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Eladiun Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Two Time Loser Posts: 8398 Location: Rhode Island, USA Joined: Jun 17^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Bannhammer follow up Reply #25 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 4:33pm	Print Post
	Quote: ESO looks promising! Follow the Duping.

	Nevynn wrote on Nov 18^th, 2010 at 11:38pm: Anybody coming to this board expecting anything more sophisticated than a dick joke had better get used to disappointment. Calvet wrote on Oct 20^th, 2011 at 12:18pm: I just got that impression after you spent 13 pages calling out eladiun for being an interwebs bully when anyone who's been posting on here already knew that.� I mean, he's proud of it and hardly tries to hide that at all. Quote: Eladiun is an awful person
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ILoveExploits Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Exploits! Posts: 2157 Location: piking @ work Joined: Oct 31^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: Bannhammer follow up Reply #26 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 5:09pm	Print Post
	eighnuss wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 4:02pm: how much prior I was VIP for 2 years, dropped it after the first Maban! I spent $50 and that's it.

	Dear players, The D&D rules you were familiar with were too simple to understand, so we're continuing our move away from them to needlessly confusing subsystems that will make your play experience less fun and invalidate old builds and loot. We hope you have fun working out what the fuck MRR, PRR, MP, SP, RP, CL, MCL and all the other bullshit we made up whilst drunk means. Love, People who don't know how to fix their own mistakes cleanly
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ILoveExploits Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Exploits! Posts: 2157 Location: piking @ work Joined: Oct 31^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: Bannhammer follow up Reply #27 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 5:10pm	Print Post
	Bones wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 4:15pm: You ain't my master!... Heh, I would have done more, bbbuuuuutttttttttt� Thank you, Mr."Maintenance" I should have stayed up all night but i'm old.

	Dear players, The D&D rules you were familiar with were too simple to understand, so we're continuing our move away from them to needlessly confusing subsystems that will make your play experience less fun and invalidate old builds and loot. We hope you have fun working out what the fuck MRR, PRR, MP, SP, RP, CL, MCL and all the other bullshit we made up whilst drunk means. Love, People who don't know how to fix their own mistakes cleanly
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Vic Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 355 Joined: Oct 19^th, 2013	Re: Bannhammer follow up Reply #28 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 5:36pm	Print Post
	Athanor wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 3:26pm: Sorry but I don't agree. If the game have bugs we have to live with it until Turbine fixed it, same for exploits. If they did bad software isn't my problem. I feel sad for the dude that got banned and erased his inventory, what win Turbine with this? absolute nothing, in fact, Turbine is loosing money with that. So the best police to prevent exploits is fixing them, not banning the people who found the bug Bah, I knew that eventually, someone will go the butthurt way on my post :-D Ok, I will say the idea behind my post as simply as I can: We all agreed to EULA. Thus, we all know that if we exploit AND get caught, there will be consequences. They may range from 3 days vacation to permaban. Somwhere between that is inventory cleanup of some degree. I have absolutely nothing against exploiting at all. Quite the opposite actually. But I am fully prepared to take the consequences if I exploit and get caught. If you exploit, you KNOW you are breaking the rules you agreed to. So if you get punished, take it as man and not as a little bitch that screams - its all their fault!!! They should make 100% perfect and flawless game! Its on them! Its possible to make 100% perfect and flawless game - just look at ESO!


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mattyboy Ex Member	Re: Bannhammer follow up Reply #29 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 5:40pm	Print Post
	Vic wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 5:36pm: Bah, I knew that eventually, someone will go the butthurt way on my post :-D Well it took 16 posts before it happened, so there is that......


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Vic Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 355 Joined: Oct 19^th, 2013	Re: Bannhammer follow up Reply #30 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 5:42pm	Print Post
	Quote: Well it took 16 posts before it happened, so there is that...... Right? It surprised me! That said, if your friend needs help, i can help out on Cannith. Not sure that is of any use, but I can do that..
	« Last Edit: Apr 24^th, 2014 at 5:42pm by Vic »

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ghostbane Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 82 Location: In your mom Joined: Nov 8^th, 2013 Gender:	Re: Bannhammer follow up Reply #31 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 5:44pm	Print Post
	eighnuss wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 3:23pm: i can guarantee 2 things people who exploit have spent money on ddo people who exploit are not satisfied with the product that is ddo no one wants to jump through the hurdles you throw at the players. making goals absurd to reach does not create player retention. it creates exploiters. the entire mantra of ddo is "make anything worth having cost money" and while that might seem profitable in the short term, its gonna piss people� off. Some will leave and some will cheat. Imagine if items weren't hard to acquire, and getting xp wasnt off destiny shitfests for days. no one would need to grind exploited xp, no one would want to waste time duping items. people would spend time playing with others for fun, instead of endlessly grinding their own unreachable goals. you people dont appreciate the shit your players put up just to play a dungeons and dragons-esque game. either way this game is long over due for death so please continue to ban people who pay for and care about the game True story. I spend a fair amount on the game already but I spent MUCH MORE in the store than I would have if I had not been able to recycle as much.


