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barcelot Ex Member	Re: Druid with swf Reply #25 - Jul 10^th, 2014 at 8:28pm	Print Post
	Lelouch wrote on Jul 10^th, 2014 at 8:21pm: Oh 1 more thing i tested is tree from from primal /all know how op that was, right?/ I hoped swf would aply to form as well, but sadly it doesnt Well at least we can gnash our teeth in disappointment at least 30% faster.


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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4363 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Druid with swf Reply #26 - Jul 10^th, 2014 at 10:13pm	Print Post
	Quote: Dude, I said I would let it drop in my post in response to Rubbins, so don't try to passive aggressive troll like a bitch alright? just leave it alone and get back to the thread. Are you always so nice when someone apologizes to you? There aren't many people here who will admit when they're wrong. You're not the first person I've apologized to though, nor are you likely to be the last. No doubt I'll be a dick in the future and be proven wrong again, I'm not above learning, making mistakes, or apologizing for them. I've even apologized to Lelouch when he first started posting here, over a difference of opinion about sorcs. After 4 years of membership, with the vast majority of my 2500 posts being in this subsection, I'm bound to repeat myself. There's a constant turnover of members, and the same questions often get asked. As the game has changed though so have opinions and advice. The one thing I've always tried to avoid doing here is trolling.

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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Druid with swf Reply #27 - Jul 10^th, 2014 at 10:41pm	Print Post
	Didnt know tempest core 2 works in wolf form. I had 15 3mnk 2rg build planned for guildie who wanted druid life. But looks like ranger 3 and 2 monk now for tempest core 2. Mainly 15 druid for empowered+quickened cure, vigor, regen, and heal spell. Druid, SWF, Empower heal Druid, Wild Shape: Wolf Druid, Druid, Druid, Wild Shape: Bear Druid, Quicken Spell Druid, Druid, Wild Shape: Winter Wolf Druid, ISWF Ranger, Favored Enemy: Undead Ranger,Improved Two Weapon Fighting Monk, Power Attack, Monk, Stunning Fist Druid, Druid, Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons, Wild Shape: Dire Bear Druid, Druid, Wild Shape: Fire Elemental Druid, GSWF Druid, Monk, Path of Harmonious Balance: Fists of Light Epic, Greater Two Weapon Fighting Epic, Epic, Epic, Cleave -Need this for LD Lay Waste, Momentum Swing, and Charges Blitz. Epic, Epic, Natural Fighting Epic, Natural Fighting Epic, Natural Fighting

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Lelouch Shroud Slacker Offline What is a moron? A person playing ddo Posts: 1073 Joined: Apr 19^th, 2014	Re: Druid with swf Reply #28 - Jul 10^th, 2014 at 10:48pm	Print Post
	You can use druid wolf strikes as they count as tacticals for charging blitz, i found them to be initialy faster then swaping out of form to use momentum and lay /both of those dont work while in wolf form/ and you can spend aps that you save from mom and lay on better things anyways. Example get a 2ndary damage boost since when you are out of boosts you can use that to get the w from dreadnought. Loss of boosts tho usualy only happens if you decide to solo wgu or are on blitz duty in ee wyrm /and they are hella unlucky with finding the real one. Also the aoe cleave from natur warriors tree charges blitz as well (alpha strike). I went with monk mainly since i relied on the earth stance upgrade /shintao prr/earth stance ac and shadow fade to mitigate alot of incoming damage. By being in e stance alone i get 12 prr, counting 15 from shintao and 15 from upgrade that alone was worthwhile. Also i had around 20-25% miss chance from ac alone, coupled with displace and shadow fade that meant ignoring many ee hits from enemies. And being able to have all ticks of coocon was also nice. That is the reason i went with this particular split, honestly its best mix of offense/defense. I did want to swap monk for fighter, but fighter didnt give me anything attractive to work and synergize with swf, aka no defender stance, only bit dc on st fist and couple more aboosts /wasnt worth it in my textbook. Without the prr, i would say that i wouldnt feel so strong as i felt in that build. Standing toe with toe with ee mobs while smacking em and having several over time heals was the main point of ee/zerg playstyle
	« Last Edit: Jul 10^th, 2014 at 10:56pm by Lelouch »

