Here's the other build I've been working on. I'm bored with my cetus copy (not exact copy, since she's not completionist and doesn't have all +5 tomes), and I would like to TR her into an iconic handwraps fighter. The idea like with the other one is to do some eTR's, then TR again when I feel bored with the build.

lawful good pdk female 12 fighter/ 8 monk
heroic pls: monk x2, barbarian, fighter
epic pls: doublestrike x2
starting stats: str 18, dex 14, con 16, int 10, wis 10, cha 8
tomes used: +5 con, +4 str, dex, wis, rest +3

Feats:
PA
Cleave
Toughness
Stunning fist
Dodge
TWF
Light path
Great cleave
Mobility
Spring attack
IC: bludgeoning
Combat expertise
Master of forms
Improved TWF
Past life: disciple of the fist (filler feat, sort of)
Grandmaster of forms
Greater TWF
Whirlwind attack
OC
Epic toughness
Perfect TWF
Blinding Speed
First Blood

And her's the latest version of the enhancements:


I also posted the build on the ddo forums here: https://www.ddo.com/forums/showthread.php/448739-Handwraps-fighter

All good points from Munk.

Considering you'll be using SF you definitely want to pick up No Mercy from ninja spy tree (and some more SA damage on the way up there). Power surge is nice but not nearly as good and not worth the AP and heavy levels in fighter.

What I'd suggest is first option 9 monk (Imp evasion) 9 fighter 2 Pali.
Pro's would be:
imp evasion, cha to saves, DM and ability to decide between fighter pl or monk pl (9/9/2 f/m/p will give you a fighter pl and 8/9/3 or 8/10/2 will give you a monk pl of course).
Con's would be:
need to spend a twist (bane of undead) in order to use DM, no empower heal.

2ed option 9 monk/10 fighter/1 fvs
Pro's would be:
Imp evasion, DM without twisting bane of undeath, empower heal, 1 more feat from fighter.
Cons would be:
No cha to saves, can still choose between fighter and monk pl but at the cost of a feat.

I need to think about this, and discuss this with friend.

But "some ranged dps" I don't agree with. My cetus has "some" ranged dps and to me is so shitty that it's like having none at all. Might be that I don't play her right, but I don't see higher numbers than just over 600 crits with manyshot and boosts... so  even though I play with the bow once in a while it feels like it's more for show than for killing stuff.

Note that lvl 28 is also rather moot, cause I won't play my builds at cap, not much anyway.

Munkenmo wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 6:58am:

fixed, no need to thank me

Rubbinns wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 7:11am:


I knew there something that somebody told me about whirwind attacks that i liked a lot, now I remember who and what 

Rubbinns wrote on Sep 18^th, 2014 at 7:11am:


Whirlwind is awesome on a HW user, crap for anything else.
Never seen it generate more than 5 hits though.

Rubbinns wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 5:54am:


My whirlwind monk is rather recent. I suspect whatever u21 broke was fixed since then (at least regarding whirlwind attack). Still it's a fantastic attack (again for HW only).

Off topic question, but you guys may know...does Violence Begets Violence work with centered weapons (Kama, quarterstaff, shortsword)?  I know I've had it work with bows before....

Rubbinns wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 11:07am:

I'm obviously missing something here...

wow, you managed to merge the old system and the new system.  If it worked like how you think unarmed monks would be undisputed top dps.

Here I'll use your own quote to help you out.

This is how it works now:

Red Sox H8 Yankees wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 5:10pm:



Your numbers are wrong, but this is how it used to work before the +[w] pass :

Red Sox H8 Yankees wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 5:10pm:


From what I remember monk progression used to be  1d6 > 1d8 > 1d10 > 2d6 > 2d8 > 2d10 
monk pastlife feat could improve that to 2d12 
jidz tet ka in earth could improve that to 2d14. (excluding animal forms) 2d14 was the maximum possible unarmed damage before the era of +w 

The two systems do not co-exist. I'll stand by my claim that 20monk is a waste of time for people playing in EE.  16monk is the sweet spot.

NOTdarth wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 2:50pm:


Sprint boost and twf.
Though 2 Pali is more popular.

Munkenmo wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 6:20pm:

Blame ddowiki and the mother forum link.  Just trying to shed some light.  Basic idea is still valid.

SayWhatAgain wrote on Sep 19^th, 2014 at 7:13pm:

On Lama currently Strikedown does nothing with monk unarmed attacks. Actual nothing. Nice job Sev.