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Reply #150 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 12:06pm
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Repair Crit SLA based on character level, subject to concentration checks.
It is still better than max caster level CSW but not 600+ hp uninterruptable bullshit without ANY feat investment.
Some repair amp gear in game.
Other stuff in racial tree would still be pretty strong.
  
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Re: Prepare for the balance nerf
Reply #151 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 12:39pm
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Wipe wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 12:06pm:
Repair Crit SLA based on character level, subject to concentration checks.
It is still better than max caster level CSW but not 600+ hp uninterruptable bullshit without ANY feat investment.
Some repair amp gear in game.
Other stuff in racial tree would still be pretty strong.


True BF have other strong items in the racial tree specifically for melee which makes the recon SLA a real choice and for the non-casters it is the most necessary.

That is without mentioning the fact that many folks bought the class specifically because it make their toons more self sufficient ... changing that breaks the reason for the purchase.

Also, a 600 point repair DOES require some investment at least in gear and skill points not to mention the mana needed to cast it (on a melee) can be an issue. All of which can be worked around but it requires work. Not unlike those getting 500 HP's out of a cocoon.
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Reply #152 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 12:43pm
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Yellowsnow wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 11:44am:
Why would anyone advocate to nerf bladeforge recon. I see some of the whiners and flavor fanbois white knighting on the main forum to kill bladeforge....

I see no reason for it to be nerfed, but of course turdbine will bait and switch on us again to satisfy the butt-hurt complainers.


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Reply #153 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 1:15pm
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Wipe wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 12:06pm:
Repair Crit SLA based on character level, subject to concentration checks.
It is still better than max caster level CSW but not 600+ hp uninterruptable bullshit without ANY feat investment.
Some repair amp gear in game.
Other stuff in racial tree would still be pretty strong.


600HP reconstruct does need some investment I think you'll find.

In the absence of this, who is going to heal these BF melee? - nothing else in the tree (whilst it may
look superficially nice) is going to make up for the absence of healing amp - remember BF are 10% worse
than WF in this regard.  Are casters going to be healers? yea, I thought not...

There's a reason you don't see many WF melee.  Nerfing BF reconstruct will result in the same.
  
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Reply #154 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 1:53pm
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Can they balance nerf everything to look as ugly as Purple Dragon Knights?
  
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Reply #155 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 3:34pm
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DoRayEgon wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 1:53pm:
Can they balance nerf everything to look as ugly as Purple Dragon Knights?


Male helfs already taken care of.
  
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Reply #156 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 3:47pm
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Yellowsnow wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 11:44am:
Why would anyone advocate to nerf bladeforge recon. I see some of the whiners and flavor fanbois white knighting on the main forum to kill bladeforge....

I see no reason for it to be nerfed, but of course turdbine will bait and switch on us again to satisfy the butt-hurt complainers.

Don't you think something is off when 90% of good players are bladeforged?  Heck, even monkchers, which take penalty to Dex and Wis are going bladeforged. 

But the way I see it, turbine should look to buffing other iconics to roughly the same level instead of nerfing, since apparently DDO players can't handle nerfs.  All iconics should get some sort of reliable self-healing and some innate defensive mechanism on the same level as bladeforged fortification (e.g., extra PRR on PDK, extra dodge/dodge cap on shadar kai).
  
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Reply #157 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 3:52pm
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I know (wildly speculate) that the will "rebalance Bladeforged's Reconstruct with Repair Crit for an awesome whooping 50ish HP-regain. After everyone bought one.


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Reply #158 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 3:55pm
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NOTSunnyshadow wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 6:58am:
The recon SLA is the only reason folks play BF. Without that, BFs are nothing but shiny warforged.


BFs start at lvl 15, WFs do not. Also, BFs don't have racial -2 to cha while WFs do.
  
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Reply #159 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 5:17pm
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Guru-Meditation wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 3:52pm:
I know (wildly speculate) that the will "rebalance Bladeforged's Reconstruct with Repair Crit for an awesome whooping 50ish HP-regain. After everyone bought one.


It's the obvious nerf.
  

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Reply #160 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 5:34pm
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Booooga wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 3:55pm:
BFs start at lvl 15, WFs do not. Also, BFs don't have racial -2 to cha while WFs do.


I hardly think starting at L15 is a compelling reason to choose BF.  The post you quote is correct - the
only compelling thing is Reconstruct because self-healing is king and the synergy with traditional
WF resistances works.  Without it they are WF with -10% healing amp - why would you play one as a
melee character for anything other than flavour? Because you get 20PRR for being hit 20 times? Please...
  
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Reply #161 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 5:41pm
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Daze wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 12:39pm:
Also, a 600 point repair DOES require some investment at least in gear and skill points not to mention the mana needed to cast it (on a melee) can be an issue. All of which can be worked around but it requires work. Not unlike those getting 500 HP's out of a cocoon.

Getting cocoon to tick on you for 500 takes incredible hamp 30/30/20/15/10, devotion 300 , a twist, and decent heal lore.

Recon sla takes repair power under 200, 15 repair amp, saves a twist. It is very little in terms of work needed to get to that.

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Re: Prepare for the balance nerf
Reply #162 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 5:48pm
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AngryKobold wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 3:34pm:
DoRayEgon wrote Today at 1:53pm:
Can they balance nerf everything to look as ugly as Purple Dragon Knights?


Male helfs already taken care of.


