made a choice between the doublestrike from PTWF and .5[x] on qstaff from IMA.

I would pesonally dump Dex completely, take Insightful Reflexes in place of Dodge and put the points into Int.



Except that Dodge is a monk feat and Insightful Reflexes is not; you could drop the Toughness and Epic Toughness feats for Deflect Arrows and Improved Martial Arts (Deflect Arrows presumably saving you a certain number of hp in most quests...), but even with Sireth, 0.5[W] is what, 2.75 damage?

Single digit % returns, most any which way you go.


So you are saying you find Epic Toughness more useful, cool.


Mokune PTWF is an ED feat Improved Martial arts is an Epic Feat they don't mix. 
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Reply #15 - Mar 7th, 2014 at 2:09pm
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Tempesthawk wrote on Mar 7th, 2014 at 1:54pm:
Mokune PTWF is an ED feat Improved Martial arts is an Epic Feat

So?


Tempesthawk wrote on Mar 7th, 2014 at 1:54pm:
they don't mix. 

How's that?
  

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Arkat wrote on Mar 7th, 2014 at 2:09pm:
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How's that?



He said he chose PTWF over IMP. Cant chose one over the other you cant take an Epic Feat in an ED Feat Slot or vice verse they don't mix.
  
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Tempesthawk wrote on Mar 7th, 2014 at 2:13pm:
He said he chose PTWF over IMP. Cant chose one over the other you cant take an Epic Feat in an ED Feat Slot or vice verse they don't mix. 

Ah, he mis-identified the feat/slot combo. Gotcha.
  

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Feynman wrote on Mar 6th, 2014 at 1:33am:
The paladin/fvs question was a difficult one, but it came down to AP, not for ninja fade (which is mandatory), but for Power of the Forge and Improved Power Attack; the difference in saves isn't as dramatic as you think, either, since FVS gets better saves to begin with, and Nightshield adds another +1 (and blocks magic missiles, hurray!), plus improved evasion.

Ironically, my last life was a druid-splashed rogue/monk, and I didn't like it.

Another factor is SP; FVS gets a bunch, which means a lot of Reconstructs, Divine Mights, Nightshields, Divine Favors, etc.

There are good arguments for both paladin and druid (although the druid would require an alignment change on top of the +1 heart...), but this seemed like one of the optimal configurations for an EH-solo / EE-dps build.


Nightshield is still stacking with resistance items?
  
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