Lelouch wrote on Jul 25
th, 2014 at 12:07pm:
Im just wondering, is there something hidden to wizzy or is it really just for tensors? I see only eldritch stance and feats and nothn else.
Your artie version also has lets say perma tensors, but at least offers smthn with runearm. I tried long time ago on lama a dumb 2 artie 12 monk 6 ranger shuri build and i was highly impressed by tovens proc rate.
If im for example a desperate tensors scroll user, then only 5 wizzy levels offer nothing compared to ranger as example, is that correct?
Would really like if you could elaborate the wizz split to me
Not to go into a conflict, so dont take it the wrong way, i liked steels version dread ninja since it gives you massive incorpo and stacking 2 dex, the 5 wiz version for me offers nothing you cant do with a spell or a scroll of tensors, so would be happy if you would explain to me why 5.
Since if i get rid of the tensors perma or cast i see way better splits for shuri builds
No worries, I don't mind questions. There may be splits that are better, but no one is posting them or convincing me. As I said, I like the Dread Ninja build a lot, and I take some founders credit for inspiring the build. I have a primarily Wizard shuriken thrower alt, but it focuses on CC'ing with Shurikens and is primarily a Shiradi nuker, the Dread Ninja was quite original. But it's not the highest DPS, or even close by my calculations. I have spreadsheets and spreadsheets. It is however, one of the better defensively minded builds for throwing. Great self heals, a little CC with casting if you want, and full time 25% incorp. Kudos to that build on D.
This was talked about ad nauseum in my other build thread here and on the shithole DDO forums, but to summarize:
Tensers: +4 Dex, +4 Con, Full BaB bonus for Throwing Speed (roughly equivalent to self haste Haste, stacks with all other forms of throwing speed). This is the #1 Reason for wizard. Full Time Tensers. Also, bonus feats for Extend and Quicken/MT. This build loves SP. I don't know who Steele is, unless you mean Psykoozi on the shithole DDO forums. I also really like his build, and told him so. But there are some problems. I just don't believe that adding self healing with only 12 or 11 levels of Wizard, AND self-casting Haste, Displace, and Tensers that guy isn't chugging pots on longer quests and in Raids. If he isn't, good for him. But in my experience, he would be. Also the incorp isn't massive, it's 25% vs 10% Ghostly on a build that stays far away from combat and rarely ever takes physical damage. More importantly, I run in SD a lot, with 25% incorp, but my DPS is higher from not having 12 Wizard levels, and having 9 Rogue levels for SA damage.
What else does Wizard 5 Give? A lot.
10 PRR
10% AC
+3 Damage Before Crits (3 stacking Seeker)
1-6 Elemental Imbue
15HP
2 Dex
Arcane Barrier which is actually quite nice defensively, partially making up for no 25% incorp.
All that plus being able to ALWAYS have Tensers up SP free is really powerful. What exactly about ranger is better than that? Sniper Shot is great, real world it's about 5% DPS increase, far less than the 4 Dex from Tensers, let alone the speed increase. A couple SA dice in Sniper are nice too, but achievable elsewhere as you only have so many AP. You get feats from Ranger, but I already have the feats I need. Deflect Arrows and Tempest is a great combo, I dont have the feats for it on this build.
Regarding my Arty split in these forums: it's very powerful. With Halfling enhancements working, and with that build have OCrit, physical damage has become a lot more important to Shuriken throwers. Also, having Glasscannon off handed, or as you mention Tovens, which is amazing, adds around 18 damage per star for Tovens, or about 20 Damage per shot with Glass Cannon lvl 24. For mobs immune to those damage types, First Blood gives a hefty 15% DShot. It can also self cast Tensers, not perma, but it's self cast for almost 3 minutes a pop, with plenty of SP to spare, so it's basically perma. I would only scroll if I was outta SP or trying to save for some reason.
I've played Shuri builds with and Without Tensers, and you can feel the difference in power with and without it. 4 Dex, 4 Con, and full BaB throwing speed is very noticeable on any build.