Female half elves are awful, too.  The best one I've come up with so far looks like a 14 year old boy in drag.
  
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Reply #163 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 6:20pm
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knockcocker wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 5:34pm:
I hardly think starting at L15 is a compelling reason to choose BF.  The post you quote is correct - the
only compelling thing is Reconstruct because self-healing is king and the synergy with traditional
WF resistances works.  Without it they are WF with -10% healing amp - why would you play one as a
melee character for anything other than flavour? Because you get 20PRR for being hit 20 times? Please...


If you played for some years, starting at lvl 15 is good enough reason to play BF. Besides, why would I play melee?
  
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Reply #164 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 6:21pm
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Half Elf Creeper wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 5:48pm:
Female half elves are awful, too.  The best one I've come up with so far looks like a 14 year old boy in drag.


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Reply #165 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 6:46pm
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Half Elf Creeper wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 5:48pm:
Female half elves are awful, too.  The best one I've come up with so far looks like a 14 year old boy in drag.


how is that a bad thing?  why do you think people even go to Thailand in the first place?  it sure ain't for the bazillion cats and roaches running around Bangkok.
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Re: Prepare for the balance nerf
Reply #166 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 6:59pm
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THE compelling reason to play BF is the Reconstruct SLA. It's why I converted 3 of my 4 WF toons to BF and why I chose to make my Sorc a BF. Sure I coulda got Reconstruct spell as a WF Sorc but it freed up a spell slot which I can now put to better use. My one remaining WF is an Artificer. The Reconstruct spell is less of a burden on spell slots for an Arti than it is for a Sorc.
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Reply #167 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 10:14pm
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I think the recon SLA is balanced enough.......it does take some investment for it to work properly.

And you know, I did post a list of nerfs a while back for game balance, but atm I don't know why I even bothered (okay it was 50% troll because I knew people would react badly to FotM builds getting nerfed :3 ).....I really don't care how people play any more, it's all the same.

In the end this isn't a PvP game, it's PvE, so really balancing characters against each other shouldn't be mass nerfs, it should be buffing weak classes. Making monkchers worse won't make bards any better (although I personally find bards fun).
  

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Reply #168 - Apr 4th, 2014 at 10:42pm
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kierg10 wrote on Apr 4th, 2014 at 10:14pm:
In the end this isn't a PvP game, it's PvE, so really balancing characters against each other shouldn't be mass nerfs, it should be buffing weak classes. Making monkchers worse won't make bards any better (although I personally find bards fun).


100% agree.  Why piss off valuable resources.. erm, players, by reducing the effectiveness of characters that your customers have put time and money into for any reason?  Is reconstruct SLA not working as intended?  Does a Monkcher build rely on an exploit to work?  (FotW working w/ ranged is in patch notes as WAI.)

When your customers devote time and energy to learn to play your game as effectively as possible, the correct response is encouragement.  Where's the Monkcher T-Shirt?  Embrace the Shiradi Spammer and put something Shiradi Spammer centric on sale in the store w/ a clever advert in the launcher.

Why not greatly increase the power of bards, barbs, and pallys with the intent to de-throne the current FotM builds, sell more stuff in the store related to people transitioning to the new hot builds, and then cap it off with an event poking fun at the suddenly relevant paladin class?

TLDR; Turbine hates money more than their players.


  
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Reply #169 - Apr 5th, 2014 at 3:14am
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Yes. You two people whose screen names begin with "k" make incredibly reasonable points.

My only regret now is that my screen name doesn't begin with "k."

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Reply #170 - Apr 5th, 2014 at 3:46am
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I remember that they originally said the reconstruct would only work for pure pally. *shudders*
  
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Reply #171 - Apr 5th, 2014 at 4:02am
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I have played a few bladeforged lives and yes recon sla is nice and frankly not balanced. But honestly I dont give a fuck.

They are not kobolds...


Also whoever is mentioning that Joy should be nerfed, go ahead - I forget to use it all the time. In the current environment Joy is almost useless as rare as it is. Having the WHOLE room with adrenaline on EE actually does hurt. Stuff doesnt die that fast from Joy atm.

I was in an EE Fire on Thunderpeaks and our raid leader got off a joy and wiped us from too much crap running around with adrenaline - was kind of hilarious.

My issue is most people who cry nerf, have not played even 50% of the builds that do exist - they wouldnt know a good build or a bad build if it raped them in the ass.


PS. I am not playing a BF right now, too much effort to get rid of the pal level.
  
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Reply #172 - Apr 5th, 2014 at 4:07am
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AngryKobold wrote on Apr 5th, 2014 at 4:02am:
My issue is most people who cry nerf, have not played even 50% of the builds that do exist - they wouldnt know a good build or a bad build if it raped them in the ass.



No one could play 50% of the builds that could exist...

I've played a lot though, and I think the game would be better off with some nerfs and monster re-adjustments.
  

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Reply #173 - Apr 5th, 2014 at 5:35am
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With the exception of a few quests this game is too easy, and i mean EE content.
Nerfs suck, the power is addictive, i'm always extremelly bored with a toon after it gets a nerf, but i do think the game needs "the balance".
I'll just have to try and give my input on the forums, and wait to see what they come out with.
  

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Reply #174 - Apr 5th, 2014 at 8:44am
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They will have difficulty balancing a game they do not play.  Ideally they would listen to the players, but with so much bad info and suggestions being thrown around it's probably fruitless.
  
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