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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Druid with swf Reply #29 - Jul 10^th, 2014 at 10:52pm	Print Post
	Lelouch wrote on Jul 10^th, 2014 at 10:48pm: You can use druid wolf strikes as they count as tacticals for charging blitz Thanks. Good catch. I've never even looked at those before. They are trips. That frees up power attack and cleave. Might have to rearange the build leveling order to fit in nat fighting earlier and replace the 2 feats with p2wf and holy strikes/first blood. !st blood only because it re-triggers off neg levels. Edit; That may not even be possible because PA was martial feat. Cant even take monk stances as martial. guessing precision and adept forms or free up one epic feat. munk halp!
	« Last Edit: Jul 10^th, 2014 at 10:59pm by Rubbinns »
	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4363 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Druid with swf Reply #30 - Jul 10^th, 2014 at 11:13pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Jul 10^th, 2014 at 10:52pm: That frees up power attack and cleave. Might have to rearange the build leveling order to fit in nat fighting earlier and replace the 2 feats with p2wf and holy strikes/first blood. !st blood only because it re-triggers off neg levels. Edit; That may not even be possible because PA was martial feat. Cant even take monk stances as martial. guessing precision and adept forms or free up one epic feat. munk halp! I'm pretty sure you can't pick up Natural Fighting in Epic Destiny feat slots. I'm not sure precision will be worth it, I don't forsee you missing often on that split, nor is fort that big an issue. On that 15druid split, I'd stick with power attack, and drop cleave for natural fighting. I wouldn't spend a feat on Adept of Forms without spending one more on Master of forms. With the amount of self healing you've got, I'd probably drop empower heal to squeeze in master of forms.
	« Last Edit: Jul 10^th, 2014 at 11:16pm by Munkenmo »
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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Druid with swf Reply #31 - Jul 11^th, 2014 at 2:07am	Print Post
	Thanks Munk. And you too Lelo. Having a hard time with leveling order. i cant really see a way to not have to burn a feat on something like Dodge. I did get master of forms in there. Swapped out cleave and empower heal as you guys suggested. I think it's better overall improvement. Based on +4 tomes. didnt ask if they had 5s. It is going to be an entry buildinto epic elites for guildie. Theyre used to monks so the transition should be easy. Level 28 Lawful Neutral Human Male (2 Monk / 3 Ranger / 15 Druid / 8 Epic) Hit Points: 402 Spell Points: 1417 BAB: 15/15/20/25/25 Fortitude: 20 Reflex: 14 Will: 17 � �� Starting� � Abilities� � Base Stats� � (36 Point)� � (Level 1)� �� Strength� �� 16� �� Dexterity� �� 14� �� Constitution� �� 16� �� Intelligence� �� 8� �� Wisdom� �� 16� �� Charisma� �� 8� �� Level 1 (Monk) Feat: (Human Bonus) Dodge Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack Feat: (Selected) SWF Level 2 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Stunning Fist Level 3 (Druid) Feat: (Selected) Quicken Spell Level 4 (Druid) Feat: (Druid Wild Shape) Wild Shape: Wolf Level 5 (Druid) Level 6 (Druid) Feat: (Selected) Adept of Forms Level 7 (Druid) Feat: (Druid Wild Shape) Wild Shape: Bear Level 8 (Druid) Level 9 (Druid) Feat: (Selected) ISWF Level 10 (Druid) Feat: (Druid Wild Shape) Wild Shape: Winter Wolf Level 11 (Druid) Level 12 (Ranger) Feat: (Favored Enemy) Favored Enemy: Goblinoid Feat: (Selected) Improved Critical: Bludgeoning Weapons Level 13 (Ranger) Level 14 (Druid) Level 15 (Druid) Feat: (Selected) Improved Two Weapon Fighting Feat: (Druid Wild Shape) Wild Shape: Dire Bear Level 16 (Druid) Level 17 (Druid) Feat: (Druid Wild Shape) Wild Shape: Water Elemental Level 18 (Druid) Feat: (Selected) GSWF Level 19 (Druid) Level 20 (Ranger) Level 21 (Epic) Feat: (Selected) G2WF Level 22 (Epic) Level 23 (Epic) Level 24 (Epic) Feat: (Selected) Master of Forms Level 25 (Epic) Level 26 (Epic) Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: Perfect Two Weapon Fighting Level 27 (Epic) Feat: (Selected) Natural Fighting Level 28 (Epic) Feat: (Epic Destiny) Epic Destiny: First Blood