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mattyboy Ex Member	Re: Bannhammer follow up Reply #32 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 5:44pm	Print Post
	What a fine bunch of big hearted bastards the Vault produces! lots of offers to help.
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Vic Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 355 Joined: Oct 19^th, 2013	Re: Bannhammer follow up Reply #33 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 5:47pm	Print Post
	Quote: What a fine bunch of big hearted bastards the Vault produces! lots of offers to help. Hey, i know that if I get caught I get hit. But I hope that if I get hit, I will get some help. And as such, it has to work bothways.


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Myth Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 118 Joined: Nov 21^st, 2013	Re: Bannhammer follow up Reply #34 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 6:07pm	Print Post
	I'd help too if it's someone I know. Its just a game and why not help out your fellow gamers
	« Last Edit: Apr 24^th, 2014 at 6:07pm by Myth »

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GooFY Abbot Raider Offline Just one of those days... Posts: 771 Location: Washington State Joined: Dec 12^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Bannhammer follow up Reply #35 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 6:08pm	Print Post
	Luxgolg wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 2:57pm: Horny bear Hmmm... dunno if "attack" is the right word.� I think that bear just wanted some sweet, sweet lovin'.�


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DropBear Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Don't forget to look up.... Posts: 4374 Location: Landdownunder Joined: Oct 11^th, 2013	Re: Bannhammer follow up Reply #36 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 6:17pm	Print Post
	Vic wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 5:36pm: Bah, I knew that eventually, someone will go the butthurt way on my post :-D Ok, I will say the idea behind my post as simply as I can: We all agreed to EULA. Thus, we all know that if we exploit AND get caught, there will be consequences. They may range from 3 days vacation to permaban. Somwhere between that is inventory cleanup of some degree. I have absolutely nothing against exploiting at all. Quite the opposite actually. But I am fully prepared to take the consequences if I exploit and get caught. If you exploit, you KNOW you are breaking the rules you agreed to. So if you get punished, take it as man and not as a little bitch that screams - its all their fault!!! They should make 100% perfect and flawless game! Its on them! Its possible to make 100% perfect and flawless game - just look at ESO! I agree with Vic. You do the crime, you do the time. I accept that for my actions. You can argue over the severity of the punishment and what it achieves, but there must be some consequence to exploiting (deterrent) otherwise it would become mainstream and seriously FUBAR the game. Regarding the inventory cleaning - to be fair, what can they do? Spent 6 weeks going through every toon, every bag, every cache validating against store purchases and anything else? They can't and won't. Same with the question on stone duping -I don't think they can undo levelling and XP. They will just delete the toon. Turbine will take the easy way out and what can you the exploiter argue? Is it right, prob not, but if your role was to enforce, what would would you do with the growing list in front of you?

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Shadehater Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Smite Stupid! Posts: 2174 Joined: May 6^th, 2012	Re: Bannhammer follow up Reply #37 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 6:19pm	Print Post
	Quote: What a fine bunch of big hearted bastards the Vault produces! lots of offers to help. Says the guy that actively turns in exploiters.


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Lootseller Korthos Resident Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 48 Joined: Dec 5^th, 2013	Re: Bannhammer follow up Reply #38 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 6:34pm	Print Post
	Shadehater wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 6:19pm: Says the guy that actively turns in exploiters. You're the third guy who's either said this or warned me directly. I am now very wary.


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mattyboy Ex Member	Re: Bannhammer follow up Reply #39 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 6:40pm	Print Post
	Shadehater wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 6:19pm: Says the guy that actively turns in exploiters. Yeah sure, girly keep trying to sell that.


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crazytiger Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 118 Joined: Apr 10^th, 2014	Re: Bannhammer follow up Reply #40 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 7:58pm	Print Post
	I just came back to the game about a month ago and I have to see I would have left already if not for the recent exploits they make the game more fun


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Revaulting Completionist (i.t.p.) Offline Posts: 10143 Location: Not in my pants Joined: Apr 3^rd, 2014 Gender:	Re: Bannhammer follow up Reply #41 - Apr 24^th, 2014 at 10:24pm	Print Post
	eighnuss wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 3:23pm: Imagine if items weren't hard to acquire, and getting xp wasnt off destiny shitfests for days. no one would need to grind exploited xp, no one would want to waste time duping items. people would spend time playing with others for fun, instead of endlessly grinding their own unreachable goals. The reality of MMOs is they paid keen attention to Pavlov's Dog. We respond to conditioning. It's not entirely doom and gloom. There are actual reward chemicals going off in our brains for each ing. we harvest. It's just ... science has taught Turbine and Blizzard and whoever made Farmville exactly how to pwn our asses. And if they don't ... they go out of business.

