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Sham Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Random Effects on Named Loot! - No one ever Posts: 685 Location: Siberia Joined: May 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Idea, need smart/nonlazy people- bout shurikens Reply #50 - May 13^th, 2014 at 6:23pm	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on May 13^th, 2014 at 3:54pm: No reason to go 7th monk or 5th fighter either, druid made the most sense for longer / better spells. Higher bab. It's miniscule I know, but so is longer spells. Also I'm not doing fighter monk and 6ranger both get the same 10% off hand procs btw, there's 10% offhand procs in shintao tree. I know already, I took both. Goal is 100% offhand Lelouch summed it up though, ranger is much less defensive than the monk splash which is why I'll stick with monk for now. Ranger doesn't exclude monk, just look at my current plan 9 druid 6 monk 5 ranger I've no idea why you're mentioning wind stance in place of lightning mace.� Nobody is running wind over earth in EE. I already noted I couldn't fit in master of forms which is when earth stance gets the crit multipler, therefore wind stance is the best option for me. I run in earth on other type of toons. Even if I could fit it in, I would much rather the doublestrike and run speed, especially on a toon that attacks so much and so quickly. You have to heal less with prr in earth but then you get to mobs quicker and cover more ground in wind so that's a null point. Please do the math. I just went off the top of my head so I could be horribly wrong. The increased attack speed/procs of wolf + swf would put 5 percent doublestrike ahead, not to mention the current cleave and doublestrike bug which will put it solidly ahead. You can with flasks, don't see why shuriken would be different.� Doesn't work with bows though. I knew this hence my plan to make shurikens in case of wolf nerf. I wanted to make sure as well as check later if swf works which it should if it's not bugged
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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4339 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Idea, need smart/nonlazy people- bout shurikens Reply #51 - May 13^th, 2014 at 6:49pm	Print Post
	Bab is the same as 10th druid increases over the next whole number. Im downloading lam as I want to test some of these builds for myself, mostly to see if twf and swf work together, ill confirm shurikens when I can. And thought you were going for ranger/fighter split, apologies I missed your plans. It might well be worth picking up master of forms over the third double strike feat, it allows lightning mace in place of wind stance and gets some suvivability + the crit multi, less max dps but the survivability should make up for it.
	« Last Edit: May 13^th, 2014 at 6:58pm by Munkenmo »
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TractorsareEpic Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 381 Joined: Apr 26^th, 2013	Re: Idea, need smart/nonlazy people- bout shurikens Reply #52 - May 13^th, 2014 at 6:54pm	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on May 13^th, 2014 at 6:49pm: Bab is the same as 10th druid increases over the next whole number. Im downloading lam as I want to test some of these builds for myself, mostly to see if twf and swf work together, ill confirm shurikens when I can. And thought you were going for ranger/fighter split, apologies I missed your plans. Just 2 be sure your aware LAMA is closed/down until this Thursday: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/441852-Update-22-Feedback-Cycle-Overvi... I think you know though so. Cheers! ! ! !


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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Idea, need smart/nonlazy people- bout shurikens Reply #53 - May 13^th, 2014 at 7:48pm	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on May 13^th, 2014 at 6:49pm: ill confirm shurikens when I can. . It works. I use this and an offhand weapon sometimes when i get smoked or randomly the procs get wiped. Just happens with ml 16 evestar throwers often enough.

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Sham Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Random Effects on Named Loot! - No one ever Posts: 685 Location: Siberia Joined: May 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Idea, need smart/nonlazy people- bout shurikens Reply #54 - May 13^th, 2014 at 8:15pm	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on May 13^th, 2014 at 6:49pm: Bab is the same as 10th druid increases over the next whole number. Im downloading lam as I want to test some of these builds for myself, mostly to see if twf and swf work together, ill confirm shurikens when I can. And thought you were going for ranger/fighter split, apologies I missed your plans. It might well be worth picking up master of forms over the third double strike feat, it allows lightning mace in place of wind stance and gets some suvivability + the crit multi, less max dps but the survivability should make up for it. Thks for the heads up on bab. Can't use lightning mace though on a monk splash. None of the weapons let you remain centered except quarterstaff which defeats the purpose of swf. Unless your telling me the description isn't right? So the druid/6 monk/ranger splash I was planning does have some survival drawback to ur druid/monk/fighter. It would be impossible to fit in empowered healing. I have enough sovereign healing pots and silver flame pots for emergency though.