	« Last Edit: Jul 11^th, 2014 at 2:45am by Rubbinns »
	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4363 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Druid with swf Reply #32 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 7:36pm	Print Post
	Rubbinns wrote on Jul 11^th, 2014 at 2:07am: i cant really see a way to not have to burn a feat on something like Dodge Why don't you take druid at level 1, that way you can pick up metamagics. Level 1 (Druid) Feat: (Human Bonus) Empower Heal Feat: (Selected) Quicken Level 2 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Power Attack Level 3 (Druid) Feat: (Selected) Single Weapon Fighting Feat: (Druid Wild Shape) Wild Shape: Wolf Level 4 (Monk) Feat: (Monk Bonus) Stunning Fist After that everything is the same, but you have empower heal instead of dodge. I also think you've over invested in the human tree, I'd stop at 12ap. (core 1, core 2, healing amp 1&2, 3actionboost str, 2actionboost con) spend 2 more AP in natures warrior to pick up: Quote: Essence of the Shrike: Striking a blow focuses your mind and body. When you critically hit an enemy while in any wolf form, you gain [10/20] temporary spell points for 8 seconds. Passive (permanent): +5/+10 Positive Spellpower And 1AP in Deepwood Stalker core 1, for 10pos spell power and +1 sneak attack dice. Imo the extra 20positive spell power and what almost equals infinate spell points is worth losing 10% heal amp, especially now that you have empower heal. Spend the last 2ap on iron fist or shintao core 2&3.� Iron fist will make up will give back the offense you lost from human.� Shintao core's 2&3 will further boost your positive spell power and healing amp, leaving you with more healing amp than had you stuck with the human tree. More than 1rank in hide of the crocodile seems a bit wasteful given it's long cooldown and short duration. I'd probably pick up vengeful hunter twice instead.
	« Last Edit: Jul 12^th, 2014 at 8:01pm by Munkenmo »
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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Druid with swf Reply #33 - Jul 12^th, 2014 at 8:24pm	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 7:36pm: Spend the last 2ap on iron fist or shintao core 2&3.� Iron fist will make up will give back the offense you lost from human.� Shintao core's 2&3 will further boost your positive spell power and healing amp, leaving you with more healing amp than had you stuck with the human tree. Yeah that makes sense. Also Shintao cores are better during leveling for dr breaking. I initially thought human hamp tree because she doesnt have 20 hamp bracers. Or even pdk gloves yet. Keeping dodge so it can hit 27%. This is her last PL needed for completionist and she rarely plays in epics. I wanted a good healing build with enough dps to at least make her survivable. Mostly because her lack of displace clickies is going to be a bitch. I dont think she even has EDs capped yet o0 Munkenmo wrote on Jul 12^th, 2014 at 7:36pm: More than 1rank in hide of the crocodile seems a bit wasteful given it's long cooldown and short duration.� I'd probably pick up vengeful hunter twice instead Thanks. i didnt look into it as much as i should have. Also not picking up alpha strike feels like a mistake to me.

