Rubbinns wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 10:22pm:



Kinda.

I was wondering if being unarmed would give the SWF bonus to unarmed attacks as, technically, your offhand is unarmed. And, also, would the same SWF feats apply to a TWF shape-shifted druid.

Munkenmo wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 10:50pm:



That, too. But you love monks too much.

NOTSunnyshadow wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 10:58pm:


Not really, they're just OP so it makes a lot of sense to build with them.

Hmm i wonder, how a dex based build would do, i kinda hate reflex a druid wolf gets, but it might kill the point to get enourmos crits while earth /str based.
I just cant seem to find a way for this not to get chunked by every reflex based spell in higher ee content.
From little experience i had while testing druids in ee in wolf form, only solution i saw is dex based.
I mean you can survive and all, but its a bit annoying how you need to be aware of aoe spells compared to other high saves builds.
Fort is not a issue, dreadnought fixes that.

Personaly i dont like group based builds, but more like solo/duo builds that can handle scaling well in case someone asks for random invite so the reflex being low is a bit annoying to me.
If you droped oc, you could go for example full time halfling, maybe get mark (works in wolf?), gain more feats, could also swap to 6 monk and get shadow fade back

Hmm how does bestial nature work?
Tho 63 seems fine, drop the water stance, add haste and maybe a twist or 2, could work for most content
Cant play atm, still 3 days ban so sry for stupid questions.
Just trying to find a way to make it actualy playable in ee-s

If saves are really a bother to you :

An 11druid/6fighter/2monk would gain access to cast-able fireshield, loss of one feat if you still pick up master of forms though. Personally I'd rather have shadowfade, but fireshield does really reduce the need for reflex saves.

Another option is going with a 9/9/2 and accepting fails for half damage instead. You only lose 1 fighter feat.

For physical traps, I find that between PRR and Hide of the crocodile enhancment & stoneskin I'm pretty well covered there when I need to be.

fwiw: Parrying and Bestial Nature don't stack, they're both insight bonuses.

Munkenmo wrote on May 13^th, 2014 at 12:05am:


There's no reason to go 10 druid. I'd rather stick with 9.

Like a thrower build, the swf + twf wolf form should be focused on max hits per second. It already attacks fast, imagine how much dps it would put out at near constant 100% doublestrike?

On a monk, we would lose so much doublestrike. No draconic reinvigoration orb in offhand to constantly regenerate druid doublestrike boost and also haste boost. No access to lightning mace. Without ranger, no access to killer, and no access to 10% more offhand. That's a total of 65 % doublestrike. One of the negatives of monk is inability to wield offhand while swfing.

So earth form, and stunning fist versus 65 % doublestrike and manyshot. A wolf druid is usually in blitz so I was trying to think synergy. Fatal harrier + killer. Manyshot to start of blitz easier in pugs. What I really, really miss is stunning fist and no mercy.

18 + 20 + 9 + 15 + 30 + 8 = 100% doublestrike.

8 % doublestrike from other easy to get sources if you really want.


Since we attack so fast we get much more out of doublestrike. No way earth stance beats out more procs of sneak attack, mortal fear, etc.

I've considered 9 druid 6 ranger 5 monk and 9 druid 6 monk 5 ranger (I like this one atm), just so I can get stunning fist. It will be less sustainable dps though. No way to keep up doublstrike and haste boost. (Unless I use shuriken cheese )

Lelouch I did the ap. You can fit in. I would have to give up no mercy, but things already die quickly when stunned and its very expensive. Legendary dreadnaught autocaps your dodge. The points you bring up is why I struggle dropping stunning fist, which is why I compromised at 9/6/5. Gain stunning fist, shadow dodge, wind stance in place of lightning mace(they don't stack). I really dislike reduced speed from earth stance on a light monk splash. Also inability to take master of forms leave me with adept form in wind.

Cetus build is overdone. Don't get me started on his ability to play sorcs...

I planned to use a mortal fear shuriken and also a draconic reinvigoration shuriken. This way I don't have to remake thunder forge weapons when the inevitable nerf hits wolf form. Use mortal fear until boosts run out then switch to drac reinvig.

Also, I prefer human to halfling. Extra feat which is important. Damage boost which stacks with other boosts. With draconic reinvigoration and you can have a lot of haste, damage, doublestrike boosts .


Consider making your wolf weapon a shuriken, that way you still attack in wolf form but keep the thunder forge for easy conversion to star-fucker.

I was told you still attack regularly wielding a shuriken in wolf form. I will need to check later before I build.

Well i did plan to make a shuri, but when you try to do it fair way and only get 4 freaking pholgs in 12 runs you get realy discouraged (think 11 were hard 1 normal, cant do elite in cannith beside with 2-3 guilds maybe, since our player base is realy realy bad).
Esp when you are in cetus and blitzing in pugs full of tards that either use fury slaying arrows on mobs you prep to start blitz, or when you are forced to blitz for 40 minutes while they get real philatr.
As im in eu, i usualy miss raids from good guilds, the feeling i get when i wake up and see a tell, hey mate wyrn eh?
I get so pissed at myself for sleeping.
But i cant stay til 5 am awake to join raids, just doesnt work out with work/reallife.
In all honesty, only 3 times i realy realy wanted to dupe stuff was for coh/cov and for thforged mats.

Dunno human seems ok, you get hm lets see cure critical and cure ser with a 9 druid splash, with the racial amp it might be enough for selfheal.
I push the halfling idea only because im scared from low reflex, and the cores and being dex based would fix that

Dont get me started on abbot runs on cannith lol.
So lucky friend is a pro, so he dualboxed googs, i usualy did roids/ice- sometimes roids but super super rarely so i could get all my gear from there.
Think i would think about suicide several times before getting to 20 abbot runs while puging on cannith.
Still remember a run a guidlie did with silver legion, took em like 6 hours or so, they constantly refused to let him into googles since they "know it".
Was realy funny to read in guild chat how much he raged, why didnt he give up? Well we persuaded him to continue and i thin it was his 20th or so
/i sidetracked a bit

When i started playing, back in 2009 or 10 forgot date, i started as a ki bar user.
So doubt i would drop stuning myself heh.
A 6 sec cd quite easy to make ee viable stun, yes pls.