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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4339 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Idea, need smart/nonlazy people- bout shurikens Reply #55 - May 13^th, 2014 at 8:43pm	Print Post
	Sham wrote on May 13^th, 2014 at 8:15pm: Can't use lightning mace though on a monk splash. None of the weapons let you remain centered except quarterstaff which defeats the purpose of swf. Unless your telling me the description isn't right? Goddamit >< I never really liked volcanos edge either

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Lelouch Shroud Slacker Offline What is a moron? A person playing ddo Posts: 1073 Joined: Apr 19^th, 2014	Re: Idea, need smart/nonlazy people- bout shurikens Reply #56 - May 14^th, 2014 at 3:12am	Print Post
	Always the option to drop monk and go club or smthn, but theres no freaking way il ever do that, tho hmm. How would a bard with druid be. Would need to splash rogue for evasion hmm. Dont like the concept, tho Swashbuckler has that silly 12 to reflex in tier 5 core. Would be feat starved, something like 9 druid 8 bard 3 rogue. Why im sugesting this stupid idea is cuz i have apsolutely no idea how Swashbuckling would interact with wolf form. If it counts as wraps, theres no benefit and this idea makes no sense, if it would count dependent on weapon you equip when you turn stance on, then you could get some nice benefits. Like shuri gets 2 to threat and 1 multiplifer. + the selfcast displace, rage etc. This idea could only work out if Swashbuckling has some kind of interaction with wolf form, should be able to splash druid bard, thing i didnt mess up the aligment. Loss of stunning fist, but you get nice defenses from new swbuckler tree, if it works the multiplifers, and little bit prr. But, feat starved. Would need human or smthn.
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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4339 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Idea, need smart/nonlazy people- bout shurikens Reply #57 - May 14^th, 2014 at 3:21am	Print Post
	Lelouch wrote on May 14^th, 2014 at 3:12am: Would be feat starved, something like 9 druid 8 bard 3 rogue. 7bard 4rogue: Gain, uncanny dodge (6dodge @ 20), Killer enhancement, BAB stays the same Loss: 1caster level, spell slot (level 3 spells are useful), +1 Inspire Courage

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Lelouch Shroud Slacker Offline What is a moron? A person playing ddo Posts: 1073 Joined: Apr 19^th, 2014	Re: Idea, need smart/nonlazy people- bout shurikens Reply #58 - May 14^th, 2014 at 3:47am	Print Post
	7 bard 4 rogue, yea better in nature, if you got ap to spare, should be ok tho, need only skaldic rage and some thingies from swashbuckling. Oh bdw i never tried harrowing pack with druid, was mainly 3 lfies caster since i was overjoyed with equake being extremely fun in wgu and stuff like that, so my lack of experience with melle wofies might be seen from stupid questions i ask here. Does it make em helpless like balancing atack from primal does? Is duration the same of knock? Linkie to spell http://ddowiki.com/page/Harrowing_Pack Would test myself, but still 2 and half days ban
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Sham Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Random Effects on Named Loot! - No one ever Posts: 685 Location: Siberia Joined: May 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Idea, need smart/nonlazy people- bout shurikens Reply #59 - May 14^th, 2014 at 4:04am	Print Post
	You can't swashbuckle in animal form or so the enhancement clearly says. Feats would be too lacking. Will have to give up too much.
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Lelouch Shroud Slacker Offline What is a moron? A person playing ddo Posts: 1073 Joined: Apr 19^th, 2014	Re: Idea, need smart/nonlazy people- bout shurikens Reply #60 - May 14^th, 2014 at 4:08am	Print Post
	Hm, oh well, would had been a fun idea to mess around. Then i guess a ranger/monk/druid or Rogue/monk/druid if dex based or some fighter/monk/druid or druid/rogue/fighter. Still many options


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Sham Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Random Effects on Named Loot! - No one ever Posts: 685 Location: Siberia Joined: May 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Idea, need smart/nonlazy people- bout shurikens Reply #61 - May 14^th, 2014 at 4:17am	Print Post
	swf gets 2.0 bonus from Str. You want to be str based not dex with enough wis to reliably stun.