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Ioun Dragon Raider Offline Daddy don't hurt me. Posts: 205 Joined: Jun 3^rd, 2014 Gender:	Re: Druid with swf Reply #34 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 9:38am	Print Post
	Thanks for everyone who has been posting about this build. I initially had planned on TRing into a totally different build for my final fighter PL but this just seems like it will be a total blast to play and I have 0 druid PLs. I normally don't spend too much time in epic levels, most of the time TRing at 25/26. This build however makes me want to keep it at 28. I should hit 20 today, allowing me to mess with the build a bit and try some different things.
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tachyon Titan Demolisher Offline Posts: 369 Joined: Jun 28^th, 2013	Re: Druid with swf Reply #35 - Jul 14^th, 2014 at 4:17pm	Print Post
	If you know what I'm talking about, I personally think Devourer's Reaping is the new best weapon for a melee druid right now.


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rest One Man Wolfpack Offline Posts: 7223 Joined: Aug 13^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Druid with swf Reply #36 - Jul 15^th, 2014 at 7:03pm	Print Post
	quiet you fool


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Justanotherlurker Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 384 Joined: Jun 20^th, 2014	Re: Druid with swf Reply #37 - Jul 15^th, 2014 at 7:47pm	Print Post
	Which weapons is everyone levelling with? I assume GS (Lit2) for 12-23 but what else?


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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4363 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Druid with swf Reply #38 - Jul 15^th, 2014 at 8:40pm	Print Post
	Justanotherlurker wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 7:47pm: Which weapons is everyone levelling with? I assume GS (Lit2) for 12-23 but what else? lit 2 onhand, 6str healing amp healing amp con op off hand. Pastlifenmo has a decent levelling gear layout.
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Rubbinns The Undeserving Fuckwit Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 10460 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2013	Re: Druid with swf Reply #39 - Jul 15^th, 2014 at 8:47pm	Print Post
	Justanotherlurker wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 7:47pm: Which weapons is everyone levelling with? I assume GS (Lit2) for 12-23 but what else? Depends what you have access to. I use d random gen last life for swashbuckler in heroics. Probably will do so again for my ranger wolf life. Epics I have House c rapier at 20, Drow Shortsword stun at 21, Agony at 23, e3bc rapier at 24, Rebellion at 25. Wish I had Heroic Treason. Expanded crit range SS 18-20, deception. Mostly to showoff ;p

	Mockduck wrote on Aug 30^th, 2010 at 2:20pm: I don't think naming names would be a good thing for me to do, but I'd pretty much add anyone who's a know-it-all dick on the list.� Even if they are sometimes intelligent with their opinions, the way they state them in long, "i'm a lawyer at trial"-type posts makes me want to punch them in the face.� They act like whiney babies with god complexes and then freak out if someone so much as breathes criticism in their direction.
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Shadehater Dropbear Awareness Society Offline Smite Stupid! Posts: 2174 Joined: May 6^th, 2012	Re: Druid with swf Reply #40 - Jul 15^th, 2014 at 11:50pm	Print Post
	Flintan's Blade till 6 then Luck Blade till 14 then Razorend till 20 then Cove Scimitar till 23-24 Balizarde/eBC sickle/Rebellion are top choices at this point.


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Justanotherlurker Titan Demolisher Offline I Love Drama! Posts: 384 Joined: Jun 20^th, 2014	Re: Druid with swf Reply #41 - Jul 16^th, 2014 at 6:57am	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Jul 15^th, 2014 at 8:40pm: lit 2 onhand, 6str healing amp healing amp con op off hand. Pastlifenmo has a decent levelling gear layout. Thanks Munk Im familiar with Pastlifenmo (been lurking on and off for a number of years) I thought that I would need to wield a shortsword/Kama in MH only to benefit from swf & twf and to remain centered? If so that cuts down a lot of my normal levelling weapons. Ill probably craft up a Lit2 and use lootgen mostly - dont think its worth using a raiders box for celestia


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Ioun Dragon Raider Offline Daddy don't hurt me. Posts: 205 Joined: Jun 3^rd, 2014 Gender:	Re: Druid with swf Reply #42 - Jul 16^th, 2014 at 7:35am	Print Post
	Justanotherlurker wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 6:57am: Thanks Munk Im familiar with Pastlifenmo (been lurking on and off for a number of years) I thought that I would need to wield a shortsword/Kama in MH only to benefit from swf & twf and to remain centered? If so that cuts down a lot of my normal levelling weapons. Ill probably craft up a Lit2 and use lootgen mostly - dont think its worth using a raiders box for celestia I have the same question. Was wondering if it's best to stick with a short sword/Kama for staying centered, or just use any 1h weapon. Would like to know because I need to spend these duped gs mats on some things before my bags become completely full and this would help with that.