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AtomicMew Horoluth Raider Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 2073 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2011	Re: Bannhammer follow up Reply #42 - Apr 25^th, 2014 at 1:31am	Print Post
	Vic wrote on Apr 24^th, 2014 at 5:36pm: Bah, I knew that eventually, someone will go the butthurt way on my post :-D Ok, I will say the idea behind my post as simply as I can: We all agreed to EULA. Thus, we all know that if we exploit AND get caught, there will be consequences. They may range from 3 days vacation to permaban. Somwhere between that is inventory cleanup of some degree. I have absolutely nothing against exploiting at all. Quite the opposite actually. But I am fully prepared to take the consequences if I exploit and get caught. If you exploit, you KNOW you are breaking the rules you agreed to. So if you get punished, take it as man and not as a little bitch that screams - its all their fault!!! They should make 100% perfect and flawless game! Its on them! Its possible to make 100% perfect and flawless game - just look at ESO! Me clicking on a button is just that and I categorically reject any implication of contract. In fact, if you want to get technical, most programs would be easy to hack to bypass the agree button.


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crazytiger Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 118 Joined: Apr 10^th, 2014	Re: Bannhammer follow up Reply #43 - Apr 25^th, 2014 at 3:19am	Print Post
	the reason why people exploit is because ddo doesnt give store items a chance to drop in quests etc at a reasonable rate, as wel as the crazy grindyness of items. Greensteel should be lowered mats by now as its out of date and not many people run shroud anymore but nope still the same amount which makes this difficult for new players. then we have new thunerforged which has a rediculous amount of grind to get 3rd tier for just 1 weapon, what if you dual wield? thats about 80 raids you have to run which is absurd. Thats just for one character!


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DropBear Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Don't forget to look up.... Posts: 4374 Location: Landdownunder Joined: Oct 11^th, 2013	Re: Bannhammer follow up Reply #44 - Apr 25^th, 2014 at 3:48am	Print Post
	AtomicMew wrote on Apr 25^th, 2014 at 1:31am: Me clicking on a button is just that and I categorically reject any implication of contract.� In fact, if you want to get technical, most programs would be easy to hack to bypass the agree button. The thing is Atomic - not many do read the EULA. I don't for MMO's. Couldn't care less what it says, unless it relates to releasing my personal details for marketing purposes to other orgns. The only purpose the EULA serves is a gateway to the game, that protects Turbine's rights. If you're playing the game, then you are assumed to have accepted the EULA, whether you bypassed the accept button or not. I have seen many pointless legal arguments about the enforceability of the EULA and players rights. The default starting position should be you have no rights if Turbine decide that don't want you to play. To challenge that, you need to take on WB in court - over a game? C'mon. So whatever they put in the EULA is just legal fluff to cover their bases - it doesn't give us the player any rights in practice. Any talks of contracts and contractual obligations is just hot air. I don't see the relevance of that discussion. Saying "I don't have to respect the game's rules because I refuse to acknowledge the EULA" is pointless? Turbined says "Banned!" what's your next move? They either permit you to play the game or not. You have some right to challenge decisions for sure. But if they Permaban you, it's time to start again on another account or find another MMO.