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Lelouch Shroud Slacker Offline What is a moron? A person playing ddo Posts: 1073 Joined: Apr 19^th, 2014	Re: Idea, need smart/nonlazy people- bout shurikens Reply #62 - May 14^th, 2014 at 4:32am	Print Post
	It says ability modifer for damage, so if you use monk you could get dex modifer when using shortsword, unless im intepreting it wrong from forum description From the thread: Greater Single Weapon Fighting: Your Single-Weapon Fighting bonus is increased to a +30% Combat Style bonus to attack speed and 100% more of your appropriate ability score to your damage . Basicaly if you use shorsword as a pdk, you could use charisma modifer for that purpose
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Sham Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Random Effects on Named Loot! - No one ever Posts: 685 Location: Siberia Joined: May 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Idea, need smart/nonlazy people- bout shurikens Reply #63 - May 14^th, 2014 at 4:37am	Print Post
	Hmm, you are right. Dex based it is, I like it. Sadly no tensor scrolls in animal form .
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Sham Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Random Effects on Named Loot! - No one ever Posts: 685 Location: Siberia Joined: May 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Idea, need smart/nonlazy people- bout shurikens Reply #64 - May 14^th, 2014 at 4:45am	Print Post
	Do we need to fit in finesse now or is to hit not an issue?
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Lelouch Shroud Slacker Offline What is a moron? A person playing ddo Posts: 1073 Joined: Apr 19^th, 2014	Re: Idea, need smart/nonlazy people- bout shurikens Reply #65 - May 14^th, 2014 at 4:49am	Print Post
	You get both to hit and damage from ninja spy, core lv 1 is hit 3 is damage. Tensers, could use some kind arcane splash for extended tensers heh. Well its annoying to recast tensers as you need to shapeshift, but its doable


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Sham Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Random Effects on Named Loot! - No one ever Posts: 685 Location: Siberia Joined: May 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Idea, need smart/nonlazy people- bout shurikens Reply #66 - May 14^th, 2014 at 4:51am	Print Post
	tensors isn't worth that much ap and heavy wiz/sorc splash. Refreshing tensor's every minute and jumping in and out of wolf form will get seriously annoying, not to mention the lag.
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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Idea, need smart/nonlazy people- bout shurikens Reply #67 - May 14^th, 2014 at 6:03am	Print Post
	Decided on this for my 3rd monk and 3rd pdk past life. 9 druid/ 9 monk/ 2 fighter 16 str 14 dex 16 con 8 int 16 wis 8 cha 1 (Fighter) Feat: (Human Bonus) Cleave Feat: (Selected)SWF requires balance skill 2 ranks Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Power Attack Level 2 (Druid) Level 3 (Druid) Feat: (Selected) Two Weapon Fighting Feat: (Druid Wild Shape) Wild Shape: Wolf Level 4 (Druid) Level 5 (Druid) Level 6 (Druid) Feat: (Selected) Great Cleave Feat: (Druid Wild Shape) Wild Shape: Bear Level 7 (Druid) Level 8 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Stunning Fist Level 9 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Deflect Arrows / or Dodge Feat: (Selected) Empower Healing Spell ISWF if it becomes a martial arts feat i can place it over deflect arrows. requires 6 BAB and 4 ranks of balance Level 10 (Druid) Level 11 (Druid) Feat: (Druid Wild Shape) Wild Shape: Winter Wolf Level 12 (Druid) Feat: (Selected) Natural Fighting Level 13 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Path) Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light Level 14 (Monk) Level 15 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting Level 16 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) GSWF 7 ranks of balance 11 BAB Level 17 (Monk) Level 18 (Monk) Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons Level 19 (Monk) Level 20 (Fighter) Feat: (Fighter Bonus) Greater Two Weapon Fighting Level 21 (Epic) Feat: (Selected) Epic: Overwhelming Critical Level 22 (Epic) Level 23 (Epic) Level 24 (Epic) Feat: (Selected) Master of Forms Level 25 (Epic) Level 26 (Epic) Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting Level 27 (Epic) Feat: (Selected) Natural Fighting Level 28 (Epic) Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Forced Escape I will not be going dex based due to OC line, and Stun Fist feats. 2 levels up in Str and the rest into wisdom.� Really depends on what you want out of the build or past lives. Single weapon fighting line is easy enough to pick up for anything with enough free feats. A lot of options. Even 2 druid is good because it still gets the 30% attack speed and works with most weapon fighting types.
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	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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�ed Dragon Raider Offline WTB Souls, PST Posts: 227 Joined: May 8^th, 2012	Re: Idea, need smart/nonlazy people- bout shurikens Reply #68 - May 18^th, 2014 at 12:27pm	Print Post
	I am very interested in your DS breakdown, could you please elaborate ? Quote: 18 + 20 + 9 + 15 + 30 + 8 = 100% doublestrike. I am assuming the following, please let me know if i have this wrong. 18 - NF (Unique) 20 - Killer 4stack ? (Morale) 9 -� Past lives ? (was this never fixed to be 10% ? I thought it was a display bug only...) 15 - Lightning Mace 15% 6s on crit ? (Enhancement) 30 - Action Boost ? 20s with 30s CD 8 - Skirmisher bracer ? (Morale also, killer would only give +12 ?) Mo, i'm not sure how your mobs are alive long enough to use stunning fist... Usually takes me 3 hits to take something out. On squishy wolves... if you build a toon with the defences of paper mache, then survivability will always be a problem, as with any other build. I was thinking of switching out all of my NF (18% DS) for SWF (30% Atk), but is 30% more speed worth losing all of my doublestrike, PRR and AC ? I have to think outside of the box on this one. Admittedly, this looks seriously cool for a pure dps roadkill druid.
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Vendui Releaser Of Exploits Offline Dare to tempt your fates? Everything has a price. Posts: 2492 Location: Central WI Joined: Oct 31^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: Idea, need smart/nonlazy people- bout shurikens Reply #69 - May 18^th, 2014 at 6:54pm	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on May 12^th, 2014 at 8:16am: Steelstar already specifically mentioned that single weapon fighting won't work with throwers. Which is Hilarious.. considering Swashbuckler gets a few decent bonuses to said Throwers xD