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Lelouch Shroud Slacker Offline What is a moron? A person playing ddo Posts: 1073 Joined: Apr 19^th, 2014	Re: Druid with swf Reply #43 - Jul 16^th, 2014 at 8:01am	Print Post
	To people that are new to wolfs, will suggest to get a sun flask /those thingies from mabar, as you can use it at lv1, it does massive damage in lowbie levels, can keep it all the way up to after done with necro2 since it makes your damage light damage and has gtouch. Its a quite nice item for low levels and demolishes necro 1/2/deleras where you get most xp anyways. At mid level it doesnt matter what you use, gsteel env blades, challenges ss /house c/ whatever, lv 20 alchemical epic envenomed, turn in from evening ss, 23 i prefer celestia and keep it til 28 since its massive blind/aoe, but sometimes i swap to t1 /2 thforged, also 3bc sickle is ok option. As im playing a sorc atm, i really love people are enjoying this as much as i did. It is really powerful.
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Ioun Dragon Raider Offline Daddy don't hurt me. Posts: 205 Joined: Jun 3^rd, 2014 Gender:	Re: Druid with swf Reply #44 - Jul 16^th, 2014 at 8:44am	Print Post
	Indeed, having a fun time leveling him so far. Bosses are such a breeze, also enjoy having more killing blows than wind-stance monks, as well as the rest of the group by a ton.
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tachyon Titan Demolisher Offline Posts: 369 Joined: Jun 28^th, 2013	Re: Druid with swf Reply #45 - Jul 16^th, 2014 at 10:08am	Print Post
	Lelouch wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 8:01am: To people that are new to wolfs, will suggest to get a sun flask /those thingies from mabar, as you can use it at lv1, it does massive damage in lowbie levels, can keep it all the way up to after done with necro2 since it makes your damage light damage and has gtouch. Its a quite nice item for low levels and demolishes necro 1/2/deleras where you get most xp anyways. At mid level it doesnt matter what you use, gsteel env blades, challenges ss /house c/ whatever, lv 20 alchemical epic envenomed, turn in from evening ss, 23 i prefer celestia and keep it til 28 since its massive blind/aoe, but sometimes i swap to t1 /2 thforged, also 3bc sickle is ok option. As im playing a sorc atm, i really love people are enjoying this as much as i did. It is really powerful. There is more massive damage to be done at lowbie levels than that....


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Ioun Dragon Raider Offline Daddy don't hurt me. Posts: 205 Joined: Jun 3^rd, 2014 Gender:	Re: Druid with swf Reply #46 - Jul 16^th, 2014 at 11:00am	Print Post
	tachyon wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 10:08am: There is more massive damage to be done at lowbie levels than that....� What would that be, exactly? Would love to know


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Lelouch Shroud Slacker Offline What is a moron? A person playing ddo Posts: 1073 Joined: Apr 19^th, 2014	Re: Druid with swf Reply #47 - Jul 16^th, 2014 at 1:11pm	Print Post
	tachyon wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 10:08am: There is more massive damage to be done at lowbie levels than that....� Is pointed out in what i said hehe. But yea i know /i like fair play in the end, am to scared from bans so i dont dupe n all that /: They even banned me without doing anything and you know.. When you spend over 5-6 years on working on your character you get how george carlin said it nicely, pussyficated


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Munkenmo Epic Poster Offline Posts: 4363 Location: A land under down under Joined: Nov 10^th, 2010	Re: Druid with swf Reply #48 - Jul 16^th, 2014 at 2:29pm	Print Post
	Justanotherlurker wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 6:57am: Thanks Munk Im familiar with Pastlifenmo (been lurking on and off for a number of years) I thought that I would need to wield a shortsword/Kama in MH only to benefit from swf & twf and to remain centered? I've found in the heroic levels that 2wf is all the dps i need, and since I don't yet have rejuv cocoon the healing amp kama definately worth equipping. In epics I'd resort to one weapon.

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tachyon Titan Demolisher Offline Posts: 369 Joined: Jun 28^th, 2013	Re: Druid with swf Reply #49 - Jul 16^th, 2014 at 11:04pm	Print Post
	Munkenmo wrote on Jul 16^th, 2014 at 2:29pm: I've found in the heroic levels that 2wf is all the dps i need, and since I don't yet have rejuv cocoon the healing amp kama definately worth equipping. In epics I'd resort to one weapon. swf was overkill in heroic.


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