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DropBear Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Don't forget to look up.... Posts: 4374 Location: Landdownunder Joined: Oct 11^th, 2013	Re: Bannhammer follow up Reply #45 - Apr 25^th, 2014 at 3:58am	Print Post
	crazytiger wrote on Apr 25^th, 2014 at 3:19am: the reason why people exploit is because ddo doesnt give store items a chance to drop in quests etc at a reasonable rate, as wel as the crazy grindyness of items.� Greensteel should be lowered mats by now as its out of date and not many people run shroud anymore but nope still the same amount which makes this difficult for new players.� then we have new thunerforged which has a rediculous amount of grind to get 3rd tier for just 1 weapon, what if you dual wield? thats about 80 raids you have to run which is absurd.� Thats just for one character! Crazy - you're right in that they have the calibration of the grind wrong. Every game has grind - it's a psychological hook they use to keep you paying and playing (hopefully). But I agree, Shroud is now past history and should be relaxed somewhat.� In it's heyday, it was successful because it was calibrated well. Now there are fewer shrouds and fewer people interested - so the drop rates should be tweaked. Thunder forged they have just gotten wrong.� Their idea was to make the new endgame last for a long time. But as you point out, the phlogiston drop rates was cocked up, and the fixed version isn't much better. A classic case of Turbine not listening properly. They need to string out the U21 content as much as possible until they can release more content.� But rather than a carrot on the end of a stick, they put the carrot top on the end of a 200ft crane boom.� So far away that most just say "fuck it" or cheat. I have most of the ingredients except the phlogistons and I can't be bothered even trying for a T3.� The raids aren't exactly fun (for me) after the first few times. But I don't mind the Thunderholme area and HH quests for some repeatability. The horse has already bolted for Turbine - most of the mats have been duped to buggery - the only thing holding back a flood of T3 items will be the phlogistons - so don't expect them to relax the drop rate any time soon.�
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Proudexploiter Waterworks Kobold Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 125 Joined: Oct 8^th, 2013	Re: Bannhammer follow up Reply #46 - Apr 25^th, 2014 at 4:01am	Print Post
	I exploit because it makes the game more fun for me. The best exploit (imo) was duping the bag items. Now i can make any item I wouldnt make before just to try it. I never used the xp exploit, because I havent seen the reason to do it. I play mainly one char, I tr often and play different builds. With the change of xp curve, I dont feel the game grindy as it used tobe. But honestly to say, I came to this point after a few years of plasing it.
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Quak Dragon Raider Offline Posts: 298 Joined: Sep 24^th, 2013	Re: Bannhammer follow up Reply #47 - Apr 25^th, 2014 at 4:19am	Print Post
	Seems they banned a bunch of ppl that used the saga exploit^^ wonder what will happen to those? toon back to 1st life, level 1, human? xD it's pretty sad^^

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m4lacka Horoluth Raider Offline Coitus ergo sum. Posts: 2494 Joined: Mar 19^th, 2014	Re: Bannhammer follow up Reply #48 - Apr 25^th, 2014 at 4:21am	Print Post
	Quote: for me it is very hard not to exploit when I know an exploit. It is like a sickness. Can I sue Turbine for discrimination against people with a disability? Anyway...i don�t even have time to exploit....� � Damn! You always make focking good points!

	Vaultaccount wrote on Aug 29^th, 2016 at 7:06pm: The most broken epic PL in the game is the ridiculous AC buff from martial PLs. But when you include all the inherent benefits from reincarnation, the thing is above the roof. The benefit from TR was supposed to be minimal, but now it is game breaking. start a new character and you will feel, you will get raped in heroics. Personally I think lower heroics on new characters are harder than Legendary Elite content on a character with good gear and has all destinies farmed. Arkat wrote on Apr 2^nd, 2014 at 4:14pm: And someone in another thread called ME delusional recently! Wow. Have you EVER gone to Law School Feyn? Have you EVER been asked by a United States Senator who is now the Vice President of the United States to write a paper just for him on a particular topic of Constitutional Law for his use as a Senator? Have you ever been asked to help a very notable Harvard PhD turned Constitutional scholar with his very-well received book on Legal Philosophy and Constitutional Revolutions? Have you ever been offered a job as a Deputy Attorney General BEFORE you even graduated Law School? No? Then STFU you fucking amateur. Meat-Head wrote on Jul 29^th, 2015 at 12:03am: Thx. I was semi-waiting because windows 10 will be here soon. but, the crashing is making me want to punch old people. IMARANGER wrote on Sep 8^th, 2014 at 5:40pm: Pretty sure that the fact that a service can be hacked doesn't make it the "community chest".
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Vic Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 355 Joined: Oct 19^th, 2013	Re: Bannhammer follow up Reply #49 - Apr 25^th, 2014 at 5:02am	Print Post
	AtomicMew wrote on Apr 25^th, 2014 at 1:31am: Me clicking on a button is just that and I categorically reject any implication of contract.� In fact, if you want to get technical, most programs would be easy to hack to bypass the agree button. 1. I am pretty damn sure that you havent bypassed the agree button. 2. Even if you somehow did, as Drop said, turbine expects that you did not. You can take it to the court /lol/ and loose miserably there with Warner Bros. 3. I dont agree with GE Money bank that I have to pay my loan to them. I actually CATEGORICALLY reject any implications of having a contract with them by agreeing to their condicions! Lets see how that one will work out for me :-D Or well, lets not. DDO is the same deal - it just doesnt matter that much, since as long as you dont data mine them, the only penalization they can force upon you is in game and thus not affecting your real life. 4. Stop being a little butthurt bitch. You KNOW that exploiting is punishable, if caught. So either dont exploit and be safe, or exploit, profit and hope that you dont get hit. But when you do, take it as a man, not as a crying bitch that will cry its not their fault. It is.
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