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Sham Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Random Effects on Named Loot! - No one ever Posts: 685 Location: Siberia Joined: May 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Idea, need smart/nonlazy people- bout shurikens Reply #70 - May 18^th, 2014 at 7:01pm	Print Post
	So I checked on lama land. SWF doesn't work with shurikens in wolf form either. Why i thought it would, no idea.
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Vendui Releaser Of Exploits Offline Dare to tempt your fates? Everything has a price. Posts: 2492 Location: Central WI Joined: Oct 31^st, 2013 Gender:	Re: Idea, need smart/nonlazy people- bout shurikens Reply #71 - May 18^th, 2014 at 7:49pm	Print Post
	Sham wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 7:01pm: So I checked on lama land. SWF doesn't work with shurikens in wolf form either. Why i thought it would, no idea. Doesnt affect Bows either.. so there goes my Swashy AA ideas... though... if Coupe De Grace stays as is... so will my build, but ill dump SWF for.. soemthing..


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Sham Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Random Effects on Named Loot! - No one ever Posts: 685 Location: Siberia Joined: May 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Idea, need smart/nonlazy people- bout shurikens Reply #72 - May 18^th, 2014 at 8:02pm	Print Post
	New doublestrike breakdown Ced. Assuming centered. 18 - NF (Untyped) 20 - Killer - 4 stacks (Morale) 9 -� Past lives - 3% per pl 30 - Action Boost - druid 8 - Skirmisher bracer - description says enhancement 5 - Perfect twf 90% doublestrike If you want: 3 - Grandmaster running with wind 3 - Hail of blows 3 - Draconic ferocity - artifact bonus 99 % doublstrike.
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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4339 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Idea, need smart/nonlazy people- bout shurikens Reply #73 - May 18^th, 2014 at 8:20pm	Print Post
	�ed wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 12:27pm: Mo, i'm not sure how your mobs are alive long enough to use stunning fist... Usually takes me 3 hits to take something out. Killer drops all stacks at once. I like SF as a defensive measure and an offensive one when I need to build stacks back up. Besides, SF is in a monk bonus feat slot, the only feat I could really change SF for is deflect arrows.

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Sham Stormreaver Piker Offline I Love Random Effects on Named Loot! - No one ever Posts: 685 Location: Siberia Joined: May 28^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Idea, need smart/nonlazy people- bout shurikens Reply #74 - May 18^th, 2014 at 10:32pm	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on May 18^th, 2014 at 8:20pm: Killer drops all stacks at once.� I like SF as a defensive measure and an offensive one when I need to build stacks back up. Besides, SF is in a monk bonus feat slot, the only feat I could really change SF for is deflect arrows. Fatal harrier and killer both drop all stacks at once. However, it isn't really hard to get them back up. At this point I'm teetering between full dps 9 druid/6 monk/5 ranger and more cc 15 druid/4 ranger/1 monk.


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